[feuer]

Hi,

few years back I switched from VW to BMW, well it was first MB w201, then e36 and now e90. All manual.
I still can't perfect the power slide and looking for somebody to show me, teach me how is done, in person.

[dbworld4k]

Take some driving school lessons. Skidpad control. Make sure your car has a LSD.

[mojobmw_e90]

A lsd is a must for a power slide to work out nicely.

[feuer]

Originally Posted by dbworld4k

Take some driving school lessons. Skidpad control. Make sure your car has a LSD.

they don't teach you power slides at the driving school.

Originally Posted by mojobmw_e90

A lsd is a must for a power slide to work out nicely.

I don't think LSD is a must.

[sirdaft1]

Originally Posted by feuer

they don't teach you power slides at the driving school.


I don't think LSD is a must.

They sure do teach you at car control clinics. I know Autobahn Country Club does these.

And unless you weld the diff like the E36 jokers do... An LSD is absolutely a must.

[dbworld4k]

Originally Posted by feuer

they don't teach you power slides at the driving school.


I don't think LSD is a must.

[feuer]

Originally Posted by sirdaft1

They sure do teach you at car control clinics. I know Autobahn Country Club does these.

And unless you weld the diff like the E36 jokers do... An LSD is absolutely a must.

Originally Posted by dbworld4k

No offence but from your comments I can only assume that you don't know how to do it either, LSD or not.

The driving school teaches you car control and defensive driving on a skid pad but they will not teach you how to get into a drift, sustaining it, and getting out of it.
I'm struggling with the last part

[bmwmike89]

I cant believe this is an actual thread though. haha

[Fundguy1]

Lol

[feuer]

Originally Posted by bmwmike89

I cant believe this is an actual thread though. haha

Why it shouldn't be? I'm self-learner and don't feel ashamed to admit that I can't do power slides. I reach out to e90post community for guidance. Instead I was told that it can't be done with open diff. So I post videos to show otherwise. That is all.
I have been going to ACC for the past 5 years, for different reasons, not power slides, but I know that they don't teach you how to do those.

[dbworld4k]

Of course it can be done with an open diff. The hard part is CONTROLLING it and straightening out after, which is always tricky with an open diff as it wants to bite and snap on the side which gains grip. It would be so much easier with proper equipment instead of fighting with it, especially for a novice. Hence, the LSD part. Sending all that torque down one side is playing with fire. Ask all the curb kissers/ditch dumpers how they know.

[feuer]

Originally Posted by dbworld4k

straightening out after, which is always tricky with an open diff as it wants to bite and snap on the side which gains grip.

that's exactly what my problems is and want to meet with a driver that is more skilled and can show me what I'm doing wrong.

[Fundguy1]

It's not that you're doing anything wrong. It's that you're trying how do it in the first place. Wrong car for this. Powersliding/drifting is show off destroy your tires stuff. The car is designed to stop sliding at all costs. From the electronics to the suspension to the lack of an lsd. If you want to do power slides get an mustang 5.0 and have at it. When I did my factory delivery on the road course they were proud to show you how difficult it was to make it slide, etc. You have the wrong car and crowd.

[AceOnShake]

I try to avoid power slides at all time lol

[Cloud9blue]

Too much weight/momentum on this car to slide it around easily. And the traction on your average parking lot or street surface is too inconsistent.

I can only manage to do a clean slide in the snow, which made things a lot easier. LSD helped, but you can slide it without LSD as well. The issue without LSD is that it is difficult to initiate wheel spins on both wheels smoothly.

Your best bet is attend one of those drift events and ask around the guys who does his all day. But drifting on dry road or even semi wet road surface is incredibly hard on the drivetrain and suspension components. E90 really isn't the right car to do this.

[feuer]

Originally Posted by Cloud9blue

Too much weight/momentum on this car to slide it around easily. And the traction on your average parking lot or street surface is too inconsistent.

