[Needbmwpartzz]

Curious to heard thoughts/opinions/concerns and rants on this?
Canadian also chime in if you feel.
I certainly don't think this is a smooth move.....sure we loved to be thought of as a humanitarian country but I think we should help in any way we can from here without taking them in(why will no one closer take them?)
Help them with money/food shelter and help them establish a more stable form of gov't but to just totally transplant them into our culture would be a mistake IMHO.

[lens]

Originally Posted by Needbmwpartzz

Curious to heard thoughts/opinions/concerns and rants on this?
Canadian also chime in if you feel.
I certainly don't think this is a smooth move.....sure we loved to be thought of as a humanitarian country but I think we should help in any way we can from here without taking them in(why will no one closer take them?)
Help them with money/food shelter and help them establish a more stable form of gov't but to just totally transplant them into our culture would be a mistake IMHO.

I honestly think we should isolate an area, and setup refugee camps and keep them there till they pass background checks or the situation settles down at their country.

When I say isolate, I mean make sure the area is at least 500km or more away from a major city so they can't walk far without being caught, if they decide to illegally leave the camp.


Or if anything, keep them at a airport overseas, and if they pass the checks, throw them on the plane and have them come here.

[dcaron9999]

Very controversial subject for sure ...

Our new prime minister (Justin Trudeau) has a tough initial challenge on his hands. Early last week (before the Paris attack), JT set up a comittee of experts (security, immigration, financial, etc) to determine how to best manage these new Syrian immigrants.

Right now, Canadians are torn between accepting them (people in need), and rejecting them to avoid oppurtunistic infiltration by terrorists. There is actually a petition that just started, to reject the Syrian immigrants. The petition is gaining momentum after the November 13 Paris attack ...

See this article which sums up our current dilemma: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/canada-sti...235426205.html

[RABAUKE]

There are a number of issues that come out of the latest attacks in France. I think it's foolish to rush into settleing 25000 refugees to simply fulfill a campaign promise. Theres no way proper screening can be done, and you know that once they've landed on Canadian soil it will be next to impossilbe to remove them. You know the lawyer who represented Omar Kadhar will be fighting for them to stay. Our new PM is busy taking selfies the day after this terrorist attack, and I don't think he's called it terrorism yet, remember he refered to the attack on the soldiers "criminal acts" not terrorism. Hey, if you hurry though, you can still get a Justin Trudeau "Becasue it's 2015" t-shirt. I'm thinking the ad campaign was on the money, "he's just not ready".

http://www.liberal.ca/because-its-2015-t-shirt/

[MightyMouseTech]

I am for it, but don't cut any corners on background checks. Don't take the Greek governments word that they have been checked thoroughly.

Stopping the tide of refugees is exactly why these attacks happened.

[RABAUKE]

The real solution is to stabilize Syria, Iraq and the rest of the troubled spots.....

[Mr Tonka]

I typically don't comment on these types of issues. I would love to see a world where people of all nations peacefully coexist with each other. But that's not the reality we live in. Because of that, I'm personally against bringing any muslim refuges to North America.

I see a very small portion of everyday muslim life while getting a disproportional amount of everyday life for the muslim extremist. But often times perception becomes reality. If every terrorist attack we see in the news was perpetrated by Inuit tribesmen and every public beheading was perpetrated by Inuit tribesmen and every public execution was perpetrated by Inuit tribesmen and every time the person lighting the match to burn someone alive in a cage was an Inuit tribesmen, like it or not, we'd all develop a mistrust of Inuit tribesmen. That's just human nature, but when you couple that with the known intent of the muslim minority extremest, which is to destroy western civilization. I'd just prefer we play it as better safe than sorry at this point in time. BTW, the muslim extremist "minority" currently is upwards of 157,000,000 (almost half the US population) We can do a lot to help their situation in their own country. I don't think bringing them here is necessary.

There is a long video floating around on social media about muslim refuges. The video most certainly has propaganda within it and i'm almost certain not all of the video clips used are of muslim refuges. But on the other hand, i don't really doubt the actual claim of the video. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, but in order to open peoples eyes and gain interest it's been sensationalized.

Edit: Just found it on a FAR right wing nut site. But i still don't necessarily refute the overall message. I'm all for helping those in need, domestic and internationally, INCLUDING muslim refuges, but not in North America, not in this current political world climate. It seems that almost all people and religions can coexist together except for one, one that cant seem to peacefully coexist with any other. I also believe there is a lot to be said about the difference between a muslim person and muslim people. Much in the same way that a person with bigoted tendencies can be reasoned with, but people with bigoted tendencies, not so much.

Again, don't judge me for the video! It's just information, process it as you see fit.

http://buzzpo.com/this-is-the-most-d...will-ever-see/

[Mario_Kart]

I like to hear from the Canadians that voted for Trudeau. This guy is an idiot.

[lens]

Originally Posted by Mario_Kart

I like to hear from the Canadians that voted for Trudeau. This guy is an idiot.

