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      07-31-2014, 01:38 AM   #1
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Going to go in for a pro tune pretty soon. Car will be fbo and meth by that time. Anyone have any horsepower numbers that i should be expecting? Even if you got dyno numbers without a pro tune, just want to see what i should be expecting. Has to be awhp obv.
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What type of dyno?

On a dynojet I made 350/390 with Cobb Stage 2+ Aggressive. This was also on winter tires which supposedly impose a 10-20 hp/tq penalty.

I recently got protuned on a dynocomp and the numbers were drastically different. My baseline (Cobb Stage 2+ Aggressive) was 422/416 and after the tune(pump gas no meth or E) it made 430/455. Obviously my car did not suddenly become 70 hp stronger so my main point is that your results will vary.

Having said that, on a dynojet with an xdrive car you should conservatively see around 420 hp and somewhere around 460 tq with a protune and meth.
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What type of dyno?

On a dynojet I made 350/390 with Cobb Stage 2+ Aggressive. This was also on winter tires which supposedly impose a 10-20 hp/tq penalty.

I recently got protuned on a dynocomp and the numbers were drastically different. My baseline (Cobb Stage 2+ Aggressive) was 422/416 and after the tune(pump gas no meth or E) it made 430/455. Obviously my car did not suddenly become 70 hp stronger so my main point is that your results will vary.

Having said that, on a dynojet with an xdrive car you should conservatively see around 420 hp and somewhere around 460 tq with a protune and meth.
oh no i understand what your saying. I wanted to see what others were putting down on all types of dynos . Im not sure what type of dyno that shop uses since I never asked my sponsor shop. 422/416 does seem pretty high on a xi with no meth. I talked to brentuning a couple months ago and he told me with meth you should see 420-440 awhp. He personally had a xi and thats what he put down on his own dyno with his own pro tune. Also around 460-480 tq. But numbers will always vary, just want to see what others are getting before or after a pro tune .
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really want to dyno mine im FBO with an e40 mix of e85 im assuming i have to be at least at 400AWHP but im at altitude so idk
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A FBO xdrive on pump gas should put you around the 350-360 awhp mark for a base tune, depending on which type of dyno your car is tested on. I imagine a protune should see you closer to 370, and adding meth or E85 will see getting 400-420 I would imagine. I'm really just guessing at this point. Check out RWD dynos and just subtract 20ish horsepower?

Keep us updated when you get the car tested. Will you be going to the meet this Sunday?
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Bren got me 380hp 414tq pretty much fbo but without an aftermarket exhaust and without meth on his mustang dyno two months ago so you should deff get past 4 with meth and still being awd. Brens a great dude who does amazing work if you decide to let him tune it.
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A FBO xdrive on pump gas should put you around the 350-360 awhp mark for a base tune, depending on which type of dyno your car is tested on. I imagine a protune should see you closer to 370, and adding meth or E85 will see getting 400-420 I would imagine. I'm really just guessing at this point. Check out RWD dynos and just subtract 20ish horsepower?

Keep us updated when you get the car tested. Will you be going to the meet this Sunday?
I deff will keep you guys posted on how much I put down on my pro tune. Hope it's around 420awhp 460 tq. And yes sir car is ready so I'll be there Sunday
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Bren got me 380hp 414tq pretty much fbo but without an aftermarket exhaust and without meth on his mustang dyno two months ago so you should deff get past 4 with meth and still being awd. Brens a great dude who does amazing work if you decide to let him tune it.
I will be getting my exhaust this Tuesday so I hope that helps me get about 400 before even adding meth. Hoping to see 420-440 just like his personal 335xi that he owned with meth. Deff sounded like a good guy to deal with when I got in contact with him. I think my shop is going to use a personal guy to protune though. If that changes I'll deff make a stop in for brentuning
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exactly what I'm trying to see with meth. Since its way to much work to get race gas around here
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Dyno of my FBO e92 335xi
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exactly what I'm trying to see with meth. Since its way to much work to get race gas around here
Had RBs installed a few weeks ago, can't wait to get back on the dyno and get the car dialed in
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Dyno of my FBO e92 335xi
E40-ish map done by Jake@PTF
exactly what I'm trying to see with meth. Since its way to much work to get race gas around here
Had RBs installed a few weeks ago, can't wait to get back on the dyno and get the car dialed in
Ha good with that. Deff jealous lol I'm half and half over rbs or waiting for the single turbo kit for the xi
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Nice! Did you have to install an inline fuel pump?

I have been thinking about using some E85, but need DP's first. I heard they are a PIA to install without a lift.
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Nice! Did you have to install an inline fuel pump?

I have been thinking about using some E85, but need DP's first. I heard they are a PIA to install without a lift.
Initially I did not have the upgraded pump, but I ran a few logs and my OEM LPF was dipping into the low 40s and crashing my HPF.

