[lilg1993]

Welcome to my build thread
let's give this a shot, shall we?

So I finally got my hands on a 335is...something I have been wanting to do for a while now, since I decided I wasn't finished with the N54 yet and my '07 e93 with 90k and a bad tranny could go any day.

picked up a 2011 e92 335is with 21k miles; LMB; black interior; 7DCT; perched on staggered 19" 313M's

I flew to Chicago to pick up the car on 9/17/16 after test driving it a week and a half prior. began the solo (and very lonesome) 850+ mile drive back to Long Island that night. While driving through western Ohio, I received my first of potentially many speeding tickets with the new car (97 in a 70 yikes...stupid radar detector never made a peep ). stopped at a quality inn in [middle of nowhere] (how do I do a strikethrough...?) Fremont, OH for the night soon after that, as I was pretty pissed off.

after stuffing myself full of as many carbs as I could handle at the only breakfast chain (iHop/Denny's) for a hundred or so miles, I hit the road again at about 1pm. for those who don't know it; PA is fucking massive. and boring as all hell to drive through. I narrowly escaped getting caught in a 3-car wreck in central PA while driving in a torrential downpour that afternoon after some guy in a civic hatch decided it was a good idea to go 80 down a hill and hydroplaned across I-80 into the guardrail. after contemplating abandoning the car on the side of the road and heading for the nearest airport multiple times, I toughed it out with only a few quick food/rest stops and made it back home shortly after 11pm Sunday night...only 1 energy drink required

I'll end my first post here as it is far too late and I should not be up anyway. I'll get better at this...sorry for the boring story, but I needed to share some of my loneliness.

TLDR: PA is massive; don't drive 80mph in the rain on go-kart tires; don't make 12+ hour drives alone and with a busted radar detector, they're no fun

[lilg1993]

So, where do I start with this one?

I picked up the car knowing that there were a couple of things not 100% perfect with the car (but when is that ever the case with used cars anyway, right?)

1. It only came with one key fob
2. The rear window shade did not move up or down (it was stuck up, which was annoying, but bearable)
3. A rear seat latch cover was missing ( part #52206970744; cheap and easy replacement)
4. The seals around the windshield and rear windows were a bit cracked, but they're cheap to replace
5. The paint up by the reflectors on the fornt bumpers was a bit crinkled, but I did not think much of it
6. The front bumper didn't sit quite as close to the hood as it should from the factory...a common problem when the bumper is removed and put back on on e9x's

these issues turned out to be just the tip of a very large iceberg

as I drove home I started to notice a couple of other issues that would not bear themselves on a short test drive...

1. The AC seemed quite picky...sometimes it would blow nicely, other times, not so much. it seemed like every other time I turned it on, it would blow properly, and other times barely at all
2. The aluminum trim panel to the right of the steering wheel was loose, likely due to a broken clip (I later reasoned this to be the cause of the finnicky AC)
3. The aluminum trim panel on the driver door was also a bt loose, robably due to a broken clip. I was afraid of getting my foot snared on it and ripping out the whole thing, or worse yet, breaking it
4. While driving, the TPM system would randomly alert me that it had suddenly become inactive, and then would activate itself again sometime after that. This kept happening over and over again, completely randomly
5. At a rest stop, while parked in the pouring rain, I noticed that the drivers headlight houseing was fogged over. Apparently it is not sealed properly, so when there is significant moisture in the air, it fogs up. however, at ~$1100 for a new housing (), this can certainly wait
6. The first morning after arriving home, when I went to leave for work, the damn car would not start. I had to call my dad and have him come back home to give me a jump. turns out the goddamn battery was shot. The scumbags over at the dealer certainly must have known this and supercharged it up just before I arrived to take her home so it wouldn't hiccup as I fired it up. seemed to last just long enough for me to make it home with no issues. $220ish later, it goes without saying that I am pissed about that one
7. After I arrived home, I took the car for a wash, and when going under the high-powered air dryers, some water leaked through the shitty, dried-out seals on the sunroof
8. While driving around town, I received a couple of "transmission malfunction" warnings. on one occasion, the car had a horribly violent shift, but performed fine otherwise. no limp mode, no other bad shifts, just the warning. the same afternoon, I got a warning about an ABS malfunction, a DBC malfunction, and one indicating that "start-off assistance" was inactive
9. Much to my bewilderment, later that same evening, all of the warnings had mysteriously vanished. they have not showed up in about 10 days since

Now, maybe you're thinking to yourself "well, that certainly sounds like a big pain in the ass, but not so terrible"...

