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      04-27-2017, 08:50 AM   #1
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335i caught fire!

So yesterday I was driving the car pretty hard for about 30 min, pulled over at a parking lot to make a phone call and about a minute and a half later I got a check engine light & smoking coming from the hood. I opened it up and saw my engine burning! I ripped of the insulation off the hood and put out the fire in the engine bay with my bookbag. Does anyone know what could have caused this? I have jb4, cp, dp, intakes, and running map 5. The white powder in the pictires is from a fire extinguisher someone passing by gave me to put out the remaining couple of spots. I didn't have an engine cover on, not sure if that caused it or saved me. The car has only 58k miles, bought it at 56.
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      04-27-2017, 11:12 AM   #2
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Wow!

Look to see if one of the hardlines from the fuel rail to the injector is cracked.

Glad you're okay.
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      04-27-2017, 11:21 AM   #3
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Not having engine cover saved it. I can't see cracked fuel line. The oil cap is severely damaged so I assume is oil that was burning. Not gas. Also, the electrical wires! Where the loose and rubbing on the valve cover, injector coils and injector fuel lines? That might have cause it.
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      04-27-2017, 11:36 AM   #4
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Looks like the brunt of the fire was near the oil cap, that's the only thing that stands out.

Hard to say what the cause was. Just be glad your ok.

Insurance should cover the damages and repairs.
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      04-27-2017, 12:38 PM   #5
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Wow!

Look to see if one of the hardlines from the fuel rail to the injector is cracked.

Glad you're okay.
Thanks, and I will look closer at it later tonight, the plastic on top of the injectors melted a little, do you think that could be a problem?
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      04-27-2017, 12:41 PM   #6
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Not having engine cover saved it. I can't see cracked fuel line. The oil cap is severely damaged so I assume is oil that was burning. Not gas. Also, the electrical wires! Where the loose and rubbing on the valve cover, injector coils and injector fuel lines? That might have cause it.
When I opened the hood the main source was the oil cap, but thats just the most flammable piece in that area so I dont know. The battery wires were in that black case, it melted so i threw it out to look at the wires.
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      04-27-2017, 12:43 PM   #7
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Looks like the brunt of the fire was near the oil cap, that's the only thing that stands out.

Hard to say what the cause was. Just be glad your ok.

Insurance should cover the damages and repairs.
Thanks, and I don't have full coverage, so I doubt they will do anything. Should I switch now or is that a bad idea lol
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      04-27-2017, 02:40 PM   #8
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Bad idea. Switch to full coverage and then place a claim that your car caught on fire. Doesn't seem fishy it all.

I'm a firm believer in always having full coverage unless maybe your vehicle is only worth a few thousand dollars. If you want a lower premium just raise your deductible.

Best of luck
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      04-27-2017, 03:03 PM   #9
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Bad idea. Switch to full coverage and then place a claim that your car caught on fire. Doesn't seem fishy it all.

I'm a firm believer in always having full coverage unless maybe your vehicle is only worth a few thousand dollars. If you want a lower premium just raise your deductible.

Best of luck
I added the car to another plan with my toyota thats only liability, was going to make a call to put full coverage on the 335 this weekend...
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      04-27-2017, 03:26 PM   #10
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Who touched your engine bay last? Any recent work done? I know you just bought it.

Fires are hard to troubleshoot in general let alone from pictures. Glad you are ok.

