[Camman]

Anyone see this yet?

https://www.bimmian.com/WeissLicht-I...es#tab-b-guide

Since there is an led firing up and down I would not want to try this in my headlight since that will most likely send more scattered beam. But for the fog lights they might be a good option.

What are some other option of LED kits I can look at? I'd like something brighter than my current yellow halogen bulbs

I'd consider doing it for my headlights if it only has one LED firing upward versus one LED firing up and down.

[tc535i]

Why? Your headlight bulb emits in all directions too... my concern would be uneven spread from specific light points vs a smooth filament distribution

[Camman]

Well your correct but the housing is designed around that to keep light from hitting the bottom of the housing and reflecting upward.

Aftermarket kit bulb placement is usually different which causes the glare. So what I'm thinking is if you have a beam that is only 180 degrees then there is less of a chance of any light hitting the bottom up the housing and reflecting upward.

What I'm hoping it something like this (I know no kit will be this perfect...ever, but you get the idea)

[tke344]

I've seen those from a few different vendors, I was thinking about trying them for the angel eyes. I coded out the bulb checks and PWM already so I know they'll work fine, just not sure if it's a worthwhile upgrade from the 25w HIDs I'm currently running. If nothing else it'd clean up the engine bay, I'd like to get rid of the relay harness I'm using and the ballasts.

[matteblue3er]

There is no such thing as a plug and play LED bulb for a halogen or xenon reflector/projector.

The focal points when comparing a halogen, xenon and LED bulb are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

Halogens and xenons emit light in a 360 degree pattern. LEDs typically are limited to 110-170 degrees without the use of secondary optics.

Bottom line....You will get subpar light output by slapping that LED bulb into the incorrect reflector/projector setup.

I've attached a photo of what the cut off looks like with an LED bulb slapped into a halogen reflector....

LED on left. Halogen on Right. You can see the beam pattern of the LED units are complete crap. And there is glare above the cut off.

This photo is not mine

[Camman]

Actually there isn't much glare above the cutoff. The cutoff just looks like it's a little higher which can easily be aimed down back to where the halogen cutoff was.

But I'm not saying HID kits or LED kits produce a lot of glare. But LED kits have the potential to be modified to work in halogen housing, if they are designed for specific cars. There's more that can be done with LED's that you can't do with HID bulbs but it will definitely come with a price and it we probably won't see anything good for another 2-3 years. But eventually people are gonna be buying LED kits and not HID kits.

[tke344]

^ Yeah the cutoff really isn't horrible. There is more stray light above the line but it's in the same pattern as the halogen bulb. Just brighter - you can see what looks like an "X"

[Wilt]

Originally Posted by Camman

Actually there isn't much glare above the cutoff. The cutoff just looks like it's a little higher which can easily be aimed down back to where the halogen cutoff was.

But I'm not saying HID kits or LED kits produce a lot of glare. But LED kits have the potential to be modified to work in halogen housing, if they are designed for specific cars. There's more that can be done with LED's that you can't do with HID bulbs but it will definitely come with a price and it we probably won't see anything good for another 2-3 years. But eventually people are gonna be buying LED kits and not HID kits.

Any LED conversion of headlights will NOT BE STREET LEGAL. Only LED headlamps approved in specific model year and model cars from the factory are legal, and as far as I know there is not even the acceptance of retrofit from 2015 Audi into a 2013 Audi using the same 2015 LED headlamp assembly.

[Camman]

Yes your right but I ran an HID kit in my last car and never got pulled over or flashed at.

Not saying I'm gonna do again in this car but cops don't really care about that here in Houston. Might be different in other states.

Regardless, I don't think I will get this kit simply because aftermarket LED kits are not at their full potential yet.

[Tim603]

Originally Posted by Wilt

Any LED conversion of headlights will NOT BE STREET LEGAL. Only LED headlamps approved in specific model year and model cars from the factory are legal, and as far as I know there is not even the acceptance of retrofit from 2015 Audi into a 2013 Audi using the same 2015 LED headlamp assembly.