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I didn't quite know it yet, but I was about to open up a whole can of worms when I brought the car to my local authorized BMW center to have them perform what is called an "active writeup". This active writeup is essentially a free (yes, BMW does offer some things free of charge!) visual inspection of the car. They walk around the car with you and inspect it and allow you to point out anything you have noticed yourself and they may address it on the spot, or recommend a thorough diagnostic by a mechanic (at a rate of $160). As part of the active writeup, they even throw it up on the lift for you and allow you to inspect the underside of the vehicle with the head mechanic and the service manager. They don't go as far as taking off the entire underside cover, but they can see a lot without even doing that when it is up on the lift.

I'll save what my trip to the BMW center turned up for the next post

TLDR: Car wasn't perfect when I bought it and I was fully aware of that. However, it was far more imperfect than I had bargained for, and we have not even gotten into the deep dark secrets that this car is hiding shit yet . BMW offers a free service where they will visually inspect your car. for free. use it to your advantage, as you are not obligated to do anything with the free information you obtain from the free service. did i mention it was free?

[PichaDis11]

So the car had the much problems in a week after you bought it? And was bought from a non-bmw dealer???

[lilg1993]

Originally Posted by PichaDis11

So the car had the much problems in a week after you bought it? And was bought from a non-bmw dealer???

Yup, pretty much. And yes, purchased from a general used car dealer in Chicago, IL.

A family friend of mine with knowledge of the electrical systems in these cars said that it is a common problem for them to just sometimes randomly throw error lights that disappear afterward, but due to other circumstance surrounding the car (which I will explain in another post), I don't necessarily believe thats what is going on here.

thanks for the response...its nice to know that at least somebody is reading my thread lol

[NYC_SGM_E90]

Did you have the replacement battery coded? Those lights are commonly related to voltage issues.

[Dkhan22]

This is more of a diagnosis thread vs a build thread.

[lilg1993]

Originally Posted by NYC_SGM_E90

Did you have the replacement battery coded? Those lights are commonly related to voltage issues.

I would assume it was coded...replacement was done by a local mechanic who has been a family friend for 20+ years and has never done me or my family wrong. would make sense for that to be the case, but I'm sure it was done right.

Originally Posted by Dkhan22

This is more of a diagnosis thread vs a build thread.

yik. it was supposed to be a build thread but there is apparently so much wrong with this car that I have just about zero interest in actually keeping it, as was my original plan. sorry to disappoint but the circumstances are out of my control, so it has in a way evolved into an outlet for me to vent my anger and frustration until I can get something worth building

[lilg1993]

Alright, back to continue my story more than a month later...

So, I'm at my local BMW center for this 'active writeup', and the first thing the guy points out to me are fisheyes in the paint. they're not only on the front/rear bumper...they're on the quarter panels, on the door, pretty much all over the place. not that there were really a lot of them, but they were spread all over the car, indicating that nearly the entire car had been repainted, because the guy said he had never in his life seen fisheyes from a factory paint job, nor from a re-spray done by a certified BMW center. obvious overspray in some areas; some clear coat looking shit around bits of the the shadow line trim, not cool. certainly not thrilled about this, but I thought hey, maybe the previous owner had a buddy with a paint shop who did it for cheap for him after the color was faded from the FL sun. I was trying to be optimistic about it. CarFax was clean and all, so I wasn't too worried...yet

Next they throw it up on the lift. underside looks good. even had 4 brand new jack points on it. front bumper is looking a little funky underneath. it was kind of bent towards the front of the car. strange, but not a huge issue. but here you could see just how poor of a paint job was done. they hadn't even bothered to strip the old paint off on the underside of the bumper. they just slapped some new paint right over it, without even applying any sort of primary coating first. they also mentioned something about the plastic undercarriage piece not being put back properly, like tucked away the way it should have been, but that it really wasn't an issue. they indicated that front thrust rod bushings were leaking some oil and should maybe be replaced ($673+tax for a pair). overall, not so terrible...could've been worse.

They check fluid levels and say that one of the fluids (can't remember which one) looked like they used a cheap alternative to it and it looked an odd color, recommended draining and replenishment. oh well.

