why are there so many people selling their M4/M3?

recce · 09-20-2016, 07:01 AM

Humm.......Been looking at carsales lately and found that there are lots of M4/M3 for sale. Is there a problem with these cars?

miro67 · 09-20-2016, 07:07 AM

Had exactly the same experience and thought on the weekend.

Also had the same thought about the Jag F type.

Delta0311 · 09-20-2016, 07:07 AM

Well it is a BMW... So rolling the dice with option of catastrophic failure is always part of the fun.

Avex · 09-20-2016, 07:08 AM

even with the new BMWs? I'm sure a m4 would still be under dealer warranty now...

bradsm87 · 09-20-2016, 07:21 AM

That's pretty normal. They've been around for a while now. The amount of vehicles available for sale used goes up and up as time goes by, until they become more rare, then they drop off again.

A lot of people have a shitload of coin and just buy the latest and greatest brand new when it comes out then get over it after a couple of years and move on to something else.

EB89 · 09-20-2016, 08:06 AM

Leases expiring

Trev88 · 09-20-2016, 08:12 AM

Anyone buying an e90/92 m3 can buy my brand new b12 suspension I bought wrongly

miro67 · 09-20-2016, 05:34 PM

There are currently 90(!) used M3 and M4's currently for sale that are used and less than 20 months old. That seems to be a huge number.

satz · 09-20-2016, 08:47 PM

Maybe all the rich IT contractors reaching the end of their car leases and waiting to get the newest model?

miro67 · 09-20-2016, 09:16 PM

Car leases generally run for three years, all these cars are less than 2 years old, so its not a lease expiry issue.

DR-JEKL · 09-20-2016, 09:51 PM

AFAIK there is a few small known issues with the S55, but like our N54's they certainly have a few issues also.

I think you're looking into it too much, these cars for sale would be for guys upgrading to the latest and greatest, they could be upgrading to the LCI comp pack M3/4, they could have decided they can longer afford the lease repyaments, relocating O/S etc etc

The M3/4's aren't for sale as there is some inherent issue with them I believe it would be due to the typical aforementioned factors.

Coupes33 · 09-21-2016, 05:52 AM

Some of these guys could be selling them to get into a M2 which is a similar size to our E92 and by all accounts more fun to drive.

thebatman · 09-21-2016, 10:06 AM

I ain't.

Only way its gone is if I upgrade to next gen M3/4

mmmmQuattro · 09-21-2016, 11:51 PM

Well, I can give you my opinion after about 8 months of ownership:
1. It does seem more reliable than the N54; especially if you follow the M4 boards, there's not too many issues that come up.
2. It's a very noisy car in the cabin - it's got very little in terms of noise isolation for such a new car. This is by design. It provides the driver with a very connected to the road feel (other than the steering). This could be an issue why people are changing. It might be too raw for them, especially if they drive a lot on crappy roads.
3. Inconsistent power and hard sometimes to get the power down. It generates a lot of power sometimes, but on other settings, it can be less than a 335 or 340. Getting the power down is often a challenge, but always fun.

The way it lights up the rear tyres is very different to the 335.

I went from a 94 911 into BMW's about 15 years ago and this M4 is the most like the 74 911, as it is the least refined and most raw.

For people who like refinement and speed, the M4 might not be for them.

SuperSport · 12-04-2016, 08:13 PM

I drove an M4 with DP's and a JB4 on Map7.. On cold tires the car is useless and the rims and tires were upgraded. boost hits quick and the dct is shifting so fast that it keeps the engine right in peak torque which keep the tires spinning. I like it can, get loose quickly

Ivahnn · 12-07-2016, 06:36 PM

The overall economy is down at the moment and you will probably find that people are starting to feel the pinch so are selling items that will free up their cashflow, hence more of these comming onto the market.

Socket · 12-08-2016, 12:01 AM

Wake me when they drop to $30,000

Boganian Rubes · 12-08-2016, 02:48 AM

How else would they all get the money to buy my car

e36mmm · 12-08-2016, 03:41 AM

This ^

Trev88 · 12-09-2016, 06:28 AM

Lol usually Chinese students heading back to china

Mayuri Krab · 12-11-2016, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trev88

Lol usually Chinese students heading back to china

Only the "Rich 2Nd generation" ones who's parents are rich and powerful government officials back home.

