[Shadow007]

So I have a quick question regarding a stage 3 lpfp and PI. So I'm currently waiting on the MMP stage 3 turbo to be released and until then I still have time to get everything in order for the install. My power goal is to have at least a ~600 whp DD or damn near close. The question that I want to know is that is it required to have a stage 3 lpfp using PI or is it more recommended? I currently have a stage 2 lpfp and I wanted to know would that be suffice for what I want? Granted having both would be ideal but at the same time would a stage 2 be able to support the low end side? I already asked about a stage 2 lpfp and the TBI kit and that idea was shot down. Thanks

[Fundguy1]

I needed both for my VTT 2+. Vargas is working on something now though. Until and if it comes, you really need both for over 600rwhp. I should be able to get to close to 700 rwhp with my setup shortly

[Shadow007]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

I needed both for my VTT 2+. Vargas is working on something now though. Until and if it comes, you really need both for over 600rwhp. I should be able to get to close to 700 rwhp with my setup shortly

Ehh...I'm not to VTT friendly as of now. I've had a few set backs within the last few years, but that's in the past. I actually found some information regarding the BMS Fuel-it PI kit and according to the description I should be good. "For up to 600whp the Fuel-It Stage1 low pressure kit is required. For higher power levels the Fuel-It Stage3 low pressure kit is required. The Fuel-It Stage2 falls somewhere in between in terms of power support." Being that I have a stage 2 I should be in the clear...possibly.

[Fundguy1]

Ask Steve from fuel-it. He's really straight up and responsive. The oem does 0.8 gallons/min. Stage 2 does 1.2 gallons. Stage 3 does 2.4. It's a double pumper.

[MM Performance]

So turbos are going for sale this week, probably Friday since I will provide a WPC bearing treatment option I'm going to offer the turbos for sale just before they go to VSR balance I can swap in the upgraded WPC bearings for those that opt for that upgrade. Keep in mind all my turbos come with upgraded thrust bearings as a standard. Turbos are basically done at this point

For fueling, if going straight e85, stage 2 lpfp only gets you to about 500whp, stage 3 alone gets you maybe 50whp more, stage 3 with PI gets you to 600 whp and higher.

Also I have drawings and am in early stages in developing a PI kit to hopefully bring to market in 6 months or less, looking to be the lowest cost PI by far, I think current offerings are too overpriced for what they are, they were the right price when new to recoup development cost I guess but now with their maturity in the market someone has to drive the price down

I may or may not look into stage 3 LPFP depending on where some new options come in price wise. The dominant player in the LPFP space I think is a bit overpriced, kind of same comment as above, although he does put out a great product.

Would be sweet if I could eventually develop all this stuff and have a one stop shop with a complete boost and fuel stage kit that comes with turbos, inlets, outlets, and fueling needs

[Fundguy1]

Work it. I've been piecing together stuff as it comes out from multiple vendors including you. Be nice to have it all fit with eachildren other too my installer would say.

[Shadow007]

Originally Posted by MM Performance

So turbos are going for sale this week, probably Friday since I will provide a WPC bearing treatment option I'm going to offer the turbos for sale just before they go to VSR balance I can swap in the upgraded WPC bearings for those that opt for that upgrade. Keep in mind all my turbos come with upgraded thrust bearings as a standard. Turbos are basically done at this point

For fueling, if going straight e85, stage 2 lpfp only gets you to about 500whp, stage 3 alone gets you maybe 50whp more, stage 3 with PI gets you to 600 whp and higher.

Also I have drawings and am in early stages in developing a PI kit to hopefully bring to market in 6 months or less, looking to be the lowest cost PI by far, I think current offerings are too overpriced for what they are, they were the right price when new to recoup development cost I guess but now with their maturity in the market someone has to drive the price down

I may or may not look into stage 3 LPFP depending on where some new options come in price wise. The dominant player in the LPFP space I think is a bit overpriced, kind of same comment as above, although he does put out a great product.

Would be sweet if I could eventually develop all this stuff and have a one stop shop with a complete boost and fuel stage kit that comes with turbos, inlets, outlets, and fueling needs

So with everything I have ~600whp isn't attainable with a stage 2 pump and PI? I just read off another forum regarding the BMS Fuel It PI and it says "For up to 600whp the Fuel-It Stage1 low pressure kit is required. For higher power levels the Fuel-It Stage3 low pressure kit is required. The Fuel-It Stage2 falls somewhere in between in terms of power support." I'm confused now. I would surly think that I would be able to get close to ~ 600whp with all the supporting mods.

[NA55]

Originally Posted by Shadow007

So with everything I have ~600whp isn't attainable with a stage 2 pump and PI? I just read off another forum regarding the BMS Fuel It PI and it says "For up to 600whp the Fuel-It Stage1 low pressure kit is required. For higher power levels the Fuel-It Stage3 low pressure kit is required. The Fuel-It Stage2 falls somewhere in between in terms of power support." I'm confused now. I would surly think that I would be able to get close to ~ 600whp with all the supporting mods.

The estimates are based on 100% E85.. If running lower ethanol mixes around 65%, then I'm sure you can reach your WHP goals with PI and a stage 2 LPFP.. It can be done, but it will take a better tuner to make it work..

[Shadow007]

Originally Posted by NA55

The estimates are based on 100% E85.. If running lower ethanol mixes around 65%, then I'm sure you can reach your WHP goals with PI and a stage 2 LPFP.. It can be done, but it will take a better tuner to make it work..

Ok cool! I was planning on getting a MHD tune by Wedge and drop the JB4 and meth kit. He seems to have received a lot of positive reviews over the years so hopefully he can make it happen.

[Grand_hustle17]

Run E60 and those turbos should def give you over 600whp easily