Here is where it really got shitty

Finally I go inside with the service advisor to verify warranty status, check on previous warranty repairs, etc. runs the VIN and comes up with 4 warranty service records done by South Motors BMW in Miami, FL. now for privacy reasons, he cannot actually provide me with copies of the records, but he can tell me the basics like what if any major work was done, the date, and the mileage.

May 2013: 18,563
June 2013: 19,979
October 16th, 2013: 26,151
July 2014: 34,538

As a refresher, I bought the car with 21,180 miles on it (as stated on the sale documents), as it was advertised. even the CarFax report verified this mileage. but nope. apparently 26 months ago, the car had 13,000 more miles on it than it did at this very moment, and that was even after I had driven it 850+ miles from Chicago to NY. and it's anybody's guess how many more miles were actually put on this car in those 26 months

Now I have this kinda blank stare on my face and the service manager asks whats wrong. I tell him. he goes "oh". I ask him if this information is definitely accurate, and he assures me it is. even dials up BMW NA real quick to have them verify. they confirm. this meeting is essentially over. one of the mechanics comes to have a look at the dash/odometer to see if there is one of these little dots at the end of the reading, which is apparently a tell-tale sign of tampering. nothing there. he recommends to check the DME itself and see if it is stamped with a VIN and if it matches that under the hood/windshield/inside the door. (he says he is not sure, and nobody in the service dept/the garage can confirm whether all DME's are stamped with VIN at all).

I check later that evening after I get home from work. take the whole thing apart pretty quickly and pull out the DME. no VIN. after some online sourcing, the part number on the sticker does match with what would be in this particular car, but for some unknown reason, BMW does not serial# the DME's at all. more research indicates to me that in the past, BMW used to stamp all factory DME's that went directly into vehicles with the VIN, but that they no longer do that...supposedly some of them get stamped, while others do not. IIRC, my old car that I traded in for this shitbox had the VIN stamped on its DME, not that it really meant anything here tho. so there was no way to tell if this DME was an original that had miles changed, came from another (maybe salvage) car, or was purchased aftermarket and stuck in there fresh. I guess it didn't really matter tho, because the point was that I had been had. big time.

Stay tuned, more to come...

TLDR: Majority of the car was repainted by a non-BMW certified shop. Needs new front thrust rod bushings. One of the fluid reservoirs looked kinda funky. Odometer on the car was tampered with and rolled back 13,000+ miles, with a 26 month gap in the history

[BIMMER_Tech 631]

Originally Posted by lilg1993

Alright, back to continue my story more than a month later...

So, I'm at my local BMW center for this 'active writeup', and the first thing the guy points out to me are fisheyes in the paint. they're not only on the front/rear bumper...they're on the quarter panels, on the door, pretty much all over the place. not that there were really a lot of them, but they were spread all over the car, indicating that nearly the entire car had been repainted, because the guy said he had never in his life seen fisheyes from a factory paint job, nor from a re-spray done by a certified BMW center. obvious overspray in some areas; some clear coat looking shit around bits of the the shadow line trim, not cool. certainly not thrilled about this, but I thought hey, maybe the previous owner had a buddy with a paint shop who did it for cheap for him after the color was faded from the FL sun. I was trying to be optimistic about it. CarFax was clean and all, so I wasn't too worried...yet

Next they throw it up on the lift. underside looks good. even had 4 brand new jack points on it. front bumper is looking a little funky underneath. it was kind of bent towards the front of the car. strange, but not a huge issue. but here you could see just how poor of a paint job was done. they hadn't even bothered to strip the old paint off on the underside of the bumper. they just slapped some new paint right over it, without even applying any sort of primary coating first. they also mentioned something about the plastic undercarriage piece not being put back properly, like tucked away the way it should have been, but that it really wasn't an issue. they indicated that front thrust rod bushings were leaking some oil and should maybe be replaced ($673+tax for a pair). overall, not so terrible...could've been worse.

They check fluid levels and say that one of the fluids (can't remember which one) looked like they used a cheap alternative to it and it looked an odd color, recommended draining and replenishment. oh well.

Here is where it really got shitty

Finally I go inside with the service advisor to verify warranty status, check on previous warranty repairs, etc. runs the VIN and comes up with 3 warranty service records done by South Motors BMW in Miami, FL. now for privacy reasons, he cannot actually provide me with copies of the records, but he can tell me the basics like what if any major work was done, the date, and the mileage.