My guess would be a leaking fuel line/connection. Delete this post, add full comp ASAP as you just bought the car, and make this claim in a few weeks. Also don't post this anywhere else, like your facebook.
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      04-27-2017, 08:27 PM   #11
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The hard line going to cyl 3 injector looks like it could have been leaking but hard to tell.
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      04-27-2017, 10:47 PM   #12
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The hard line going to cyl 3 injector looks like it could have been leaking but hard to tell.
You are right, just looked at the car and the nut is l covered in something, doesnt smell like anything at this point, obviously, but it is moist. I will upload a closer picture when i get home, doesn't allow me to upload from my phone.
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      04-27-2017, 10:59 PM   #13
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The car has only 58k miles, bought it at 56.
Used Car Lemon Law Fact Sheet

The Used Car Lemon law provides a legal remedy for consumers who are buyers or lessees of used cars that turn out to be lemons. The law requires dealers to give consumers a written warranty. Under this warranty, dealers must repair, free of charge, any defect in covered parts. If the dealer is unable to repair the car after a reasonable number of attempts, the consumer is entitled to a full refund.

https://ag.ny.gov/consumer-frauds/us...law-fact-sheet
https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/file...Guide_2011.pdf

I would assume the car creating the fire does not allow the dealer to use the damage by fire exception.

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      04-27-2017, 11:42 PM   #14
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Ive cracked open the rail to release fuel pressure before.

With the gas cap open battery disconnected pressure still high i would assume that the fire would have spread quickly if there was a crack and theyre hard metal hatd lines.

Best guess would be a short maybe something is not grounded properly and a wire got hot enought to light up.

Why was the cover off any work done recently?
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      04-28-2017, 12:02 AM   #15
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Yikes! Glad you're ok. We've seen this once and it was the hard line letting go.
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      04-28-2017, 12:51 AM   #16
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Used Car Lemon Law Fact Sheet

The Used Car Lemon law provides a legal remedy for consumers who are buyers or lessees of used cars that turn out to be lemons. The law requires dealers to give consumers a written warranty. Under this warranty, dealers must repair, free of charge, any defect in covered parts. If the dealer is unable to repair the car after a reasonable number of attempts, the consumer is entitled to a full refund.

https://ag.ny.gov/consumer-frauds/us...law-fact-sheet
https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/file...Guide_2011.pdf

I would assume the car creating the fire does not allow the dealer to use the damage by fire exception.
I will look into this tomorrow, but I am guessing this is for cars bought from dealer? I bought it from private owner on this forum.
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      04-28-2017, 12:53 AM   #17
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Yikes! Glad you're ok. We've seen this once and it was the hard line letting go.
Thank you, will try to find a trusty mechanic to bring this to in the next couple of days!
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      04-28-2017, 01:18 AM   #18
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Ive cracked open the rail to release fuel pressure before.

With the gas cap open battery disconnected pressure still high i would assume that the fire would have spread quickly if there was a crack and theyre hard metal hard lines.

Best guess would be a short maybe something is not grounded properly and a wire got hot enought to light up.

Why was the cover off any work done recently?
So I think there is no crack in the lines, but as Blaster said, cyl 3 line looks like it has a leak near the tightening nut. When I opened the hood, the insulation on the hood was the biggest source of fire, the whole thing was burning and i ripped it off and threw it away. However, now that i think about it, that is most likely fire proof material, no? Meaning it was soaked in something flammable, like gas or oil. How would i check if there is still pressure in the fuel line? Also yes there was work done, that is why the cover is off. When I first purchased the car I swapped in brand new coils and spark plugs, and since then it has been off (2k miles), also recently installed the BMS oil catch can, which requires you to saw off a piece of the cover(based on the DIY i was reading) so I didn't bother doing that all that lol.
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      04-28-2017, 08:00 AM   #19
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Looks like a crack there???
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      04-28-2017, 08:53 AM   #20
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Yea, that insulation is not flammable. It was definitely soaked in a flammable substance, either oil or fuel.
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      04-28-2017, 09:04 AM   #21
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Looks like a crack there???
I cant really see what you are looking at, but ill check later today. Does anyone know what should be replaced here? Hard line ofcourse, wire harness, oil cap, that melted sensor(can someone tell me what its for), new battery wires, etc...
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      04-28-2017, 10:38 AM   #22
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More than likely thats a bad metal-metal seal under the nut.

I bet if you pull the line off you'll see it mushroomed.
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