To be honest, it was either him or harper.

And I sure as hell don't want harper in charge for another 4 years.

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by chaungo

To be honest, it was either him or harper.

And I sure as hell don't want harper in charge for another 4 years.

This! That tyrant is finally gone.

[Kwando]

I'm Canadian and completely against it for reasons that's in addition to the potential security threat.

I'm not fully aware of the plan's details but from what I've read/heard on the news is that it consists of providing X amount of dollars to every refugee for basic necessities plus temporary housing until they can find them permanent housing. Meanwhile, we already have countless low-income families who could benefit from those funds and those who are on (multiple) year-long waiting lists for housing. We have enough problems that need to be sorted out first, imo.

[Needbmwpartzz]

Originally Posted by Mario_Kart

I like to hear from the Canadians that voted for Trudeau. This guy is an idiot.

Care to share some supporting evidence to back your claim?

[Lups]

Shove the people into camps and you will help to create more bitter people.

The efforts they've gone through to get to Canada are something we don't understand even. You will gain great citizens and valuable assets because they are determined to make a better life for themselves. Do not lose this resource.

Finland has accepted refugees from all over the globe, and honestly nobody does as badly in immigrating them into the general population as we do. Our language alone makes people stand out since Finnish can't be learned. We just now have started to take steps into ensuring we will benefit from the new folks and that is a shame. Don't follow our footsteps.

[RABAUKE]

Originally Posted by Needbmwpartzz

Care to share some supporting evidence to back your claim?

I'm not sure you need to produce evidence to prove that 25000 refuges will have an impact on the economy. Mr Trudeau states that these refuges will create jobs, if any thing should be supported by evidence that assertion does. There are lots of noble reasons for wanting to help these folks but I think that we should think long an hard about the potential risks to bringing in 25000 (no doubt more to follow) people without properly screening them, not to mention that we have seniors in this country without proper and sufficient old age security. There are thousands of homeless people and people who are mentally ill who aren't getting the treatment they need. This is all fact and I guess evidence that these refugees will be a burden on us financially, all when we could be doing a much better job for people that live here already.

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by RABAUKE

I'm not sure you need to produce evidence to prove that 25000 refuges will have an impact on the economy. Mr Trudeau states that these refuges will create jobs, if any thing should be supported by evidence that assertion does. There are lots of noble reasons for wanting to help these folks but I think that we should think long an hard about the potential risks to bringing in 25000 (no doubt more to follow) people without properly screening them, not to mention that we have seniors in this country without proper and sufficient old age security. There are thousands of homeless people and people who are mentally ill who aren't getting the treatment they need. This is all fact and I guess evidence that these refugees will be a burden on us financially, all when we could be doing a much better job for people that live here already.

You realize these people are getting bombed, executed, entire families wiped out?

Hell of a lot worse than anything any Canadian is currently suffering.

[C5driver]

The problem is not, and never has been, refugees.

The problem is identifying radical elements which may be equally embedded among the incoming refugees or radicalized citizens that have no connection to the refugees whatsoever.

[lens]

Originally Posted by C5driver

The problem is not, and never has been, refugees.

The problem is identifying radical elements which may be equally embedded among the incoming refugees or radicalized citizens that have no connection to the refugees whatsoever.

This.


I have no problem with refugees. However as a member of the armed forces, I do NOT want to have to worry about my family at home while overseas. Most of us have enough to worry about.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

You realize these people are getting bombed, executed, entire families wiped out?

Hell of a lot worse than anything any Canadian is currently suffering.

Currently, yes.

[RABAUKE]

Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

You realize these people are getting bombed, executed, entire families wiped out?

Hell of a lot worse than anything any Canadian is currently suffering.

Yes I do, I also realize that you can't properly screen 25000 people in 5 weeks in any meaningful way. And I realize that getting radicals into any country posing as refugees is a real risk. Frankly, I'd rather not see a similar attack happening here in Canada.

[ASBSECU E93]

Originally Posted by C5driver

The problem is not, and never has been, refugees.

The problem is identifying radical elements which may be equally embedded among the incoming refugees or radicalized citizens that have no connection to the refugees whatsoever.

Agree.

The challenge - when one person is willing to sacrifice themselves for the sole purpose to kill others....it is almost impossible to stop this from happening.

The added element of not being able to distinguish radial from passive is far too great a risk. At some point - the safety and well being of our existing citizens have to take priority.

[UncleWede]

You guys picked Beiber as your PM???

Sure, you should let a bunch of refugees, whom I'm sure will ALL have lots a winter wear, come into your country.

[C5driver]

Originally Posted by ASBSECU E93

...it is almost impossible to stop this from happening.

I'd like to believe that an event of the magnitude and scale of 09/11 has not happened in our country for the past 14 years because of our intelligence services and the tools we have provided to them in the form of the Patriot Act.

A small scale attack on a church or mall, perhaps, but a coordinated attack like Paris, with several elements...probably and hopefully not.