[1st date/miles] (will update later, but it was under 21k)
October 16th, 2013: 26,151
July 2014: 34,538

As a refresher, I bought the car with 21,180 miles on it (as stated on the sale documents), as it was advertised. even the CarFax report verified this mileage. but nope. apparently 26 months ago, the car had 13,000 more miles on it than it did at this very moment, and that was even after I had driven it 850+ miles from Chicago to NY. and it's anybody's guess how many more miles were actually put on this car in those 26 months

Now I have this kinda blank stare on my face and the service manager asks whats wrong. I tell him. he goes "oh". I ask him if this information is definitely accurate, and he assures me it is. even dials up BMW NA real quick to have them verify. they confirm. this meeting is essentially over. one of the mechanics comes to have a look at the dash/odometer to see if there is one of these little dots at the end of the reading, which is apparently a tell-tale sign of tampering. nothing there. he recommends to check the DME itself and see if it is stamped with a VIN and if it matches that under the hood/windshield/inside the door. (he says he is not sure, and nobody in the service dept/the garage can confirm whether all DME's are stamped with VIN at all).

I check later that evening after I get home from work. take the whole thing apart pretty quickly and pull out the DME. no VIN. after some online sourcing, the part number on the sticker does match with what would be in this particular car, but for some unknown reason, BMW does not serial# the DME's at all. more research indicates to me that in the past, BMW used to stamp all factory DME's that went directly into vehicles with the VIN, but that they no longer do that...supposedly some of them get stamped, while others do not. IIRC, my old car that I traded in for this shitbox had the VIN stamped on its DME, not that it really meant anything here tho. so there was no way to tell if this DME was an original that had miles changed, came from another (maybe salvage) car, or was purchased aftermarket and stuck in there fresh. I guess it didn't really matter tho, because the point was that I had been had. big time.

Stay tuned, more to come...

TLDR: Majority of the car was repainted by a non-BMW certified shop. Needs new front thrust rod bushings. One of the fluid reservoirs looked kinda funky. Odometer on the car was tampered with and rolled back 13,000+ miles, with a 26 month gap in the history

dam man, this is a nightmare. why don't u come by me i can check it out for you.

what dealer did you go to?

[lilg1993]

Originally Posted by BIMMER_Tech 631

dam man, this is a nightmare. why don't u come by me i can check it out for you.

what dealer did you go to?

yup, definitely living a nightmare when I thought I would be living the dream

I appreciate the offer, and I would, however the car is not registered and therefore is not street legal. it's been sitting idle in my garage since October 17th when the temp. reg. expired

bought it from Greater Chicago Motors. scumbags over there wanna play hardball with me so I am currently working on a lawsuit and an official investigation with the Illinois Secretary of State Police

[BIMMER_Tech 631]

Originally Posted by lilg1993

yup, definitely living a nightmare when I thought I would be living the dream

I appreciate the offer, and I would, however the car is not registered and therefore is not street legal. it's been sitting idle in my garage since October 17th when the temp. reg. expired

bought it from Greater Chicago Motors. scumbags over there wanna play hardball with me so I am currently working on a lawsuit and an official investigation with the Illinois Secretary of State Police

Where are you located, I can come to you.

[lilg1993]

Originally Posted by BIMMER_Tech 631

Where are you located, I can come to you.

PM me and we can set a day

[deadlocked]

Dude what the fuck thats crazy. Definitely sue them.

[L0B5TA]

jeez such low miles and that many problems. doesn't the lemon law apply here?

[Bluewater328iT]

Most, if not all, states require the seller to affirm what the mileage of the car is. It is possible that the Chicago dealer bought the car with someone affirming the miles are 21K, but if the seller affirmed a high mileage and the dealer sold it to you with 21K, then he is responsible for your loss of value due to understated miles.

Most states also have disclosures about things like repaint, but this one sounds so bad that a careful inspection could have picked it up. Does not make too much difference if you are planning on painting it anyway, but a new paint job cost between $4k to $7k if it is done correctly. Does the Carfax indicate a history that might include being in a flood zone?

The dealer almost certainly knew the car had been repainted. I worked with a couple of used car dealers and they could spot repainted panels from 10 feet or more away. Repainted panels on cars like BMW and Porsche definitely affects resale value.

