[phunky_monkey]

Hey all,

As title says, I'm chasing a Wagner Competition or PWR intercooler for my 1M.

Also after a BMS catch can if anyone wants to offload theirs.

UPDATE: Purchased both, thanks E90 post!

Cheers,

Dane

[vtl]

Originally Posted by phunky_monkey

Hey all,

As title says, I'm chasing an aftermarket 'cooler for my 1M. 5 inch-variety only, and preferably something that doesn't require trimming.

Also after a BMS catch can if anyone wants to offload theirs.

I'll probably end up purchasing them new in a week or so, but thought I'd throw it out there just in case.

Cheers,

Dane

My thoughts having installed a few of the available intercoolers:

Most of the popular intercoolers require some form of cutting unfortunately. 5" stepped intercoolers don't require bumper trimming but most of them have silicone couplings instead of the stock style quick disconnects. This means you have to cut off your stock hose clamps with a rotary tool and wrestle the new silicone hoses in. If the hose gets damaged, then you won't be able to revert back to stock easily. All this work takes a surprisingly long time, took me over 4 hours to fit the VRSF and ATM intercoolers.

Not looking to sell mine, but I highly recommend the Wagner intercooler (EVO1 performance). Yeah its a bit pricey with the poor USD but it bolts right in. It has CNC stock style quick connects so its a true bolt in, no cutting job. I can remove/reinstall mine in 15 minutes. Since its so quick to install you'll probably save on the labour cost vs a VRSF/ATM which is cheaper but takes much longer to fit.

The Mishimoto intercooler also has the stock style quick couplings but it looks a bit small and doesn't look as good performance as the Wagner cooler.

The only downside of the stock quick disconnects is that the hose diameter is smaller and won't flow as much as the larger silicone pipes. But unless you have aftermarket turbos with upgraded inlets this won't matter at all.

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Agreed the installation may be a little harder.. and as you mentioned there are gains to be had here if you look from a scalability perspective with the amount of turbo/inlet/outlet upgrades out and coming out..

There have been reports that the replacement of the stock IC pipes have also improved throttle response as a result..

The best review that i've seen on the Wagner's is this thread here comparing them: http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...6#post18123946

I'm not convinced that the Wagner is any better than the high quality options that are already available in the market. Yes, they are made in Germany. However the extra $$ that you would pay for them does not equate to extra beenfits or performance.

[phunky_monkey]

Cheers for the feedback guys.

My main concern with the intercooler is ensuring there is not only an obvious lift in efficiency, but that there is no loss in throttle response and that the weight penalty hanging out over the front of the car is as little as possible.

I had briefly looked into the Wagner unit as the quick connectors are much more appealing to me but given the exchange rate at the moment I thought that it may be worthwhile spending a little extra again and getting the PWR bolt-in version. It's Australian made, race proven, and I'm sure the quality is right there along with the best. They can't give me a weight though, and it ain't cheap.

Thanks for the review on the Wagner, I hadn't seen that before. Looks like they do everything I'd want in Competition spec, so if I can't get the specs on the PWR that may be the go despite the price.

I have some VTT inlets ready to go onto the car, so I'll probably have these, a 'cooler and an intake done at the same time.

[vtl]

Just bear in mind only the Wagner EVO1 performance has the stock quick connects, the higher end Wagner models all use silicone couplings for higher flow.

Any pics of the PWR intercooler is it built to order only?

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I didn't know PWR offered an option for the n54? That's good to know if it is the case.

Bear in mind also, none of the inlets available on the market today are designed or incorporated for stock/factory coupler configuration.

[phunky_monkey]

Originally Posted by _ink

I didn't know PWR offered an option for the n54? That's good to know if it is the case.

Bear in mind also, none of the inlets available on the market today are designed or incorporated for stock/factory coupler configuration.

I didn't know that, thanks for the heads up.

Yep, they made one for the Lynton 1M production race car. They also made an oil cooler and radiator, so there's a few options for us.

Originally Posted by vtl

Just bear in mind only the Wagner EVO1 performance has the stock quick connects, the higher end Wagner models all use silicone couplings for higher flow.

Any pics of the PWR intercooler is it built to order only?

