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      06-18-2016, 11:15 PM   #1
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Help diagnosing white smoke.

Ok so i recently started having really bad smoking. Seems the smoke is even more when the car sat n cooled over night. As soon as i turn the car on white smoke comes out the exhaust. Excessive white smoke. I am FBO w/ inlets and outlets. 2 mo old hexxons. Run 50/50 E85 mix. 2mo old RB PCV valve. Just finally got most the kinks out and ready to log when after the 1st 3 pulls i noticed excessive smoking. Im immediately leaning towards turbos but the more i go along the more doubt i get. Sometimes only from 1 exhaust then sometimes both are smoking like an active volcano or chimney lol. Just tell me no turbo lol

I will try to upload vid the night it started and a vid the next morning on start up
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Burning white smoke is coolant
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      06-19-2016, 07:56 AM   #3
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How it was burning when it first happen and engine was already warmed up



How it looked the next morning when engine is cold



0 miles driven between the night before and the morning
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      06-19-2016, 08:16 AM   #4
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Ok so i recently started having really bad smoking. Seems the smoke is even more when the car sat n cooled over night. As soon as i turn the car on white smoke comes out the exhaust. Excessive white smoke. I am FBO w/ inlets and outlets. 2 mo old hexxons. Run 50/50 E85 mix. 2mo old RB PCV valve. Just finally got most the kinks out and ready to log when after the 1st 3 pulls i noticed excessive smoking. Im immediately leaning towards turbos but the more i go along the more doubt i get. Sometimes only from 1 exhaust then sometimes both are smoking like an active volcano or chimney lol. Just tell me no turbo lol

I will try to upload vid the night it started and a vid the next morning on start up
Need more details. How many miles on the car, any fault codes showing up? Smell the smoke, don't inhale -.- ...does it smell almost sweet? If so that's coolant burning. What I had was a buildup of gas in the cats and when I started it my exhaust was smoking like crazy. Check your spark plugs, what color are they. Lean? Rich? there's another thread somewhere here about a boost leak potentially causing this smoke
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      06-19-2016, 08:21 AM   #5
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Has a weird burning smell. Car has 97K miles and no CEL
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Could be a turbo leak or coolant leak. Check your fluid levels
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      06-19-2016, 09:08 AM   #7
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Could be a turbo leak or coolant leak. Check your fluid levels
+1. And hope it's oil. Thats just a turbo upgrade. Coolant us a new engine.
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Could be a turbo leak or coolant leak. Check your fluid levels
+1. And hope it's oil. Thats just a turbo upgrade. Coolant us a new engine.
Oil would make a funky blue smoke and if you pull a spark plug out you should see dark coloring if not almost black. Not sure it's the issue :/
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Pull your downpipes and check for oil on the turbine wheel and housing. If so could be blown turbo seal. Then you can check for shaft play to confirm. How many miles on turbos?

Burning smell is usually burning oil. Also coolant smoke/vapor will tend to disappear quickly where oil smoke will linger.

If you suspect it's coolant which I don't think it is, open your coolant tank cap to see if you got chocolate milk in there which would mean you have coolant in oil and somewhere a head gasket or oil filter housing gasket has failed. Same thing drain a little oil from the oil pan to see if straight oil or mixed "chocolate milk" look. If so, don't run the car a single mile more to avoid blowing the engine.
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Pull your downpipes and check for oil on the turbine wheel and housing. If so could be blown turbo seal. Then you can check for shaft play to confirm. How many miles on turbos?

Burning smell is usually burning oil. Also coolant smoke/vapor will tend to disappear quickly where oil smoke will linger.

If you suspect it's coolant which I don't think it is, open your coolant tank cap to see if you got chocolate milk in there which would mean you have coolant in oil and somewhere a head gasket or oil filter housing gasket has failed. Same thing drain a little oil from the oil pan to see if straight oil or mixed "chocolate milk" look. If so, don't run the car a single mile more to avoid blowing the engine.
Turbos may have 1-2000 miles tops lol
Took off plugs but only cyl3 had oil residue
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Pull your downpipes and check for oil on the turbine wheel and housing. If so could be blown turbo seal. Then you can check for shaft play to confirm. How many miles on turbos?