[lilg1993]

Originally Posted by deadlocked

Dude what the fuck thats crazy. Definitely sue them.

fck these chitheads

Originally Posted by L0B5TA

jeez such low miles and that many problems. doesn't the lemon law apply here?

well, maybe not necessarily because the car doesn't actually have 21k miles on it. my guess is that it actually has upwards of 60k, but there's no way of finding out for sure, at least not as far as I know

Originally Posted by Bluewater328iT

Most, if not all, states require the seller to affirm what the mileage of the car is. It is possible that the Chicago dealer bought the car with someone affirming the miles are 21K, but if the seller affirmed a high mileage and the dealer sold it to you with 21K, then he is responsible for your loss of value due to understated miles.

Most states also have disclosures about things like repaint, but this one sounds so bad that a careful inspection could have picked it up. Does not make too much difference if you are planning on painting it anyway, but a new paint job cost between $4k to $7k if it is done correctly. Does the Carfax indicate a history that might include being in a flood zone?

The dealer almost certainly knew the car had been repainted. I worked with a couple of used car dealers and they could spot repainted panels from 10 feet or more away. Repainted panels on cars like BMW and Porsche definitely affects resale value.

yea, well the short of it is the previous owner, who lived (still lives?) in Miami, fraudulently mis-stated the mileage on the Florida title certificate when it was transferred to the dealer. so, at the very least, the previous owner committed a felony. but I think the dealer, being a dealer, has some higher duty to know the actual mileage, especially when I as a post consumer found it out so easily...not like I went to BMW and held a gun to the guys head and demanded the mileage info. simple phone call with the VIN was all it took.

regarding CarFax, the short of it is that the CarFax was completely wrong also. and they refuse to help me out, despite their "buyback guarantee", which is supposed to apply when they have made a significant odometer mistake.

I think the dealer probably knew about the painting as well, although I couldn't prove it. sucks because I had asked the guy, and he said to me that it was not repainted, but it was over the phone and I don't think I have a transcript of the salesman assuring me it was not repainted

I'll be going into more details about these certain things in my next couple of posts. everything I have already mentioned are just pieces of a very bizarre puzzle

[F30lolz]

If the car is originally from Miami I'm going to assume the repaint happened at some driveway in Hialeah as there are tons of mobile body shops here . As far as CarFax, maybe contact the BBB? Also, if you google the VIN, previous owners name and history might show up. I know the name/address of the first owner of my CTS Coupe and 335 just by google. This crap gives you a pass to be a creep and get a hold of the previous owner. Maybe I could help find this Cuban!

[lilg1993]

So, now the cat is out of the bag with the odometer fraud. I call up the selling dealer and confront them about it and speak with a man by the name of Wally who claims to be the GM. they of course immediately deny any knowledge or any sort of involvement. I ask them to do the right thing in this case, which would of course be to unwind the deal by giving me back the money I paid, as well as my old car, in return for the junker that they sold to me. their response is about as follows...

"sorry to hear about what has happened. we want to help you, however we cannot undo the deal and take back the car. if you want to, you can come buy another car and trade in the other one (the garbage 335is) towards the purchase of a different one (another used car off their lot)."

to me, it sounded like this...

"lol, nah. go fuck yourself dude."

you have got to be fucking kidding me. what the fuck makes this asshole think that I want to buy another car from him after what happened with this one. honestly, if Wally was sitting across a desk from me, I would probably reach over and punch him in his stupid fucking face if he said that to me because even if I wanted to trade for another car, of course he would say to me "well, since we know that the mileage is off, we can now offer you only $20,000 for this car, even though you paid us $30,000 for it last week". I also confronted him about the service report he provided me from work that their shop had performed prior to selling the car to me (see attachment below). btw, it took me 6 days of calling and requesting the report every single day before they actually sent it to me...

so this clown claimed that the blacked out information is "personally identifiable information". I clarified that I was talking about the stuff in the middle of the report..line items #5 and #6. he again gave me the same garbage excuse that it was personal information (he said specifically at one point that it was "[his] mechanics name". bull-fucking-shit. in defense of his own claim about the blacked out items being personally identifiable info, he said to me that 'if I add up all the individual numbers, they all add up to the total at the bottom.' well yes, of course they do, because it was probably formulated on an excel sheet. and even if it was not, a fucking 9 year old could go into an excel document and delete numbers/cells that contained numbers to alter the final calculated total. when I voiced my objections to his ludicrous defense, he simply stated, "that is my report and I don't owe you any further explanation on it. I didn't even have to give it to you in the first place"

Finally, I requested to speak with the owner, who of course was not there, but Wally assured me he would call me within a couple of days. never heard from the guy. I called a few days later and again gave Wally another chance to do the right thing and unwind the deal and wipe his hands of the whole mess and that would be the end, and he again told me to eat shit. when threatened with legal action, he told me to bring it on.

fast forward in time to November 2nd. now my dad has a cousin in Chicago who happens to be an attorney at a well established law firm. he writes a letter to the dealer (specifically, the owner) addressing the situation and threatening a lawsuit if they do not undo the deal (attached below). they don't even respond to this letter. not to me. not to the attorney/the firm itself. nothing. so thats where I stand with it now.