I contacted and bought a premade kit from SteveAZ, new oem pump w. Inline 255 pre installed. Took me about 40 minutes to do, it was truly plug and play.
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Bren got me 380hp 414tq pretty much fbo but without an aftermarket exhaust and without meth on his mustang dyno two months ago so you should deff get past 4 with meth and still being awd. Brens a great dude who does amazing work if you decide to let him tune it.
I will be getting my exhaust this Tuesday so I hope that helps me get about 400 before even adding meth. Hoping to see 420-440 just like his personal 335xi that he owned with meth. Deff sounded like a good guy to deal with when I got in contact with him. I think my shop is going to use a personal guy to protune though. If that changes I'll deff make a stop in for brentuning
What exhaust are you going with ? I was thinking of doing the oem muffler mod for my car
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This is off topic but can anyone give me an idea what maybe happening to my car I don't get any codes or long cranks but when I check the hpfp psi with my Cobb it dips to 650 psi and I believe it's suppose to stay around 725 psi if im correct
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Dyno of my FBO e92 335xi
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Nice! Did you have to install an inline fuel pump?

I have been thinking about using some E85, but need DP's first. I heard they are a PIA to install without a lift.
Initially I did not have the upgraded pump, but I ran a few logs and my OEM LPF was dipping into the low 40s and crashing my HPF.

I contacted and bought a premade kit from SteveAZ, new oem pump w. Inline 255 pre installed. Took me about 40 minutes to do, it was truly plug and play.
So if I want to run e85 in my car all I will need is steveaz kit and how much e85 can I run with the kit ?
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Bren got me 380hp 414tq pretty much fbo but without an aftermarket exhaust and without meth on his mustang dyno two months ago so you should deff get past 4 with meth and still being awd. Brens a great dude who does amazing work if you decide to let him tune it.
I will be getting my exhaust this Tuesday so I hope that helps me get about 400 before even adding meth. Hoping to see 420-440 just like his personal 335xi that he owned with meth. Deff sounded like a good guy to deal with when I got in contact with him. I think my shop is going to use a personal guy to protune though. If that changes I'll deff make a stop in for brentuning
What exhaust are you going with ? I was thinking of doing the oem muffler mod for my car
Just picked up a vrsf for cheap from someone on here since people said it sounds nice .
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How much is Steveaz kit? And what's the benefit of a protune?
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Dyno of my FBO e92 335xi
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Nice! Did you have to install an inline fuel pump?

I have been thinking about using some E85, but need DP's first. I heard they are a PIA to install without a lift.
Initially I did not have the upgraded pump, but I ran a few logs and my OEM LPF was dipping into the low 40s and crashing my HPF.

I contacted and bought a premade kit from SteveAZ, new oem pump w. Inline 255 pre installed. Took me about 40 minutes to do, it was truly plug and play.
So if I want to run e85 in my car all I will need is steveaz kit and how much e85 can I run with the kit ?
I'd start off trying e30ish, and log your car and see how it likes it. What do you use tune wise? Keep an eye on your LPF psi/hpf. If everything looks ok, you may not need to upgrade.

Like I mentioned my stock one didn't even like e30, and I wanted to run more than e25-30 down the line.

With my current setup, general consensus is it should be able to handle e60-ish no worries.
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Dyno of my FBO e92 335xi
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Nice! Did you have to install an inline fuel pump?

I have been thinking about using some E85, but need DP's first. I heard they are a PIA to install without a lift.
Initially I did not have the upgraded pump, but I ran a few logs and my OEM LPF was dipping into the low 40s and crashing my HPF.

I contacted and bought a premade kit from SteveAZ, new oem pump w. Inline 255 pre installed. Took me about 40 minutes to do, it was truly plug and play.
So if I want to run e85 in my car all I will need is steveaz kit and how much e85 can I run with the kit ?
I'd start off trying e30ish, and log your car and see how it likes it. What do you use tune wise? Keep an eye on your LPF psi/hpf. If everything looks ok, you may not need to upgrade.

Like I mentioned my stock one didn't even like e30, and I wanted to run more than e25-30 down the line.

With my current setup, general consensus is it should be able to handle e60-ish no worries.
I'm running Cobb and when I check my lpfp with it it's running strong but my hpfp dips when I monitor it through the Cobb
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Dyno of my FBO e92 335xi
E40-ish map done by Jake@PTF

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Nice! Did you have to install an inline fuel pump?

I have been thinking about using some E85, but need DP's first. I heard they are a PIA to install without a lift.
Initially I did not have the upgraded pump, but I ran a few logs and my OEM LPF was dipping into the low 40s and crashing my HPF.

I contacted and bought a premade kit from SteveAZ, new oem pump w. Inline 255 pre installed. Took me about 40 minutes to do, it was truly plug and play.
So if I want to run e85 in my car all I will need is steveaz kit and how much e85 can I run with the kit ?
I'd start off trying e30ish, and log your car and see how it likes it. What do you use tune wise? Keep an eye on your LPF psi/hpf. If everything looks ok, you may not need to upgrade.

Like I mentioned my stock one didn't even like e30, and I wanted to run more than e25-30 down the line.

With my current setup, general consensus is it should be able to handle e60-ish no worries.
I'm running Cobb and when I check my lpfp with it it's running strong but my hpfp dips when I monitor it through the Cobb
Take some logs @ WOT, and either pull it up in datazap or in excel and scroll through both the hpf psi and lpf throughout the RPM range and see what both are doing
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