[zsupreme]

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[zsupreme]

I should've prefaced this by saying I've owned a 1999 BMW M3 prior to this vehicle and that was relatively a dream compared to this ticking/corroding crap-box. I'm not unfamiliar w/ finicky German engineering.

[328XIdiot]

Sell it if you don't like it. Why does it need to end in a Class Action suit?

[Tom Droze]

Originally Posted by 328XIdiot

Sell it if you don't like it. Why does it need to end in a Class Action suit?

+1

[thomas88162]

Yea, good luck with that legal recourse buddy. Not even trying to sound offensive, just it isn't going to happen. The water pump failure rate is actually fairly rare when you consider all of the vehicles which have been sold, and even so these cars are aging to the point now where you have to expect some things to fail. Your rough idle/ stalling issue is probably a misfire, whether it is a plug or coil I do not know. It should be easy to figure that one out with a simple scan tool, though.

[mlifxs]

I agree our cars are finicky, but I agree with others that there's little chance of legal satisfaction. Selling may relieve the nuisance but the financial hit is a pain as well. I'm enjoying my car in spite of the annoyances.

[bimmerquick43321]

Originally Posted by mlifxs

I agree our cars are finicky, but I agree with others that there's little chance of legal satisfaction. Selling may relieve the nuisance but the financial hit is a pain as well. I'm enjoying my car in spite of the annoyances.

So true, same here, logically I should sell my car and buy something else.
The problem is that then I get into it, start driving it and I'm like, screw logic this just feels so right

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by 328XIdiot

Sell it if you don't like it. Why does it need to end in a Class Action suit?

Why not? Why should the consumer be left on the hook for poor engineering. I'm sure people who had failing subframes of their just out of warranty E46s wanted to hear "Deal with it"

[Delta0311]

Water pumps will fail on ANY car around 100k miles. This is why it is recommended to change the pump at around 100k miles on ANY car. On my 335 it failed earlier this year at like 30k miles. Yes that is not normal and I was pissed but it is covered by warranty so I didn't sweat it much. And misfires due to bad plugs or coils are fairly cheap and easy to fix.

[Nordkeyz73]

Class action law suits are what's wrong with today's society. People have the thought to sue because they become annoyed. I don't think BMW ever made a "sub-German quality" car. And for that matter, when you buy a BMW, the complexity of the vehicle compared to those of the past or even less expensive marques comes with a higher probability for something to go wrong. What exactly happened zsupreme?

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by Nordkeyz73

Class action law suits are what's wrong with today's society. People have the thought to sue because they become annoyed. I don't think BMW ever made a "sub-German quality" car. And for that matter, when you buy a BMW, the complexity of the vehicle compared to those of the past or even less expensive marques comes with a higher probability for something to go wrong. What exactly happened zsupreme?

Also a lot of people do 0 preventive maintenance, believe all fluids are good for the life of the car, never let the car warm up properly, and drive like maniacs then they go and complain about how everything is failing.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by Nordkeyz73

Class action law suits are what's wrong with today's society. People have the thought to sue because they become annoyed. I don't think BMW ever made a "sub-German quality" car. And for that matter, when you buy a BMW, the complexity of the vehicle compared to those of the past or even less expensive marques comes with a higher probability for something to go wrong. What exactly happened zsupreme?

7 series.

And "German quality" is meaningless when you have cars like VWs polluting the pool. I'm more impressed by "Japanese Reliability"

[Mike.]

Originally Posted by zsupreme

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what???

If you follow that preventive maintenance guide, and don't beat the hell out of your car... the results should yield a reliable car. I keep experiencing people that think since they get these cars and there are no dash errors, that everything is fine, because well, ya know, their car didn't tell them to fix the problem. These engines are bulletproof, IF and a big IF you take care of it...

[SDemetris]

Idk what youre talking about. Only thing to happen to mine is the water pump went. All it takes is a small level of intelligence to listen to and fix small things and do maintencance. Both my parents have e90 n52 powered cars. Between them theyve had 1 bad water pump, a leaky vcg, and a leaky auto tranny. Not at all bad considering we have 275000 miles between the 3 o them

[SDemetris]

My e30 on the other hand, since ive owned it starting august, the fuel gauge and coolant temp guage broke, lower dash board fell apart, wheel weights fell off, and trans mounts buckled. If you want to onow unreliable, buy an 80s car

[thomas88162]

Originally Posted by SDemetris

My e30 on the other hand, since ive owned it starting august, the fuel gauge and coolant temp guage broke, lower dash board fell apart, wheel weights fell off, and trans mounts buckled. If you want to onow unreliable, buy an 80s car

Lol! Welcome to the world of owning an old BMW. Really they aren't bad, it's just the little things. Well, other than your dash, that's kind of a big deal!

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

Why not? Why should the consumer be left on the hook for poor engineering. I'm sure people who had failing subframes of their just out of warranty E46s wanted to hear "Deal with it"

Well, mainly because it fucks over everyone not involved in it later on and just lines the pockets of the lawyers instead of addressing the issue.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

Well, mainly because it fucks over everyone not involved in it later on and just lines the pockets of the lawyers instead of addressing the issue.

And on the other side of the coin?

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

And on the other side of the coin?

There really isn't much to the other side. Go see the E46 M3 subframe lawsuit. Basically got small period of time in which some cars were inspected, others got foam, and that is as far as it went.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

There really isn't much to the other side. Go see the E46 M3 subframe lawsuit. Basically got small period of time in which some cars were inspected, others got foam, and that is as far as it went.

I saw, the flipside would be BMW would blame owners for negligence and do nothing but repair a few select cases. They are a business and their primary focus is to make money, and if that means paying out as little and infrequent as possible, they'll do it.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by zsupreme

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What would you do if your new car burned down like Lambo, P or Ferrari?

[InControl]

Do you have a difficulty distinguishing between a problem and an annoyance.
How many e9x have burned down - I'm not aware of any. Do something useful, collect records on recalls and known premature issues, and then post something useful