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      09-30-2014, 10:36 AM   #1
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Pure stage 1 turbo intalled!!!

My wait is finally over! i got my car last night, first thing i noticed when i started it was the difference in sound. it is a lot deeper now. got on the road and for about 40 miles on my trip home i couldnt even gas it at all cause there was way to much traffic.

finally get to the road by my house where you can pin it in first and second cause there are never any cars around. i had the car on map 5 i am FBO but all i have in the tank is 91 oct right now. I did notice a slight loss in power down low but holy crap does it make it all worth it when you get to the upper rpms! it felt amazing to be able to have it wrapped out and still pulling to red line

i got my flex fuel wires in yesterday so i am going to install them today and put 50% e85 in my car. i am really excited cause i could feel a pretty good diff even with 3 gallons of e85 on my stock turbo i cant even imagine what almost 8 gallons with my new turbo will feel like!

hopefully this weekend i will be able to get together with some forum members and get me all setup with map 6. once i get some logs i will post them up and i plan on going to the track this friday so i will post up some slips.

Oh and i would like to personally thank Chuck at Pure turbos for staying almost 2 hours after closing to wait for me and give me my car last night! thanks man!
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      09-30-2014, 11:44 AM   #2
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My wait is finally over! i got my car last night, first thing i noticed when i started it was the difference in sound. it is a lot deeper now. got on the road and for about 40 miles on my trip home i couldnt even gas it at all cause there was way to much traffic.

finally get to the road by my house where you can pin it in first and second cause there are never any cars around. i had the car on map 5 i am FBO but all i have in the tank is 91 oct right now. I did notice a slight loss in power down low but holy crap does it make it all worth it when you get to the upper rpms! it felt amazing to be able to have it wrapped out and still pulling to red line

i got my flex fuel wires in yesterday so i am going to install them today and put 50% e85 in my car. i am really excited cause i could feel a pretty good diff even with 3 gallons of e85 on my stock turbo i cant even imagine what almost 8 gallons with my new turbo will feel like!

hopefully this weekend i will be able to get together with some forum members and get me all setup with map 6. once i get some logs i will post them up and i plan on going to the track this friday so i will post up some slips.

Oh and i would like to personally thank Chuck at Pure turbos for staying almost 2 hours after closing to wait for me and give me my car last night! thanks man!
That is so sick man, congrats! But you can also use e85 right?
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      09-30-2014, 01:06 PM   #3
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That is so sick man, congrats! But you can also use e85 right?
yeah man its not gonna be a problem. iam just going to install my flex fuel wires today then go get some e85. only diff between having the wires and not is the amount of e85 i can use. more =
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What "flex fuel wires" are you referring to? Are you upgrading your fuel lines? Are you planning on running e85 with stock fuel pumps? I would make sure you watch your lpfp pressures if you don't have another lpfp like SteveAZ's stage 1 kit, make sure you don't have consistent drops. Some stock systems can handle it, others struggle above e30.
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      09-30-2014, 02:53 PM   #5
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What "flex fuel wires" are you referring to? Are you upgrading your fuel lines? Are you planning on running e85 with stock fuel pumps? I would make sure you watch your lpfp pressures if you don't have another lpfp like SteveAZ's stage 1 kit, make sure you don't have consistent drops. Some stock systems can handle it, others struggle above e30.
yeah iam gonna keep my eye on my logs like crazy for at least a few weeks to make sure everything is going good. hopefully my stock pump can handle it but if not ill probably get a SteveAZ fuel kit. do you happen to know how much e85 you can run with his stage one in line or stage two bucket? im hoping to be able to run 50% with my stock pump...
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What "flex fuel wires" are you referring to? Are you upgrading your fuel lines? Are you planning on running e85 with stock fuel pumps? I would make sure you watch your lpfp pressures if you don't have another lpfp like SteveAZ's stage 1 kit, make sure you don't have consistent drops. Some stock systems can handle it, others struggle above e30.
The BMS Flex Fuel wires basically allow the JB4 to tap into another sensor (I forgot which one), they aren't actual fuel lines
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The BMS Flex Fuel wires basically allow the JB4 to tap into another sensor (I forgot which one), they aren't actual fuel lines
They tap into the fuel high pressure sensor.

I ran E50 on the stock fuel pump with no issues. Having said that, I went for steve's stage 1 kit before installing my pure turbo upgrade for peace of mind since i'm running 20psi and making much more power up top. Once you have the FF wires and are running E50 without issue map 6 will completely change your car. The higher boost targets in the higher RPM's really wakes the N55 up!
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They tap into the fuel high pressure sensor.

I ran E50 on the stock fuel pump with no issues. Having said that, I went for steve's stage 1 kit before installing my pure turbo upgrade for peace of mind since i'm running 20psi and making much more power up top. Once you have the FF wires and are running E50 without issue map 6 will completely change your car. The higher boost targets in the higher RPM's really wakes the N55 up!

