Diesel Differences

Puerto Rican 335d · 01-03-2015, 06:51 PM

While on extended vacation i came across a gas station in Florida it had regular diesel for sale and OFF ROAD DIESEL for sale. Whats the difference?

bmw325i · 01-03-2015, 06:54 PM

The government takes their cut on one, but not the other. Other than that it just has a different color of dye.

335dlci · 01-03-2015, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d

While on extended vacation i came across a gas station in Florida it had regular diesel for sale and OFF ROAD DIESEL for sale. Whats the difference?

Regular diesel here in CA is called diesel #2 which is a taxed fuel for road bound vehicles. Diesel #1 is also known as off road diesel and isn't taxed for farm use and is dyed red as mentioned to prevent companies or people to use it for personal use.

32valves · 01-03-2015, 11:52 PM

If I remember right it's not low sulfur and the cetane is higher.

Puerto Rican 335d · 01-05-2015, 09:04 AM

Question i ask is it good for our cars?

Got_Diesel · 01-05-2015, 09:21 AM

it's not low sulfer than that's a NO!

Puerto Rican 335d · 01-05-2015, 09:26 AM

ok but my car is highly modified and I DONT have the DPF installed and now have a Dpipe I gather it can be used

Pierre Louis · 01-05-2015, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Puerto Rican 335d

ok but my car is highly modified and I DONT have the DPF installed and now have a Dpipe I gather it can be used

Amigo, have you specifically removed the catalytic converters? I believe those are the ones that can be damaged by sulfur.

PL

Hoooper · 01-05-2015, 12:39 PM

From my understanding, all diesel you can get at the pump is the same stuff, just one is dyed red to indicate no road taxes were paid on it. The "off-road" stuff for agriculture has been required to be ULSD since the end of 2010.

I was just thinking about this the other day. Our cars would be the perfect candidates for getting away with using off road diesel since they fly way under the diesel radar. I would be surprised if any 335d has ever had its tank dipped.

flmoto · 01-05-2015, 12:46 PM

There can be stiff fines for using off road diesel, on road. Don't do it.

Hoooper · 01-05-2015, 02:18 PM

there are stiff fines for removing the DPF, stiff fines for removing the catalytic converter, stiff fines for modifying the computer, etc. That hasnt stopped PR or a bunch of other guys from doing those things. I seriously doubt anyone driving a 335d would ever get checked unless an officer had singled them out knowing they were doing it.

Puerto Rican 335d · 01-06-2015, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pierre Louis

Amigo, have you specifically removed the catalytic converters? I believe those are the ones that can be damaged by sulfur.

PL

Pierre the car is even more of the monster since you were down here in the Island last year, let me know when you come back so we can take a long drive ok around the island.

Puerto Rican 335d · 01-06-2015, 08:10 AM

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there are stiff fines for removing the DPF, stiff fines for removing the catalytic converter, stiff fines for modifying the computer, etc. That hasnt stopped PR or a bunch of other guys from doing those things. I seriously doubt anyone driving a 335d would ever get checked unless an officer had singled them out knowing they were doing it.

Very true amigo, I doubt FLHWP will stop anyone UNLESS your smoking like a Dragon. I believe also we can use it. I just happened to pass by a gas station near Mt Dora in Florida I believe it was Hwy 46 or something like that.

Flmoto check the reg's in Florida , the gallon of OFF ROAD diesel at that particular station was $2.67 vice the regular diesel $3.09. Now, this was the ONLY gas station I came across that had that sign!!

demon · 01-06-2015, 02:01 PM

Don't know if there are actual differences in the fuel but as everyone else said - it's all about road tax.

I used to have an in-ground 500 gallon tank, when I ordered fuel oil for my furnace, I would have them shoot a couple hundred gallons into the spare tank and tell them it was for my tractor - wink wink. No problems. I was burning this in a old VW Jetta diesel.

