Dinan Response regarding Flash for March '08-future builds

Bubbles · 04-18-2008, 02:55 PM

From Dinan:

Quote:

"Currently, Dinan software is applicable for vehicles equipped with the MSD v80.0 DME (engine management computer). Vehicles equipped with the MSD v81.0 DME are not yet supported. For the most part, the production date break appears to be 3/08, however this is not an absolute so it is best to check the DME label."

Mattscott · 04-18-2008, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bubbles

"Currently, Dinan software is applicable for vehicles equipped with the MSD v80.0 DME (engine management computer). Vehicles equipped with the MSD v81.0 DME are not yet supported. For the most part, the production date break appears to be 3/08, however this is not an absolute so it is best to check the DME label."

How come all the changes always occur in march? Oil cooler last year, DME, this year, facelift next year?

Bubbles · 04-18-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattscott

How come all the changes always occur in march? Oil cooler last year, DME, this year, facelift next year?

Good point, maybe the end period of manufacturing runs.

Sniper1690 · 04-18-2008, 03:11 PM

Great intel, Bubbles! I talked to my Dinan dealer and they were not aware of this issues as of Tuesday.

I guess I lucked out with my late Feb. 08 build...car was flashed within 24 hrs of delivery, couldn't be happier with the Dinan set-up.

5soko · 04-18-2008, 03:11 PM

true, they seem to change everything in march. i have seen this trend from bmw.

good info

M4TW · 04-18-2008, 03:22 PM

So this is a hardware change only affecting cars built after Mar '08 or is it a software change too affecting pre-Mar '08 cars (when they are taken in for service)?

For purely selfish reasons, if it is only a go-forward problem only (making post Mar '08 cars untunable and leaving us alone) it's not a bad thing for us current owners - our resale value just went up.

stressdoc · 04-18-2008, 03:26 PM

Maybe the communication btw BMW AG and Dinan is not what we might expect...

5soko · 04-18-2008, 03:53 PM

no i think they is a New DME program out, i think most peope when they bring there car for service, the techs automatically update peoples DME to the latest version?? that is what i have been reading. i hope someone can respond and or correct me.

WAYNEBO · 04-18-2008, 04:08 PM

I know the reason... read below a thread from Terry on www.n54tech.com:

Hey guys,

I've been working closely with one of my European distributors and we have confirmed BMW did in fact add 'tuning protection' to the new ECU code. It seems to have happened in middle to late March production dates.

From what I know right now this update will detect any and all currently available piggyback systems and tuners, although there is a chance the JB1 is not effected. When the fault code is thrown it is stored in the extended set and it may or may not throw a limp condition. I don't want to release any technical information because I see this as somewhat of an opportunity to beat the competition to market with a solution. But this will definitely ruin a few peoples days.

There is a lot I don't know. I don't yet know if they plan to release this to all cars as they go in for oil changes, or if it will only effect new production build cars. I also don't know the production dates and when/if this will be hitting the US market.

We've all been hearing rumors and I now know there is some truth to them. May want to hold off on progman updates...

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dcwjd · 04-18-2008, 04:42 PM

I'm getting my car tomorrow. Does this mean i will not be able to get the dinan tune for it or will the stage 2 support it?

305coupe335i · 04-18-2008, 04:45 PM

this doesnt sound good at all. But terry says this software is only in march builds in europe

Kbueno · 04-18-2008, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WAYNEBO

I know the reason... read below a thread from Terry on www.n54tech.com:

Hey guys,

I've been working closely with one of my European distributors and we have confirmed BMW did in fact add 'tuning protection' to the new ECU code. It seems to have happened in middle to late March production dates.

From what I know right now this update will detect any and all currently available piggyback systems and tuners, although there is a chance the JB1 is not effected. When the fault code is thrown it is stored in the extended set and it may or may not throw a limp condition. I don't want to release any technical information because I see this as somewhat of an opportunity to beat the competition to market with a solution. But this will definitely ruin a few peoples days.

There is a lot I don't know. I don't yet know if they plan to release this to all cars as they go in for oil changes, or if it will only effect new production build cars. I also don't know the production dates and when/if this will be hitting the US market.

We've all been hearing rumors and I now know there is some truth to them. May want to hold off on progman updates...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

JB2HHR, UR downpipes, cone filters, stock exhaust
403rwhp/454rwtq
www.burgertuning.com

AHHH, this stinks! Keep us updated.