Who cares if they are street legal lol most people will have no idea what you have in your projector lens. Even if you have halogen housings I see people with HID kits in them all the time

Also if you retrofitted 2015 headlights into a 2013 audi I would be astonished if you got a ticket for that, only true enthusiasts will be able to tell the difference anyways

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

All I know is had the HPB Hid kit in my fog lights and they were awesome. Bright and white and produced a lot of extra light. Glare was not an issue. On coming drivers did not appear to have a problem. It also had a nice cut off similar to stock. I have a picture somewhere of the cut off but I remember it being perfect.

LED options are coming around. Depending on the LED used you can get ones that closely mimic the 360 degree nature of a halogen.

However, I like the reliability/durability of HID kits personally. If you are interested in a LED kit usually any of the specific BMW angel eyes should work however I haven't tested them personally to find out if they are error free. That will be the biggest concern if you do not have your vehicle coded.

If you are worried about legality issues, stay stock. I've had catless vehicles, highly modifieds, nitrous, superchargers, tinted windows, no front plates and everything in between without a hitch in my area.

If your area is sensitive to something as trivial as the light bulb being used, stay stock

[Jaronbwall]

Originally Posted by Jeff@TopGearSolutions

All I know is had the HPB Hid kit in my fog lights and they were awesome. Bright and white and produced a lot of extra light. Glare was not an issue. On coming drivers did not appear to have a problem. It also had a nice cut off similar to stock. I have a picture somewhere of the cut off but I remember it being perfect.

LED options are coming around. Depending on the LED used you can get ones that closely mimic the 360 degree nature of a halogen.

However, I like the reliability/durability of HID kits personally. If you are interested in a LED kit usually any of the specific BMW angel eyes should work however I haven't tested them personally to find out if they are error free. That will be the biggest concern if you do not have your vehicle coded.

If you are worried about legality issues, stay stock. I've had catless vehicles, highly modifieds, nitrous, superchargers, tinted windows, no front plates and everything in between without a hitch in my area.

If your area is sensitive to something as trivial as the light bulb being used, stay stock

+1... So true. Why would you even be on the forum at this point

[Camman]

Originally Posted by Jeff@TopGearSolutions

All I know is had the HPB Hid kit in my fog lights and they were awesome. Bright and white and produced a lot of extra light. Glare was not an issue. On coming drivers did not appear to have a problem. It also had a nice cut off similar to stock. I have a picture somewhere of the cut off but I remember it being perfect.

LED options are coming around. Depending on the LED used you can get ones that closely mimic the 360 degree nature of a halogen.

However, I like the reliability/durability of HID kits personally. If you are interested in a LED kit usually any of the specific BMW angel eyes should work however I haven't tested them personally to find out if they are error free. That will be the biggest concern if you do not have your vehicle coded.

If you are worried about legality issues, stay stock. I've had catless vehicles, highly modifieds, nitrous, superchargers, tinted windows, no front plates and everything in between without a hitch in my area.

If your area is sensitive to something as trivial as the light bulb being used, stay stock

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I found one of your old threads somewhere.

And I have to agree with the HID comment. They have been around for a long time now and most companies have worked out the kinks. I'm really on the fence about getting a H7R kit for my headlights and then eventually getting a 3k kit for the fogs to replace the yellow bulbs. We'll see though.

I live in Houston, HID kits are used everywhere around here lol

[E92-Lighting]

Originally Posted by matteblue3er

There is no such thing as a plug and play LED bulb for a halogen or xenon reflector/projector.

The focal points when comparing a halogen, xenon and LED bulb are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

Halogens and xenons emit light in a 360 degree pattern. LEDs typically are limited to 110-170 degrees without the use of secondary optics.

Bottom line....You will get subpar light output by slapping that LED bulb into the incorrect reflector/projector setup.

I've attached a photo of what the cut off looks like with an LED bulb slapped into a halogen reflector....

