Wagner copy aliexpress

Aus335iguy · 03-03-2017, 02:14 AM

Hi all
Just received one of these..
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/335-...608.0.0.KirY6R

First impressions, its well made and looks like it it'll fit my car just fine. Great Wagner copy would buy again. Ive got a set of DPs and ill be fitting them all up shortly.

Ill post some pics up in a bit.

iliketurtl3s · 03-03-2017, 02:57 AM

Keen

CYL · 03-03-2017, 03:25 AM

Intercooler for less than $200?

Aus335iguy · 03-03-2017, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CYL

Intercooler for less than $200?

Less than 200 freedom dollars YES.

Ended up at my door for less than 400 AU dollars.

Digitalism · 03-03-2017, 03:44 AM

Been looking at these for awhile. As long as it cools better than OEM I'd be happy.

Aus335iguy · 03-03-2017, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Digitalism

Been looking at these for awhile. As long as it cools better than OEM I'd be happy.

Its tube and fin and has far greater area than standard. It would be a big struggle to get something better for cheaper. In fact youd struggle to get anything better for less than double the price from what i can see...

I'll see if I can organise a group buy...

DR-JEKL · 03-03-2017, 04:26 AM

the density of that core looks pretty awful dude

Having said that its probably still much better than oem!

Aus335iguy · 03-03-2017, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DR-JEKL

the density of that core looks pretty awful dude

Having said that its probably still much better than oem!

Ive looked at the wagner core and it looks much the same.
http://www.wagner-tuning.com/EVO-2-C...1044_p_90.html

DR-JEKL · 03-03-2017, 04:37 AM

Appearance counts for squat, and its difficult to see the wagner core up close on their site.

Do some logs with your oem core and under the same conditions do it with the new core fitted.

A loose pack like this chinese fmic will have plenty of flow, IMO the best design is a offset & staggered fin type core which has more effective cooling (twice the surface area and the flowing air coming into the core doesnt just merely flow through the staggered arrangement disrupts the airflow forcing it to cover more surface area of the fins.

Digitalism · 03-03-2017, 04:37 AM

Didn't notice it till you mention it.

Hrmmm, got me thinking now.

DR-JEKL · 03-03-2017, 04:43 AM

Chinese:

Quality Made in the usa core with cast end tanks and high density fins:

Digitalism · 03-03-2017, 04:55 AM

There is a decent review and data logs of this intercooler over on the "other" BMW forum.

No OEM log though.

Aus335iguy · 03-03-2017, 05:10 AM

End tanks are cast
Can you share a link to that review?

Digitalism · 03-03-2017, 05:17 AM

I've never seen any links to that forum stay active on this forum.

If you search "Wagner style chinese intercooler" I'm sure it'll come up.

Josh_G · 03-03-2017, 05:28 AM

I'm currently waiting on the AMS intercooler copy from the same seller as well as a charge pipe and BOV. all for the resonable price of 350 english pounds. delviery has taken ages but should be with me next tuesday.

I think that if your not ging to be tracking your car these parts will be fine, only time will tell though!

JB4-335 · 03-03-2017, 06:21 AM

I don't mind saving some dollars when I can but that intercooler is nasty. Trash it and get a decent one.

Aus335iguy · 03-03-2017, 06:27 AM

As far as I can tell it's a very accurate copy of a Wagner which sells for a lot more and performs better than some. The only difference I can see is that the Wagner has a diverting fin on the turbo side. The only photo of of the internal structure looks exactly the same as the one I bought. Does anyone have any photos of a genuine one for comparison?

JB4-335 · 03-03-2017, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Aus335iguy

As far as I can tell it's a very accurate copy of a Wagner which sells for a lot more and performs better than some. The only difference I can see is that the Wagner has a diverting fin on the turbo side. The only photo of of the internal structure looks exactly the same as the one I bought. Does anyone have any photos of a genuine one for comparison?

One is designed and engineered in Germany then built with quality parts and the other is produced from low quality Chinese parts in China. Not saying all things made in China are bad but you get what you pay for with most things. Yes they do replicate products extremely well. In saying that downpipes are just pipes with welds. As long as the welds are done properly and it fits well then that's ok.

Brule · 03-03-2017, 06:41 AM

This was me 3 years ago.

Just chuck it in if it fits.

Read your logs and see if it's worth upgrading.

Aus335iguy · 03-03-2017, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Brule

This was me 3 years ago.

Just chuck it in if it fits.

Read your logs and see if it's worth upgrading.

