[Sixfiggaz]

Hey guys,

Can i run Vargas Stage 1 turbo without any mods, or tune. Just simple bolting turbos and hardware?

Stock 335i

[ferocity02]

Originally Posted by Sixfiggaz

Hey guys,

Can i run Vargas Stage 1 turbo without any mods, or tune. Just simple bolting turbos and hardware?

Stock 335i

Yes but what's the point?

If that is your situation then just get OEM turbos or rebuilt turbos. They will last longer than VTT.

[TrollToll]

Originally Posted by ferocity02

Yes but what's the point?

If that is your situation then just get OEM turbos or rebuilt turbos. They will last longer than VTT.

I second that. Some ghave luck using Vargas stuff but I would never take that chance. Better to use a respectable company.

[bradsm87]

Stock turbo is better as the factory tune is built for factory turbos. If you're not planning to do further mods, there's no point.

[rgfinn76]

Originally Posted by Yournamehere90

I second that. Some ghave luck using Vargas stuff but I would never take that chance. Better to use a respectable company.

I'm in the same boat looking for OEM replacements... Besides paying an arm and leg at the dealer what are some other options?

[TrollToll]

Originally Posted by rgfinn76

I'm in the same boat looking for OEM replacements... Besides paying an arm and leg at the dealer what are some other options?

Check out hexon

[ferocity02]

Contact Pure, they may be able to do a simple rebuild and maybe even do their wastegate mod for a reasonable price.

Otherwise new OEM replacements will run you around $1500.

[Torgus]

Turner sells oem replacements for like a grand. I vote hexon.

Stay away from vtt.

[AK.]

Originally Posted by Torgus

Turner sells oem replacements for like a grand. I vote hexon.

Stay away from vtt.

Hexon RR600!

[Gohan335i7]

RB, Hexon, pure, Oem, or precision turbos. Don't think I have heard a positive review of turbos from VTT.

[TrollToll]

Originally Posted by Gohan335i7

RB, Hexon, pure, Oem, or precision turbos. Don't think I have heard a positive review of turbos from VTT.

There are some Vargas leg humpers, mostly on juiceboxtech

[Flex68]

If you dont plan any mods then go oem

[pits200]

While vargas is sometimes passionate in his responses, you guys really think his products suck that much and he still is in business producing new tech?

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by pits200

While vargas is sometimes passionate in his responses, you guys really think his products suck that much and he still is in business producing new tech?

Yup. It's not just the product. Checkered past involving beating up a teenage girl, caught lying, being a general dbag every chance he gets, over promising under performing. The list goes on. I like the hpfp upgrade for hundreds of $ which did nothing mind you and he just drilled out two orifices and called it an upgrade. Using customer money to pay to design and manufacture a twin turbo kit which 3 years and no one is running after 6 months of its release. The only company that is hates the kit and had to modify it. Seriously the list goes on and on.

Use them if you want. There is a reason VTT is banned on basically every BMW forum this one included. I wonder why...

Finally he just stated a month ago he can't wait to leave this platform behind and move on to the Mustang etc. So yeah go buy products from someone who want to leave the platform.

You can also just search and read the horror story threads on this forum.

[Grand_hustle17]

Why not go turbolab?... They are oem replacements with the proper upgrades and i believe they were like $750. And should even make a tad more than oem

[cortez08]

I am not going to run port or TB injection so I think I am just going to stick with stage 1. Anything bigger seems to be pointless from a fueling standpoint. I have given up hope on any injector programming.

Can anyone explain the differences in the stage 1 offerings versus OEM?

I am assuming both Hexon and Vargas are now using 14T but I see Vargas clips.

[Fundguy1]

I have 2+ vargas. No problems. My buddy has stage 2. Loves them.

[Grand_hustle17]

Originally Posted by cortez08

I am not going to run port or TB injection so I think I am just going to stick with stage 1. Anything bigger seems to be pointless from a fueling standpoint. I have given up hope on any injector programming.

Can anyone explain the differences in the stage 1 offerings versus OEM?

I am assuming both Hexon and Vargas are now using 14T but I see Vargas clips.

I believe the same for hexon. They previously revised their stg1... If its to stay pretty much stock id say go the turbolab route.

[pits200]

People always think new = better. Sometimes it just means there aren't enough reviews on the market.

[bradsm87]

Originally Posted by cortez08

I am not going to run port or TB injection so I think I am just going to stick with stage 1. Anything bigger seems to be pointless from a fueling standpoint. I have given up hope on any injector programming.

Can anyone explain the differences in the stage 1 offerings versus OEM?

I am assuming both Hexon and Vargas are now using 14T but I see Vargas clips.

Vargas do clip but Hexon appear to use a new stock sized turbine wheel but its blade profile looks higher flowing. Same number of blades but you can see gaps between them. My internet is dropping in and out constantly and takes a minute to load a web page but there are pics on a fairly recent thread on bim mer boost.

[bradsm87]

Originally Posted by cortez08

I am not going to run port or TB injection so I think I am just going to stick with stage 1. Anything bigger seems to be pointless from a fueling standpoint. I have given up hope on any injector programming.

There are still BIG gains to be had from Stage 1 to Stage 2 turbos without PI or TBI. Firstly, bigger turbos require less boost to make the same power and everything runs cooler (IAT, heat conducted into the coolant/oil and EGT). This allows you to run a bit leaner, slightly lowering the fuel flow requirement. It also allows you to run a lower % mix of Ethanol and still be able to run decent timing. The lower Ethanol % also lowers fuel flow requirement. I don't know the specific numbers but here's a very generalised example:

Stage 1 turbos might be able to get 490whp on 23psi on E60 with very high shaft speed.

Stage 2 turbos might be able to get 540whp on 22psi on E40 on the same car with the same fuel flow.

Originally Posted by cortez08

Can anyone explain the differences in the stage 1 offerings versus OEM?

I am assuming both Hexon and Vargas are now using 14T but I see Vargas clips.

Stock has a 10TK3 46mm compressor wheel. Vargas and Hexon Stage 1 have a 14T 51mm compressor wheel which flows more air, heats the charge air less at high RPM/boost and lowers shaft speed at high RPM/boost, making the turbine side work more efficiently. They then have clipped (Vargas) or different blade profile (Hexon) turbines to reduce backpressure at high RPM/boost.

If you want to run anything above 380whp, Stage 1 turbos will do this more effortlessly and efficiently than stock turbos.

[Sixfiggaz]

Just wanted to let everyone know im going with Hexon, I considered turbolabs, as they are similar to Dinan, but if I'm going to spend that money i'd rather go with the company who almost no one had anything bad to say about.