328skidpad · 07-13-2017, 04:00 PM

I will say that I was so excited to buy the m4 when it can to the showrooms and was the first customer to go for a test drive by myself. After 5 min of driving i felt that it drove like a 335 m-sport on steroids. The steering numb and it felt like a video game.

I then drove a 2015 911 and I felt like I was driving a executive car, it was fun but it felt like a executive car.

the only car that puts a smile on my face every time is my 15 boxster gts and my 05 m3.

I have 4 friends that bought the m4 in past 2 years and all 4 of them sold them after 9 months because the car has no "soul" or character, it is just a point and shoot car which can get boring.
I have not driven the e92 m3 yet which I think would be an awesome daily driver like my e46 m3
thanks for looking..

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recce Second Lieutenant 24 Rep 224 Posts Drives: 135i & 335i Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sydney, Australia iTrader: (0)	why are there so many people selling their M4/M3? Humm.......Been looking at carsales lately and found that there are lots of M4/M3 for sale. Is there a problem with these cars? __________________ 2009 E90 335i / JB4 G5 ISO / M3 front sway bar / AFE DCI / Air Scoop / BC-BR Coilover /
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miro67 Private First Class 21 Rep 168 Posts Drives: e93 335i Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: sydney iTrader: (0)	Had exactly the same experience and thought on the weekend. Also had the same thought about the Jag F type.
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Delta0311 Banned 7484 Rep 10,119 Posts Drives: 2011 BMW 335xi E92 2016 228xi Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NJ iTrader: (1)	Well it is a BMW... So rolling the dice with option of catastrophic failure is always part of the fun.
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Avex Second Lieutenant 56 Rep 219 Posts Drives: F22 M235i AW Join Date: May 2016 Location: Perth, WA iTrader: (0)	even with the new BMWs? I'm sure a m4 would still be under dealer warranty now...
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bradsm87 Lieutenant Colonel 603 Rep 1,693 Posts Drives: F25 LCI xDrive30d Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Australia iTrader: (0)	That's pretty normal. They've been around for a while now. The amount of vehicles available for sale used goes up and up as time goes by, until they become more rare, then they drop off again. A lot of people have a shitload of coin and just buy the latest and greatest brand new when it comes out then get over it after a couple of years and move on to something else.
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Trev88 Lieutenant Colonel 183 Rep 1,543 Posts Drives: 320d e90 LCI Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Melbourne iTrader: (0)	Anyone buying an e90/92 m3 can buy my brand new b12 suspension I bought wrongly
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09-20-2016, 05:34 PM	#8
miro67 Private First Class 21 Rep 168 Posts Drives: e93 335i Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: sydney iTrader: (0)	There are currently 90(!) used M3 and M4's currently for sale that are used and less than 20 months old. That seems to be a huge number.
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09-20-2016, 08:47 PM	#9
satz Lieutenant Colonel 365 Rep 1,679 Posts Drives: 2019 BMW X3 M40i Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: A land down under iTrader: (0)	Maybe all the rich IT contractors reaching the end of their car leases and waiting to get the newest model?
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09-20-2016, 09:16 PM	#10
miro67 Private First Class 21 Rep 168 Posts Drives: e93 335i Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: sydney iTrader: (0)	Car leases generally run for three years, all these cars are less than 2 years old, so its not a lease expiry issue.
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DR-JEKL Major General 909 Rep 6,285 Posts Drives: Space Grey E92 335i 6MT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Newcastle Ozstraylia iTrader: (3)	AFAIK there is a few small known issues with the S55, but like our N54's they certainly have a few issues also. I think you're looking into it too much, these cars for sale would be for guys upgrading to the latest and greatest, they could be upgrading to the LCI comp pack M3/4, they could have decided they can longer afford the lease repyaments, relocating O/S etc etc The M3/4's aren't for sale as there is some inherent issue with them I believe it would be due to the typical aforementioned factors.