Ahhh gotcha, thanks for that Vince. Are you running an intake on your car?

Here's some pics of the PWR stuff. They're all built to order, with one bolting straight on, and the other requiring custom pipes.

Details straight from PWR below:

• PWI50790 (suit aftermarket piping) - $1595 inc GST
• PWI51088 (suit OEM piping) - $1815 inc GST

Although we don’t have any physical weights recorded on these, the type of lightweight tube we use in the core is typically at least half the weight of any bar & plate core intercooler and almost half the weight of our regular extruded tube & fin core.

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Originally Posted by phunky_monkey

I didn't know that, thanks for the heads up.

Yep, they made one for the Lynton 1M production race car. They also made an oil cooler and radiator, so there's a few options for us.

I've got a CSP radiator to be installed, as PWR don't have an auto/dct option of the radiator available.

However, I do like their oil cooler option there... would potenitally use this for the transmission cooler... Got more deets on that?

[Flex68]

Why does the oem pippin version cost more ???

[vtl]

That PWR radiator looks really nice, would be good to get a better cooling system for these cars. The BMW aux radiator that comes standard on a 1M is quite a pricey retrofit.

The PWR intercooler isn't stepped, looks like it would require cutting to fit into the bumper?

Originally Posted by Flex68

Why does the oem pippin version cost more ???

The normal version will just have a bead that a silicone hose will sit on with a hose clamp. Easy to manufacture and is pretty standard.

OEM piping uses a C clip and an oring seal. This is a complex shape that has to be machined on a CNC machine and is much harder to manufacture.

Originally Posted by phunky_monkey

Ahhh gotcha, thanks for that Vince. Are you running an intake on your car?

Just running the stock airbox with a BMC high flow oiled panel filter

[phunky_monkey]

Originally Posted by _ink

I've got a CSP radiator to be installed, as PWR don't have an auto/dct option of the radiator available.

However, I do like their oil cooler option there... would potenitally use this for the transmission cooler... Got more deets on that?

Unfortunately not. I was only enquiring about the intercooler option with PWR, but there may be some more info in the thread: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...R#post12432564

Might ask them about it too. Will let you know what they say

Originally Posted by vtl

That PWR radiator looks really nice, would be good to get a better cooling system for these cars. The BMW aux radiator that comes standard on a 1M is quite a pricey retrofit.

The PWR intercooler isn't stepped, looks like it would require cutting to fit into the bumper?

Does the 1M's radiator have the same outlet issue as yours when utilising a silicon joiner Vince? That is a concern as I don;t want to make maintenance more time consuming if I can.

I'll ask about modification to the bumper, but I believe from memory it may require a little trimming.

[vtl]

Originally Posted by phunky_monkey

Unfortunately not. I was only enquiring about the intercooler option with PWR, but there may be some more info in the thread: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...R#post12432564

Might ask them about it too. Will let you know what they say



Does the 1M's radiator have the same outlet issue as yours when utilising a silicon joiner Vince? That is a concern as I don;t want to make maintenance more time consuming if I can.

I'll ask about modification to the bumper, but I believe from memory it may require a little trimming.

You talking about how you have to remove the intercooler to access the radiator drain plug on these cars? Yeah the 1M has the same radiator and intercooler as a 135 so would have the same issue.

[phunky_monkey]

Originally Posted by vtl

You talking about how you have to remove the intercooler to access the radiator drain plug on these cars? Yeah the 1M has the same radiator and intercooler as a 135 so would have the same issue.

Yep...bugger.

[martymil]

Coming Soon!!!!!!!

Little sneak peak from jd75 and advan

Now this is an IC

[phunky_monkey]

Wow, that's a monster! Is that what you're looking at for yours Marty?

[martymil]

Yep it's a monster, it has incredible performance too

[phunky_monkey]

What does it weigh?? Must be getting up there just due to sheer size.

[martymil]

Not much tube and fin

No specs yet

[phunky_monkey]

Keen to see the results mate

[E85 335]

Originally Posted by martymil

Yep it's a monster, it has incredible performance too

Whats the price and what hp?

[martymil]

Jd75 has to chime in on that

[Bbqbob]

You sure it's not a radiator? Lol