However, If I tried to buy even two five gallon jugs of off road at the gas station, I had to sign a book and state what it was being used for.

I put 300k on the Jetta and was never stopped to have my tank dipped.

Hoooper · 01-06-2015, 02:10 PM

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Very true amigo, I doubt FLHWP will stop anyone UNLESS your smoking like a Dragon. I believe also we can use it. I just happened to pass by a gas station near Mt Dora in Florida I believe it was Hwy 46 or something like that.

They will conduct fishing expeditions on obvious farm trucks, especially in rural areas. This happens all the time. I doubt cars would even be on their radar. It doesnt have anything to do with smoke, just if they think you have access to off road diesel

Puerto Rican 335d · 01-07-2015, 09:58 AM

True Hoop very well said

Vreimann · 01-07-2015, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoooper

They will conduct fishing expeditions on obvious farm trucks, especially in rural areas. This happens all the time. I doubt cars would even be on their radar. It doesnt have anything to do with smoke, just if they think you have access to off road diesel

In Canada if you have Farm Plates on the car, you can use the farm diesel which is dyed.

If they dip any diesel vehicles it would be those that are diesel without the Farm Plates.

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32valves Captain 114 Rep 934 Posts Drives: 2011 335d sport Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: DC area iTrader: (0)	If I remember right it's not low sulfur and the cetane is higher.
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Puerto Rican 335d Brigadier General 236 Rep 3,488 Posts Drives: Montego Blue 335d Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Puerto Rico(Dominican Republic 03/2017) iTrader: (0)	ok but my car is highly modified and I DONT have the DPF installed and now have a Dpipe I gather it can be used __________________ RENNtech Flash(Lenny Wu)/WAGNER IC Enkei Rajin 18"/Execuhitch Hitch/Koni FSD Soft Ride Bike Rack/Brava Synthetic Motor Oil(Made in Puerto Rico)/Meth(in the works)/CBU done w Andrew EGR Race Pipe (whoa! what an animal it is now)
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bmw325i Major General 238 Rep 5,118 Posts Drives: 2006 BMW 325i Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: United States iTrader: (8)	The government takes their cut on one, but not the other. Other than that it just has a different color of dye.
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Hoooper Colonel 213 Rep 2,210 Posts Drives: 335D Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Petaluma, CA iTrader: (0)	From my understanding, all diesel you can get at the pump is the same stuff, just one is dyed red to indicate no road taxes were paid on it. The "off-road" stuff for agriculture has been required to be ULSD since the end of 2010. I was just thinking about this the other day. Our cars would be the perfect candidates for getting away with using off road diesel since they fly way under the diesel radar. I would be surprised if any 335d has ever had its tank dipped.
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flmoto New Member 0 Rep 7 Posts Drives: 2009 335d Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: florida iTrader: (0)	There can be stiff fines for using off road diesel, on road. Don't do it.
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Hoooper Colonel 213 Rep 2,210 Posts Drives: 335D Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Petaluma, CA iTrader: (0)	there are stiff fines for removing the DPF, stiff fines for removing the catalytic converter, stiff fines for modifying the computer, etc. That hasnt stopped PR or a bunch of other guys from doing those things. I seriously doubt anyone driving a 335d would ever get checked unless an officer had singled them out knowing they were doing it.
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demon Fukowee Warrior 14 Rep 118 Posts Drives: 2011 335d Msport blk on blk Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: north carolina iTrader: (0)	Don't know if there are actual differences in the fuel but as everyone else said - it's all about road tax. I used to have an in-ground 500 gallon tank, when I ordered fuel oil for my furnace, I would have them shoot a couple hundred gallons into the spare tank and tell them it was for my tractor - wink wink. No problems. I was burning this in a old VW Jetta diesel. However, If I tried to buy even two five gallon jugs of off road at the gas station, I had to sign a book and state what it was being used for. I put 300k on the Jetta and was never stopped to have my tank dipped.
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