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Coupes33 Major 378 Rep 1,398 Posts Drives: 2006 335i, 2017 Audi S3 Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Brisbane, QLD, Australia iTrader: (0)	Some of these guys could be selling them to get into a M2 which is a similar size to our E92 and by all accounts more fun to drive.
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09-21-2016, 10:06 AM	#13
thebatman Private 36 Rep 78 Posts Drives: BMW ///M Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Australia iTrader: (0)	I ain't. Only way its gone is if I upgrade to next gen M3/4
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mmmmQuattro Major 265 Rep 1,169 Posts Drives: f83 / E93 335 / E70 X5 40d Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Adelaide, South Australia iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 320 E91 M-Spor ... [0.00] 2009 335-E93 M-Sport [0.00]	Well, I can give you my opinion after about 8 months of ownership: 1. It does seem more reliable than the N54; especially if you follow the M4 boards, there's not too many issues that come up. 2. It's a very noisy car in the cabin - it's got very little in terms of noise isolation for such a new car. This is by design. It provides the driver with a very connected to the road feel (other than the steering). This could be an issue why people are changing. It might be too raw for them, especially if they drive a lot on crappy roads. 3. Inconsistent power and hard sometimes to get the power down. It generates a lot of power sometimes, but on other settings, it can be less than a 335 or 340. Getting the power down is often a challenge, but always fun. The way it lights up the rear tyres is very different to the 335. I went from a 94 911 into BMW's about 15 years ago and this M4 is the most like the 74 911, as it is the least refined and most raw. For people who like refinement and speed, the M4 might not be for them.
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SuperSport Lieutenant 49 Rep 456 Posts Drives: '20 X3MC, '16 Cayenne S Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Redondo Beach, CA iTrader: (5) Garage List 2006 330i [0.00]	I drove an M4 with DP's and a JB4 on Map7.. On cold tires the car is useless and the rims and tires were upgraded. boost hits quick and the dct is shifting so fast that it keeps the engine right in peak torque which keep the tires spinning. I like it can, get loose quickly __________________ '20 X3MC -Bm3 Stg1 91, dragy 11.10@124.91 (0-60 3.20),'16 Cayenne S - Sold, Last edited by SuperSport; 12-04-2016 at 08:44 PM..
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Ivahnn Private 13 Rep 60 Posts Drives: N55 335i Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Perth iTrader: (0)	The overall economy is down at the moment and you will probably find that people are starting to feel the pinch so are selling items that will free up their cashflow, hence more of these comming onto the market.
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12-08-2016, 12:01 AM	#17
Socket Lieutenant General 4682 Rep 11,956 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Australia iTrader: (4) Garage List 2008 BMW E92 [0.00]	Wake me when they drop to $30,000
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Boganian Rubes Lieutenant Coal Burner 162 Rep 1,639 Posts Drives: 2008 BMW 320d e90 Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Australia, Melbourne iTrader: (0)	How else would they all get the money to buy my car
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Trev88 Lieutenant Colonel 183 Rep 1,543 Posts Drives: 320d e90 LCI Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Melbourne iTrader: (0)	Lol usually Chinese students heading back to china
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07-13-2017, 04:00 PM	#22
328skidpad Lieutenant 55 Rep 495 Posts Drives: 328xi e350 Z4M X3 M40 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Princeton NJ iTrader: (0)	good question I will say that I was so excited to buy the m4 when it can to the showrooms and was the first customer to go for a test drive by myself. After 5 min of driving i felt that it drove like a 335 m-sport on steroids. The steering numb and it felt like a video game. I then drove a 2015 911 and I felt like I was driving a executive car, it was fun but it felt like a executive car. the only car that puts a smile on my face every time is my 15 boxster gts and my 05 m3. I have 4 friends that bought the m4 in past 2 years and all 4 of them sold them after 9 months because the car has no "soul" or character, it is just a point and shoot car which can get boring. I have not driven the e92 m3 yet which I think would be an awesome daily driver like my e46 m3 thanks for looking..
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