Burning smell is usually burning oil. Also coolant smoke/vapor will tend to disappear quickly where oil smoke will linger.

If you suspect it's coolant which I don't think it is, open your coolant tank cap to see if you got chocolate milk in there which would mean you have coolant in oil and somewhere a head gasket or oil filter housing gasket has failed. Same thing drain a little oil from the oil pan to see if straight oil or mixed "chocolate milk" look. If so, don't run the car a single mile more to avoid blowing the engine.
Turbos may have 1-2000 miles tops lol
Took off plugs but only cyl3 had oil residue
That's your coil packs, pull the spark plugs
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      06-19-2016, 02:47 PM   #12
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Hey MMP guys. Kudos for stepping up. They were the most helpful vendor I've dealt with so far. Good stuff.
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      06-19-2016, 04:00 PM   #13
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I had pulled off the plugs 3 days prior to today.. Had oil in the cyl bay from n oil over spill from not using a funnel before. Not a lot but i cleaned it up with a rag and car seemed to be fine since. Got coils n changed and went for a few logs then this happened
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Hey MMP guys. Kudos for stepping up. They were the most helpful vendor I've dealt with so far. Good stuff.
+1 hence i got their outlets lol. Think they were 1st to respond
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Really bad VCG? Maybe leaking into the spark plug hole?
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      06-19-2016, 06:37 PM   #16
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Really bad VCG? Maybe leaking into the spark plug hole?
Thats what i initially thought. Doesnt seem like it
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I had pulled off the plugs 3 days prior to today.. Had oil in the cyl bay from n oil over spill from not using a funnel before. Not a lot but i cleaned it up with a rag and car seemed to be fine since. Got coils n changed and went for a few logs then this happened
Ok cool. Well when I blow my ringland in my engine and smoke was pouring out like that my plug was covered in oil but the engine would miss like a mother and it was obvious the engine had blown.

I suspect turbos but don't know until you drop your DPs and report back.

Thanks to the kind words from you and others. Being in this platform since 2008 and going through a lot of issues and learning from others I try to pass it on and help others where I can giving advice, pointers, reading logs etc. just trying to help.
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      06-23-2016, 11:15 PM   #18
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Update: Both turbos are blown, seals blown and major shaft play according to the shop.

Kind of sucks that i went the hexon route because everyone gave such great feedback. Wayne is very good at getting back to customers i will agree but i cant see how that eases my mind when i just paid a boat load to upgrade, waited for 2 months and the turbos only lasted 2 months. I dont think its fair to have to pay for labor again for turbos. Who knows how long this nightmare will last. Whats crazy is i drive an accord on a daily basis thats about to have its timing belt service done so thats down and now this is down which leaves me to catch uber or lyft to work until further notice. Havent been a rewarding experience i will say that much

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stuff like this just makes me want to go the OEM turbos route. I don't think there is enough data to support Hexon turbos have longevity since they just came out. The reviews are based off a very small sample.
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Seem single turbo route is more reliable than hybrids
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      06-24-2016, 08:58 AM   #21
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IdkY everyone screams hexon and pure. Both are new to n54 at least. A year of so at most. Hexon are made in China. RB and VTT are the two long standing makers. RB someone said was getting nasty but I've only experienced good from him. Same with VTT and now VTT has a new front man to handle customer stuff. Good guy so far. I have VTT 2+ and love them. My buddies have VTT 2 for 2 years and RB for years no problems.
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stuff like this just makes me want to go the OEM turbos route. I don't think there is enough data to support Hexon turbos have longevity since they just came out. The reviews are based off a very small sample.
What sucks is, you have a bunch of reviews when the turbo is new and just past break in. No real follow up reviews and if and when someones turbos blew up theyll never post about it because it totally contradicts the reciew thread they wouldve made and i guess thats embarassing. Just my speculations though. Honestly if single turbo routes werent so expensive i would go that route. I still dont want to go back to OEM because you get use to the power and progress. Once you upgrade turbos its a pay to play field and i get that but a turbo blowing out in 2 months with maybe 1000-2000 miles tops is unacceptable.
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