GBX · 04-18-2008, 05:11 PM

this sucks! I'm taking delivery next month. I'm assuming Dinan is working on an ecu flash for our newer cars, i hope. Any info?????

ybbiz34 · 04-18-2008, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparkplug

So this is a hardware change only affecting cars built after Mar '08 or is it a software change too affecting pre-Mar '08 cars (when they are taken in for service)?

For purely selfish reasons, if it is only a go-forward problem only (making post Mar '08 cars untunable and leaving us alone) it's not a bad thing for us current owners - our resale value just went up.

Only a hardware change, not a software change. '07 cars WILL NOT be affected when taken in for service. Also, a majority of the '08 cars up until March will be just fine too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by stressdoc

Maybe the communication btw BMW AG and Dinan is not what we might expect...

Maybe, maybe not. Dinan has been around for over 20 years, and I doubt anyone here has followed their relationship with BMW for that long. This situation might not be a blip on the radar in the grand scheme of things.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5soko335i

no i think they is a New DME program out, i think most peope when they bring there car for service, the techs automatically update peoples DME to the latest version?? that is what i have been reading. i hope someone can respond and or correct me.

That's wrong. It is a hardware change in the DME. The production break is right around 03/08. So even some '08s have the older version of the DME. Cars with the previous DME can still have the current flash, and there can be no software uploaded onto it that will prevent the current flash from working.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBX

this sucks! I'm taking delivery next month. I'm assuming Dinan is working on an ecu flash for our newer cars, i hope. Any info?????

Dinan is working on a flash version for the new ECU/DME.

e90AW335i · 04-18-2008, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

That's wrong. It is a hardware change in the DME. The production break is right around 03/08. So even some '08s have the older version of the DME. Cars with the previous DME can still have the current flash, and there can be no software uploaded onto it that will prevent the current flash from working.

I have an 08 and I have the old one.....

ybbiz34 · 04-18-2008, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

I have an 08 and I have the old one.....

That's the ticket!!

5soko · 04-18-2008, 07:08 PM

thanks for the response!

so to get this right all 07 and some 08 owners have nothing to worry about or are not effected from this new release.

ybbiz34 · 04-18-2008, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5soko335i

thanks for the response!

so to get this right all 07 and some 08 owners have nothing to worry about or are not effected from this new release.

Yep!

I am sure all of the tuners affected by the new DME will find a solution as well.

ArmyBimmerDude · 04-18-2008, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

Yep!

I am sure all of the tuners affected by the new DME will find a solution as well.

Thank god! I was about to go to the dealership to look at a M3.

oc24 · 04-18-2008, 08:04 PM

Any update on Jeff from Eurobahn's comment re BMW telling dealers no more Dinan flash on leases?

ybbiz34 · 04-18-2008, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slubu

Any update on Jeff from Eurobahn's comment re BMW telling dealers no more Dinan flash on leases?

Not yet. Not that Jeff is the one who is wrong on this one, I am having a hard time buying into that.

AJayE92 · 04-18-2008, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattscott

How come all the changes always occur in march? Oil cooler last year, DME, this year, facelift next year?

End of the 1st Quarter for sales and Shit,

Business reasons

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Sniper1690 Second Lieutenant 21 Rep 216 Posts Drives: Dinan Stg. III E92 335i Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Dallas iTrader: (0)	Great intel, Bubbles! I talked to my Dinan dealer and they were not aware of this issues as of Tuesday. I guess I lucked out with my late Feb. 08 build...car was flashed within 24 hrs of delivery, couldn't be happier with the Dinan set-up. __________________ "...here's a word of advice for those who have been saving their lunch money and patiently waiting for the E92 M3 V8 to come to our shores: If you encounter a 335i with a Dinan badge on the trunk, don't throw down for pink slips. This car is so fast in a straight-line drag that you'll have to hitchhike home." Roundel, April 2008 \|\|08 E92 335i 6MT / Montego Blue / Dinan Stage III, IC, OC, exhaust and Stage 1 Suspension / Morr VS8
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305coupe335i Private First Class 20 Rep 187 Posts Drives: 335i coupe sports pckg. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mia,FL iTrader: (0)	this doesnt sound good at all. But terry says this software is only in march builds in europe
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5soko Brigadier General 351 Rep 4,633 Posts Drives: M5 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY iTrader: (4)	thanks for the response! so to get this right all 07 and some 08 owners have nothing to worry about or are not effected from this new release.
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