Curious if you happen to have any track times on your car with that pure stage 1 turbo?
Your car seems to be setup similar to mine, and i'm currently pondering which turbo upgrade to get.
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My wait is finally over! i got my car last night, first thing i noticed when i started it was the difference in sound. it is a lot deeper now. got on the road and for about 40 miles on my trip home i couldnt even gas it at all cause there was way to much traffic.

finally get to the road by my house where you can pin it in first and second cause there are never any cars around. i had the car on map 5 i am FBO but all i have in the tank is 91 oct right now. I did notice a slight loss in power down low but holy crap does it make it all worth it when you get to the upper rpms! it felt amazing to be able to have it wrapped out and still pulling to red line

i got my flex fuel wires in yesterday so i am going to install them today and put 50% e85 in my car. i am really excited cause i could feel a pretty good diff even with 3 gallons of e85 on my stock turbo i cant even imagine what almost 8 gallons with my new turbo will feel like!

hopefully this weekend i will be able to get together with some forum members and get me all setup with map 6. once i get some logs i will post them up and i plan on going to the track this friday so i will post up some slips.

Oh and i would like to personally thank Chuck at Pure turbos for staying almost 2 hours after closing to wait for me and give me my car last night! thanks man!


Congrats! Get some videos of that thing
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Curious if you happen to have any track times on your car with that pure stage 1 turbo?
Your car seems to be setup similar to mine, and i'm currently pondering which turbo upgrade to get.
N55 fbo w pure and e85 should get you into the 11s pretty easily
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N55 fbo w pure and e85 should get you into the 11s pretty easily

More interested in the trap speed of similar setups than the actual elapsed time.
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More interested in the trap speed of similar setups than the actual elapsed time.
~120mph

There is data all over the place on this. Mostly in the main Pure thread. I know you've seen Darkhold's results....you commented shortly after?

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I did some more tests yesterday and today in regards to quartermile times and boost correlation.

Data was logged with my usual xgps160 logger with racechrono pro on android.
So while the times might not be 100% accurate since the logger and app are not universally accepted I do believe they can be used as a reference between different boost levels on my car.

It looks like trap speeds are 1 to 2 mph slower nowadays than what i logged previously. So only seeing 119.x mph compared to previous 120.x and 121.x @ max boost. And with a good launch I am seeing mid 11's. At lower boost (15 psi) the launches are more easy and if done right gets me a high 11 with ofcourse lower trap speeds.

Once over 120mph the difference between 14/15 psi and 20 psi becomes more apparent. Like 120-145 taking 1.5 seconds more etc...

edit: possibly my spark plugs need replacing after 44k km and might be the cause of the lower trap speed. Will do some relogs once thats done.

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~120mph

There is data all over the place on this. Mostly in the main Pure thread. I know you've seen Darkhold's results....you commented shortly after?


I've seen his and another members. He doesn't have any actual track data from what I've seen, just an android app.
Also, that's a 1 series with dct. Looking for e90 data.
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I assume real track trap speed should be around 118mph .. Theirs a member in x1 which is xdrive trapped 116.5 with pure .. So I assume e90 should get in 117-118s ...
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My wait is finally over! i got my car last night, first thing i noticed when i started it was the difference in sound. it is a lot deeper now. got on the road and for about 40 miles on my trip home i couldnt even gas it at all cause there was way to much traffic.

finally get to the road by my house where you can pin it in first and second cause there are never any cars around. i had the car on map 5 i am FBO but all i have in the tank is 91 oct right now. I did notice a slight loss in power down low but holy crap does it make it all worth it when you get to the upper rpms! it felt amazing to be able to have it wrapped out and still pulling to red line

i got my flex fuel wires in yesterday so i am going to install them today and put 50% e85 in my car. i am really excited cause i could feel a pretty good diff even with 3 gallons of e85 on my stock turbo i cant even imagine what almost 8 gallons with my new turbo will feel like!

hopefully this weekend i will be able to get together with some forum members and get me all setup with map 6. once i get some logs i will post them up and i plan on going to the track this friday so i will post up some slips.

Oh and i would like to personally thank Chuck at Pure turbos for staying almost 2 hours after closing to wait for me and give me my car last night! thanks man!
Congratulations! You are going to enjoy Pure Stage 1.
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Good stuff man. Maybe Newguy will help you out with map 6 but I'm not sure if he'll want to give away his custom settings lol

If you get your car dialed in I might be able to meet up with you guys Saturday night to do some pulls. I have a new flash for my car so I wouldn't mind testing it out on you two
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I've seen his and another members. He doesn't have any actual track data from what I've seen, just an android app.
Also, that's a 1 series with dct. Looking for e90 data.
I am using 15 satellites with external GPS receiver together with an android app to be correct. I might get a vbox soon. And my car is a 1 series with 8 speed zf automatic. And yes the times are not track times since we don't have quarter mile tracks over here unfortunately.
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I think you might be pushing the limit of the LPFP at 50% Ethanol with the added power up top. I'd personally go for Steve's Stg 2, the extra cost is worth it for the ease of installation alone.
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I have not done a whole lot of work on cars, I consider myself a novice, but I was able to install the stage 1 kit with relative ease. Even Steve says his stage 1 kit is plenty for running e85. I will admit that it does look even easier to just replace the whole bucket but you'll pay for it.
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I think you might be pushing the limit of the LPFP at 50% Ethanol with the added power up top. I'd personally go for Steve's Stg 2, the extra cost is worth it for the ease of installation alone.
I agree, I would go E40 at the highest for now. It will still support anything the Pure can throw at it.
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Congrats! Get some videos of that thing
i have my go pro all setup and ready for saturday. gonna head up to fontana and hit the 1/4 mile track there. i really hope i can get into the 11's. i have drag slicks so hopefully that helps my 60' time out enough to get me there since i dont have AWD. ill post the videos on sunday!
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