[mike082802]

looking for rear arms for the car. i already have megan rear trailing arms, but have not installed yet. i bought a set of the blue ebay godspeed arms that everyone said were manzo or megan and i sent them back because the bushing/joint felt way too loose and nothing like the megans. i had the two side by side, compared both and was just not comfortable putting them on my car. any insight or suggestions are welcome.

i have ast4100 with 7k/12k springs with whiteline rsfb, front has m3 arms. car sees about 10 track days a year and is also my sunday grocery getter.

thanks

[feuer]

Hardrace>Megan>Manzo>GodSpeed or Ver4>Ver3>Ver2>Ver1 so techicaly the GodSpeed is the very first version, and the least good, of arms made by HardRace. So look for Manzo or Megan as M3 has been scientifically proven not to be an upgrade to non M rear arms.

[titium]

Originally Posted by feuer

So look for Manzo or Megan as M3 has been scientifically proven not to be an upgrade to non M rear arms.

how so? I mean besides the fact that they don't fit.

With an m3 rear subframe they'd offer the same improvement as the aftermarket ones while still allowing for controlled failure if overloaded, with less toe adjustability though.

Theres some interesting results shared by fe1rx on the 1addicts side.

[feuer]

Originally Posted by titium

how so? I mean besides the fact that they don't fit.
With an m3 rear subframe they'd offer the same improvement as the aftermarket ones while still allowing for controlled failure if overloaded, with less toe adjustability though.
Theres some interesting results shared by fe1rx on the 1addicts side.

Because the bushings on the M arm aren't firmer than the bushing on the none M arms as explan by Fe1rx on 1aadict.

[titium]

Originally Posted by feuer

Because the bushings on the M arm aren't firmer than the bushing on the none M arms as explan by Fe1rx on 1aadict.

my bad thought we were talking about toe arms.

[feuer]

Originally Posted by titium

my bad thought we were talking about toe arms.

Well, to both our defense, OP post is vague. Only the lower control arm from M3 is an upgrade. So whether OP is asking about toe or camber arm the answer would be either not an upgrade or won't fit as you said.

Originally Posted by feuer

Hardrace>Megan>Manzo>GodSpeed or Ver4>Ver3>Ver2>Ver1 so techicaly the GodSpeed is the very first version, and the least good, of arms made by HardRace. So look for Manzo or Megan as M3 has been scientifically proven not to be an upgrade to non M rear arms.

Just to be clear here, all options utilize spherical bearings EXCEPT for the Manzo arms which use Hardened Rubber, correct?

If so, I imagine for street car only use, the Manzo "version" would probably make the most sense.

[mike082802]

i have the megan trailing so i figured it was obvious i was talking about the toe and camber arms.

[feuer]

Originally Posted by FCobra94

Just to be clear here, all options utilize spherical bearings EXCEPT for the Manzo arms which use Hardened Rubber, correct?

If so, I imagine for street car only use, the Manzo "version" would probably make the most sense.

From what I have seen yes! Only Manzo use rubber bushings. Excellent for steer and moderate track duty.

[PourBoi-Jay]

Originally Posted by Richwm

What makes you think "M3 has been scientifically proven not to be an upgrade to non M rear arms". I installed the rear M3 arms and they definitely were an upgrade for me.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1079383

[houtan]

If you are talking toe arms, i don't see why you would get anything other than the bimmerworld toe arms: http://www.bimmerworld.com/Suspensio...Arm-Set_2.html

They come with Aurora AB/AM 10 - teflon lined spherical bearing with a radial static load capacity of 17,955 lbs. I don't think i have seen any other aftermarket offerings with bearings rated that high. http://cad.aurorabearing.com/item/ll...ailabl-3/am-10

I have mine installed for about 10k miles, so no that long, but they are dead silent so far.

[feuer]

Originally Posted by Richwm

What makes you think "M3 has been scientifically proven not to be an upgrade to non M rear arms". I installed the rear M3 arms and they definitely were an upgrade for me.

Originally Posted by PourBoi-Jay

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1079383

Thank you! Now Rich has some reading to do.

[justpete]

Originally Posted by Richwm

What makes you think "M3 has been scientifically proven not to be an upgrade to non M rear arms". I installed the rear M3 arms and they definitely were an upgrade for me.

The bushings and bearings are identical to the stock arms and the M3 arms themselves are no stiffer than the stock, they just have a different failure mechanism.

For a real upgrade swap them out for adjustable ballend links, just don't hit any potholes.

[PourBoi-Jay]

^^Yup...But if it's time to do rear control arms anyway, then the M3 Rear Arms are a good choice.

[justpete]

Originally Posted by PourBoi-Jay

^^Yup...But if it's time to do rear control arms anyway, then the M3 Rear Arms are a good choice.

It's your money. But it's wasted on the M3 arms as they provide zero difference from stock.

[PourBoi-Jay]

I'm well aware....I've done the research...."believe me" (Trump voice).

My rears need replacing this year, so I'm spending a bit extra to go with M parts. Can't wait.

[houtan]

Originally Posted by Richwm

What makes you think "M3 has been scientifically proven not to be an upgrade to non M rear arms". I installed the rear M3 arms and they definitely were an upgrade for me.

Hard to tell in your picture, but are both of your upper arms installed with the hump pointing upwards?

[feuer]

Originally Posted by Richwm

Yes they are.

Well, unfortunately, you need to do even more reading! The guide rod is mounted backwards! The "hump" need to point downwards. See part#18

[houtan]

Originally Posted by Richwm

Yes they are.

That's what it looked like. Was just going to let you know what was already pointed out now, that the hump on the guide rod points downward. Easy fix.

[feuer]

Originally Posted by Richwm

Yes I realized that after I was done. I plan on fixing next time I have the wheels off. I will be sure not to crash the rear end before I fix it. Also maybe you should try and just help people instead of trying to be an asshole all of the time. Im 47 not 16 I wasn't trying to start a pissing contest on here, just trying to let you know that the M3 rear is not a total waste of time and money if your original parts are worn out.

If you wasn't starting a pissing contest you should have started with post #21 stating it was cheaper not post #10 claiming it was an upgrade and get schooled form 16 year old.

[PourBoi-Jay]

Would be great if everyone settled down and didn't assume everyone else was an idiot or an asshole....

Decent thread otherwise.

Originally Posted by Richwm

It was for me, with 207,000 miles the bushings were worn out so I paid $378 for TRW M3 arms instead of $541 for the stock OEM arms. They cleaned up some of the slop in my rear suspension. Now I just need to take care of my subframe bushings.

With that many miles a McDonalds straw attached with two bandaids would have been an upgrade.

Manzo makes camber/trailing arms for a fraction of the price of the M3 parts; bonus being that you no longer have to deal with that bullshit factory eccentric bolt when adjusting camber:
http://www.manzousa.com/index.php/pr...ks-mounts.html

Originally Posted by PourBoi-Jay

Would be great if everyone settled down and didn't assume everyone else was an idiot or an asshole....

...or didn't act like such a damn snowflake. Peeps don't need to be so easily offended at the thought of being incorrect.

Either way, thanks for confirming the info above feuer...Manzo toe arms are en-route