I can only manage to do a clean slide in the snow, which made things a lot easier. LSD helped, but you can slide it without LSD as well. The issue without LSD is that it is difficult to initiate wheel spins on both wheels smoothly.

Your best bet is attend one of those drift events and ask around the guys who does his all day. But drifting on dry road or even semi wet road surface is incredibly hard on the drivetrain and suspension components. E90 really isn't the right car to do this.

It was raining this weekend. Perfect for practice. I don't really have problems getting into a slide and controlling the car while going sideways. My problem is changing the direction of travel. The car will either veer off when I what to exit the slide to go straight or spin around when I try to slide in opposite direction. I guess I will turn to the JDM people

[Cloud9blue]

Originally Posted by feuer

It was raining this weekend. Perfect for practice. I don't really have problems getting into a slide and controlling the car while going sideways. My problem is changing the direction of travel. The car will either veer off when I what to exit the slide to go straight or spin around when I try to slide in opposite direction.

I think you have the wrong expectation on this car. 3500lb curb weight and softly sprung suspension (performance yellow springs are still rather soft) will never drift properly.

Without LSD, you are really at the mercy what wheel choose to bite and making it difficult the direction as you mentioned.

But really, it is the wrong car for the wrong job. Get a e36 m3 or Rx7 instead.

[Cloud9blue]

Originally Posted by dbworld4k

Of course it can be done with an open diff. The hard part is CONTROLLING it and straightening out after, which is always tricky with an open diff as it wants to bite and snap on the side which gains grip. It would be so much easier with proper equipment instead of fighting with it, especially for a novice. Hence, the LSD part. Sending all that torque down one side is playing with fire. Ask all the curb kissers/ditch dumpers how they know.

this...

[feuer]

Originally Posted by Cloud9blue

I think you have the wrong expectation on this car. 3500lb curb weight and softly sprung suspension (performance yellow springs are still rather soft) will never drift properly.

Without LSD, you are really at the mercy what wheel choose to bite and making it difficult the direction as you mentioned.

But really, it is the wrong car for the wrong job. Get a e36 m3 or Rx7 instead.

To have the equipment is important but so are the skills, if not even more important. There are drivers out there that can drift/power slide anything.
I had very light, gutted interior mb w201 4cyl 5spd and e36 325i 5spd, both lighter than my current e90 and I was having pretty much the same issue.
I want to learn because I find it useful to know, I want to excel as rwd driver, not only because is cool

[Cloud9blue]

Originally Posted by feuer

To have the equipment is important but so are the skills, if not even more important. There are drivers out there that can drift/power slide anything.
I had very light, gutted interior mb w201 4cyl 5spd and e36 325i 5spd, both lighter than my current e90 and I was having pretty much the same issue.
I want to learn because I find it useful to know, I want to excel as rwd driver, not only because is cool

Sure you can drift anything. But you can't mask the weight of this car. Heavy car means a lot of momentum and weight transfer, which translates lack of controllability in a variable traction scenario.

Hell, just look at this video of professional drifter trying to drift a Telsa P85. Sure it is easy as hell to break traction with all that torque, but even him can't pull off a smooth slide with all that weight. I seriously doubt you will be able to with a E90 as well at our amateur skill level.

Seriously, unless you have a WIDE OPEN parking lot to fool around. It won't take long before you hit a curb and mess up the curb big time...

[dbworld4k]

Originally Posted by Cloud9blue

It won't be long before you hit a curb and mess up the curb big time...

Usually, the curb will be the one doing the messing up.

[CHI335]

Originally Posted by feuer

To have the equipment is important but so are the skills, if not even more important. There are drivers out there that can drift/power slide anything.
I had very light, gutted interior mb w201 4cyl 5spd and e36 325i 5spd, both lighter than my current e90 and I was having pretty much the same issue.
I want to learn because I find it useful to know, I want to excel as rwd driver, not only because is cool

Can't really speak about the rwd, but in an xi, is fairly simple to control. Probably a whole other animal to do it in a rwd. Personally, I would practice on old tires and in dirty lots.