I've still got plenty more to share about the CarFax report and the Certificate of Title for this car, and about the previous owner. it only gets better, trust me

TLDR: I confront selling dealer about odometer fraud. they deny knowledge or involvement. they basically slap me in the face when I tell them I want my money and car back. they make up lame excuses for a very fishy service document. they invite me to bring on the lawsuit.

[lilg1993]

Originally Posted by F30lolz

If the car is originally from Miami I'm going to assume the repaint happened at some driveway in Hialeah as there are tons of mobile body shops here . As far as CarFax, maybe contact the BBB? Also, if you google the VIN, previous owners name and history might show up. I know the name/address of the first owner of my CTS Coupe and 335 just by google. This crap gives you a pass to be a creep and get a hold of the previous owner. Maybe I could help find this Cuban!

Well, its origin is very very confusing actually. I will get to that in a later post. But yes, you're probably right about the paint job. I lived in Miami for 4 years while attending TheU, so I know how sketchy some of that shit is. CarFax story will also come. that one is a head scratcher.

Don't worry, I found the previous owner and googled him...I've got a great story about him that nobody will want to miss. sure to deliver the lolz

[F30lolz]

Write a negative review about the selling dealer and report them to BBB. That'll teach em.

[lilg1993]

This has probably been the only fun/entertaining part of this whole adventure that has accompanied my purchase of this car...

I was curious in possibly speaking with the previous owner of the vehicle about any issues he/she may have been aware of, just so that I could be made aware of them and possibly address them. Tracking down the owner turned out be a lot easier than I thought it would be.

In the glove compartment, I found an old registration document (attached), parts of the user manual, and an added bonus: a $500 gift card to Bloomingdale's (which had all of its value and does not expire)

Naturally, I went straight to the computer and Googled the names, starting with Christopher (as I assumed that Kerri was probably the co-registrant mother that didn't drive the car; I think I was correct...). below, I have included 2 links to stories that I will not tell myself, but you should all read for the lolz.

http://www.flkeysnews.com/news/local...e79612177.html

http://www.local10.com/news/florida/...on-bui-charges

So yea, this guy tried jumping overboard while handcuffed, and resisted being saved from drowning, so was peppersprayed to get him under control. the previous owner of my car was a real genius

Anyways, a little further probing turned up a phone number for the address listed on the registration document. I tried calling just to ask a couple questions about the car in general, but nobody answered. a friendly voice message with a callback request was never responded to. I also looked up the address and checked out the house on Google street-view. The salesman who handled the sale of the car to me specifically told me that the car had been garaged all its life. A simple check of the street-view will reveal that there is no garage at this address

https://www.google.com/maps/@25.6237...8i6656!6m1!1e1

So, whether the previous owner lied to the salesman, saying it had always been garaged, I have no clue. However, in light of what I had learned about the odometer fraud behind this car, it is really no surprise to me that I never received a call back from the previous owner, after leaving a message that in part said "I wanted to ask a few questions about a blue 335is that I bought".

Guilt by silence? well, of course I cannot definitively say one way or the other, but every sliver of evidence I have come across through my own research seems to be painting a grim picture for the previous owner (i.e. the fact that the service reports show 34,xxx under his ownership period, followed by the title document being signed as having 21,xxx at the time he sold it; criminal past; not returning call; etc.) but lets not forget, this is America, and everyone is innocent until proven guilty

Got more info next time, including CarFax nonsense...

TLDR: found $500 gift card in glove box; previous owner is a clown; car was evidently not "garaged all its life" as promised (as if I wasn't already suspicious about paint job)

[lilg1993]

Originally Posted by F30lolz

Write a negative review about the selling dealer and report them to BBB. That'll teach em.

For some reason (probably bc I'm lazy) I am yet to write the scathing review or report to BBB. However, I am working on trying to get NBC's affiliate in Chicago to run a story about the whole ordeal...