LED on left. Halogen on Right. You can see the beam pattern of the LED units are complete crap. And there is glare above the cut off.

This photo is not mine

yes, there are options for the halogen projectors in LED.

[matteblue3er]

Originally Posted by E92-Lighting

yes, there are options for the halogen projectors in LED.

Never said there were no options.

I said there is no such thing as plug and play.

While you all may think that light pattern is acceptable, I think it's horrible. Not so much because of the glare, but because of the poor light distribution.

I'll take a proper HID projector/HID bulb setup any day over any of these "solutions" you guys are talking about in this thread.

[LuxAngelEyes]

Originally Posted by matteblue3er

Never said there were no options.

I said there is no such thing as plug and play.

While you all may think that light pattern is acceptable, I think it's horrible. Not so much because of the glare, but because of the poor light distribution.

I'll take a proper HID projector/HID bulb setup any day over any of these "solutions" you guys are talking about in this thread.

+1 Also an LED " bulb" replacement in a headlight housing is also Illegal and Dangerous to not only yourself but other drivers!

[johnbradshow]

Well, I bought a set of aftermarket projector headlights with LED built in already and they work just like the new 6 series with factory LED headlights. Love them so far...

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Jarronbwall

+1... So true. Why would you even be on the forum at this point

Originally Posted by Camman

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I found one of your old threads somewhere.

And I have to agree with the HID comment. They have been around for a long time now and most companies have worked out the kinks. I'm really on the fence about getting a H7R kit for my headlights and then eventually getting a 3k kit for the fogs to replace the yellow bulbs. We'll see though.

I live in Houston, HID kits are used everywhere around here lol

I've had HPB hid kits in my bike and both my cars for over 5 years. Problem free, no failures. I've had them in other cars in previous to my current vehicles. So yea, HID's are getting more reliable for sure. I remember back in the early 2000's (now im dating myself), when they were upwards of $250-400. No you can likely find cheap HID kits for $25-40 but you get what you pay for with those.

Only problem I have with 3K HID's is they are so bright the yellow is a little washed out. I prefer the 2500-3000K Nokya as the yellow is a little deeper.

It's of course your call at the end of the day which route you prefer.

[Camman]

Originally Posted by johnbradshow

Well, I bought a set of aftermarket projector headlights with LED built in already and they work just like the new 6 series with factory LED headlights. Love them so far...

LED angel eyes or LED headlights?

I'm curious to see what you got.

Originally Posted by Jeff@TopGearSolutions

I've had HPB hid kits in my bike and both my cars for over 5 years. Problem free, no failures. I've had them in other cars in previous to my current vehicles. So yea, HID's are getting more reliable for sure. I remember back in the early 2000's (now im dating myself), when they were upwards of $250-400. No you can likely find cheap HID kits for $25-40 but you get what you pay for with those.

Only problem I have with 3K HID's is they are so bright the yellow is a little washed out. I prefer the 2500-3000K Nokya as the yellow is a little deeper.

It's of course your call at the end of the day which route you prefer.

Yeah I got my first kit back in 2008. Still wasn't cheap but came with lifetime warranty which came in handy each time a bulb went out.

Yeah I'm gonna have to do some thinking. I might get a regular H7 kit (vs H7R) and make a homemade glare shield (or casper shield) like the guy did in the video below.

[u2b]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XFYbJn68U0[/u2b]

But for now, I'm just not gonna worry about it. Not a big deal. Just like knowing my options.

[Wilt]

Originally Posted by Tim603

Who cares if they are street legal lol most people will have no idea what you have in your projector lens. Even if you have halogen housings I see people with HID kits in them all the time

Also if you retrofitted 2015 headlights into a 2013 audi I would be astonished if you got a ticket for that, only true enthusiasts will be able to tell the difference anyways

Folks in states that have mandatory vehicle inspections CARE!
you are fortunate in living in a state that only has mandatory emissions inspections.