Lol, I've been modding for years and I've always listened to everyone's opinion and formed my own view. It's going in alright!
This is the only photo I've found of the Wagner internals (on the right) of you google wagner review you'll find that but it shows the internals of a very expensive German designed and constructed cooler. That looks EXACTLY like the one I bought sans divert fin.

If you don't like cheap intercoolers that's fine. If you think they're shit that's fine too. If you want one though and you're on the fence you are welcome to take a look at mine before I put it in[IMG]http://users.telenet.be/darkhold/wagner/fin.JPG[/IMG]

titium · 03-03-2017, 07:30 AM

core doesn't look that dense as others have pointed out.

wonder what Chinese quality control is like? wouldn't like left over bits of metal from the manufacturing process going into your motor....

Aus335iguy · 03-03-2017, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by titium

core doesn't look that dense as others have pointed out.

wonder what Chinese quality control is like? wouldn't like left over bits of metal from the manufacturing process going into your motor....

No signs of any debris or foreign matter. Powder coating finish is very good with smooth coverage

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DR-JEKL Major General 909 Rep 6,285 Posts Drives: Space Grey E92 335i 6MT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Newcastle Ozstraylia iTrader: (3)	the density of that core looks pretty awful dude Having said that its probably still much better than oem!
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DR-JEKL Major General 909 Rep 6,285 Posts Drives: Space Grey E92 335i 6MT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Newcastle Ozstraylia iTrader: (3)	Appearance counts for squat, and its difficult to see the wagner core up close on their site. Do some logs with your oem core and under the same conditions do it with the new core fitted. A loose pack like this chinese fmic will have plenty of flow, IMO the best design is a offset & staggered fin type core which has more effective cooling (twice the surface area and the flowing air coming into the core doesnt just merely flow through the staggered arrangement disrupts the airflow forcing it to cover more surface area of the fins.
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DR-JEKL Major General 909 Rep 6,285 Posts Drives: Space Grey E92 335i 6MT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Newcastle Ozstraylia iTrader: (3)	Chinese: Quality Made in the usa core with cast end tanks and high density fins:
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Digitalism Lieutenant 53 Rep 398 Posts Drives: BMW 335i Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Perth, Australia iTrader: (0)	There is a decent review and data logs of this intercooler over on the "other" BMW forum. No OEM log though.
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Aus335iguy Colonel 660 Rep 2,139 Posts Drives: 2009 e92 335i MSport DCT Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Sydney Aus iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 BMW 335i [10.00]	End tanks are cast Can you share a link to that review? __________________ When you doppelkaplung you doppel your fun.
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Digitalism Lieutenant 53 Rep 398 Posts Drives: BMW 335i Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Perth, Australia iTrader: (0)	I've never seen any links to that forum stay active on this forum. If you search "Wagner style chinese intercooler" I'm sure it'll come up.
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Josh_G Second Lieutenant 48 Rep 256 Posts Drives: BMW M2 Competition Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Surrey iTrader: (0)	I'm currently waiting on the AMS intercooler copy from the same seller as well as a charge pipe and BOV. all for the resonable price of 350 english pounds. delviery has taken ages but should be with me next tuesday. I think that if your not ging to be tracking your car these parts will be fine, only time will tell though! Last edited by Josh_G; 03-03-2017 at 06:32 AM..
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JB4-335 Brigadier General 173 Rep 3,093 Posts Drives: E92 BSM & E70 AW Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Australia iTrader: (1)	I don't mind saving some dollars when I can but that intercooler is nasty. Trash it and get a decent one.
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Aus335iguy Colonel 660 Rep 2,139 Posts Drives: 2009 e92 335i MSport DCT Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Sydney Aus iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 BMW 335i [10.00]	As far as I can tell it's a very accurate copy of a Wagner which sells for a lot more and performs better than some. The only difference I can see is that the Wagner has a diverting fin on the turbo side. The only photo of of the internal structure looks exactly the same as the one I bought. Does anyone have any photos of a genuine one for comparison? __________________ When you doppelkaplung you doppel your fun.
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Brule Brigadier General 841 Rep 3,190 Posts Drives: 2007 335i e92 6spd man Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Darwin iTrader: (0)	This was me 3 years ago. Just chuck it in if it fits. Read your logs and see if it's worth upgrading.
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titium Major 330 Rep 960 Posts Drives: 2009 BMW 135i Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Sydney iTrader: (0)	core doesn't look that dense as others have pointed out. wonder what Chinese quality control is like? wouldn't like left over bits of metal from the manufacturing process going into your motor....
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