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      07-04-2015, 07:55 AM   #1
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M47 blown turbo

Car was driving fine then without warning total loss of power and a whining noise when accelerating, limped the car home 2 miles away. Car is booked in at turbo pacs Durham for full diagnostics then repair, my options are:
1st new turbo=not worth the cost in my eyes,
2nd refurbished turbo= £450 ish best option so far
3rd Hybrid = waiting for options

Then I have to pay for fitting and service ect ££££££££££££££ so while i'm at it im going to get a remap. turbo pacs give a 2 year warranty on there turbos so seems a great deal, I'll post prices and results once i'm done booked in Tuesday

Thanks Shane
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      07-04-2015, 06:37 PM   #2
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get your existing turbo rebuilt, will be much less than 450quid.

Turborebuild.co.uk just rebuilt my Aplina D3 turbo for 225£

they quoted me a maximum of 275£ for getting my existing TF035 rebuilt (found a D3 turbo cheap, so got that and got it rebuilt instead, upgrades!)
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      07-07-2015, 01:43 PM   #3
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Thanks for the reply about your turbo mine is the rubbish Mitsubishi one with electronic accuator, well so far car is at the garage rubbish turbo is going to cost £475 fitting is £200 and service items £100 , turbo will come with a 2 year garentee so whilst the car is in might as well spend a bit more and get the remap done, fairly expensive but not as bad as it could of been will update when I get me car back
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      07-07-2015, 04:41 PM   #4
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so is that 475 including the fitting? cause if not then that is very expensive for a recon turbo.

the TF035 i mentioned is the Mitsubishi unit with the electronic acutator
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      07-07-2015, 06:13 PM   #5
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£475 is with fitting, £775 pays for diagnostic, full service, recon turbo with 2 years guarantee. I thought that was a fair price but maybe not, whilst the car was in a was going to pay £300 for a remap. I am hoping to claim for the turbo through my AA warranty fingers crossed
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      07-08-2015, 05:43 AM   #6
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475 doesnt sound too excessive then, just hope its a decent turbo they supply and not a chocolate chinese POS.
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      07-08-2015, 10:39 AM   #7
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The company has been around for a while and are giving me a 2 year guarantee so I think it will be ok, plans have changed I'm now going for a hybrid turbo an extra £200 but they said I should see 220-240 bhp and loads of torque 😋
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      07-08-2015, 10:59 AM   #8
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The company has been around for a while and are giving me a 2 year guarantee so I think it will be ok, plans have changed I'm now going for a hybrid turbo an extra £200 but they said I should see 220-240 bhp and loads of torque 😋
nice...how much would just a replacement hybrid turbo cost?

Do you not have to upgrade injectors etc to get past 200bhp?
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      07-08-2015, 11:44 AM   #9
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Hybrid turbo fitted will be £675, the downside is I've got to wait a week. they never mentioned upgrading the injectors. (take it they will use 330d ones) I'll go to the garage tomorrow and quiz the lads. thanks for pointing out the injector issue
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      07-09-2015, 04:27 AM   #10
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Hybrid turbo fitted will be £675, the downside is I've got to wait a week. they never mentioned upgrading the injectors. (take it they will use 330d ones) I'll go to the garage tomorrow and quiz the lads. thanks for pointing out the injector issue
Sorry by upgrading i meant switch to 330d versions. I might be wrong but im fairly sure (and IceKube can correct me if im wrong) the D3 version that uses the 320d engine runs 330d injectors.
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      07-09-2015, 04:43 AM   #11
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the single turbo D3 uses early 535d (Gen2 M57) injectors, which are a slightly different style to the E90 330d (Gen3 M57) stuff.

I dont know exactly where the limit of the stock injectors is, and replacements are expensive. You could always have it tuned with the standard injectors and see how far you get. If you run out of injector then you have to make the call as to wether its worth spending the extra £ for the difference in power.

IE the stock injectors might do 215hp, and the new turbo might max out at 230. But spending £800 on injectors to get that extra 15hp probably isnt worth it. obviously the larger the gap between the two figures, the more worthwhile the injectors become!
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      07-09-2015, 05:22 AM   #12
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the single turbo D3 uses early 535d (Gen2 M57) injectors, which are a slightly different style to the E90 330d (Gen3 M57) stuff.

I dont know exactly where the limit of the stock injectors is, and replacements are expensive. You could always have it tuned with the standard injectors and see how far you get. If you run out of injector then you have to make the call as to wether its worth spending the extra £ for the difference in power.

IE the stock injectors might do 215hp, and the new turbo might max out at 230. But spending £800 on injectors to get that extra 15hp probably isnt worth it. obviously the larger the gap between the two figures, the more worthwhile the injectors become!
Ah yes 535d thanks mate
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      07-09-2015, 05:29 AM   #13
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the Bosch part number for the correct 535D injectors (as used in the Alpina D3) is 0445110219

stock 320D uses 0445110216

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      07-09-2015, 06:34 AM   #14
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E90 330d doesnt use those. They're from the older Gen2 engines used in the E46 etc.
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      07-09-2015, 04:13 PM   #15
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thanks for the advice on the injectors the guys tuning my car have told me they will be mapping the car using the original injectors, I had the choice of standard or hybrid turbo I choose the hybrid over standard as it should be stronger, once the car is done (hopefully Tuesday ) i'll post results.

thanks for reading
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good stuff
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      07-10-2015, 06:32 AM   #17
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look forward to seeing the results
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      07-24-2015, 04:34 PM   #18
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After over 2 weeks the new turbo has been fitted and the car has been mapped, however the owner of the garage has told me the map needs tweaking, the car only pulls after 3k revs. I was going to pick the car up tomorrow.

Advice needed from any one who can help with my issues

1. Do you think the car can be mapped with the turbo and no other mods such as injected
2. Should I take the car the way it is and try a new mapper
3. Give them a chance to remap it
4. what should I be asking them ie could the electronic actuator be at fault?

I'm feeling like just chopping the car in.

I'm of to the garage tomorrow to speak to them and find out exactly what turbo has been put on, what power its producing and why the car only pulls after 3k,

i'll keep you all updated thanks for reading
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      07-24-2015, 05:37 PM   #19
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Sounds like either theres an issue with the turbo actuator or VNT calibration, or theres a serious mapping issue.

Unfortunately theres loads of garages around that like to sell remaps who infact dont have a clue what they're doing and are just blasting someone elses flash tunes onto the cars.

There should be no issue mapping the car without the upgraded injectors. If you were to run out of injector, then it would simply limit the maximum power achievable. it would still drive perfectly fine.

i'd get them to reload the factory tune onto the car and see how it drives. If its still hopeless, then its likely to be a turbo issue, probably a faulty actuator or badly calibrated VNT mechanism.

If it drives fine with the stock tune, then clearly its an issue with the remap!
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      07-24-2015, 07:44 PM   #20
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Are they live mapping it on a dyno?
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      07-25-2015, 01:20 AM   #21
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I had similiar issue on my E46 330d (no pull until 3k revs) and it was blocked egr. Even after it was cleaned out, still had same problem but wasn't as noticable. Turns out the muppet garage didn't put all the gaskets back on after removing the intake manifold AND the egr wasn't quite sitting flush. Losers.
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      07-25-2015, 03:02 AM   #22
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Acuatator, VNT or EGR hopefully and not just a bad map, thanks for your response at least now I feel I can go to the garage armed with a bit more info

thanks guys
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