[3-Serious]

Has anyone hit 500whp on pump with upgraded turbo's? or does the fueling system still hinder such gains? What's the highest number someone has hit on 93? I want to get back into the n54 game but it still sounds so complicated to make over 500whp unless you go port injection upgraded LPFP with mixes of e85 and meth.

[fordbaxter]

Originally Posted by 3-Serious

Has anyone hit 500whp on pump with upgraded turbo's? or does the fueling system still hinder such gains? What's the highest number someone has hit on 93? I want to get back into the n54 game but it still sounds so complicated to make over 500whp unless you go port injection upgraded LPFP with mixes of e85 and meth.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1215148

424whp stock turbos stock fuel system (no E85, no meth) at 21PSI

Vargas did some testing as well and hit 568whp on just 93 with their GC turbos, but this of course requires a lot of fuel system upgrades. They didn't state what hardware they used for fueling but I would guess their upgraded HPFP and a beefy LPFP setup maybe with PI.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1283955

Jeff

[RSL]

It's doable, octane will limit it more than anything else. It's easy to make power on E85, that's why everyone uses it, but need an increased volume and higher E85 content necessitates TBI/PI and possibly multiple LPFPs.

I'm close to 500whp on true straight not-even-that-good 93 octane through 4 cats and an airbox. Not even a can of octane boost. It might've hit an actual 500, but the dyno dude didn't get to WOT (full boost target) until 5000-5500rpm. ~470wtq at like 12psi in peak torque area, whp was about the same number IIRC. RR600s = 15T comp wheels, which are kinda average/small as far as hybrids go.

VTT also ran like 2° timing IIRC. Said EGTs weren't a problem, but not something I'd want daily on the street.

[Midwest_Xi]

A local friend was able to hit a tad over 500 with pure 2, 93 and he is xi.

"Give_em_the_dd" but he is banned from here. I'll ask him to text me his dyno graphs.

[Josh_G]

im in for this!

we dont have meth easily avalable to us in the UK, want as much power on pump as possible but dont mind upgrading HPFP/LPFP just dont want to add fueling with mixes not avalvble!

[Midwest_Xi]

He just sent me this

93 octane
TFT inlet system
Pure stage 2 Turbos (hi flow)

[3-Serious]

wow didn't see these last post's! that's awesome that people are making that those numbers. Maybe I should get back into the game.

[3-Serious]

Originally Posted by Midwest_Xi

He just sent me this

93 octane
TFT inlet system
Pure stage 2 Turbos (hi flow)

I assume he has an upgraded LPFP?? those are nice numbers!

[Midwest_Xi]

Originally Posted by 3-Serious

I assume he has an upgraded LPFP?? those are nice numbers!

I'll double check with him, but yes, stage 1 from fuel-it.

[3-Serious]

Originally Posted by Midwest_Xi

I'll double check with him, but yes, stage 1 from fuel-it.

and can you see who tuned his car? just curious thank you!

[terryd5150]

Originally Posted by Midwest_Xi

A local friend was able to hit a tad over 500 with pure 2, 93 and he is xi.

"Give_em_the_dd" but he is banned from here. I'll ask him to text me his dyno graphs.

WTF?

Why was Dave banned?

He's the kind of member every forum needs.

[Jklad]

Originally Posted by terryd5150

WTF?

Why was Dave banned?

He's the kind of member every forum needs.

He probably said something bad about one of the vendors...

[Midwest_Xi]

Originally Posted by terryd5150

WTF?

Why was Dave banned?

He's the kind of member every forum needs.

I think it's because he works for Fuel-It

E90post banned him after he made a post talking about one of their fuel pumps, I think. He didn't post prices, links, but yeah they gave him da boot! Lol

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

We've had a couple customers go about 520 or so whp on the GC lites, the GC's will make over 500 whp easily on pump gas. We made 570 whp with them back when we did 93 octane testing. Our tune was aggressive on boost but not timing -might be more there.

Chris

[terryd5150]

Originally Posted by Midwest_Xi

I think it's because he works for Fuel-It

E90post banned him after he made a post talking about one of their fuel pumps, I think. He didn't post prices, links, but yeah they gave him da boot! Lol

I can understand he may have walked a fine line but, if he didn't post prices or links, I would think banning would be a little harsh.

His build threads have served as excellent advertisements for the products that the forum vendors DO offer.

[Midwest_Xi]

Originally Posted by terryd5150

I can understand he may have walked a fine line but, if he didn't post prices or links, I would think banning would be a little harsh.

His build threads have served as excellent advertisements for the products that the forum vendors DO offer.

Originally Posted by terryd5150

I can understand he may have walked a fine line but, if he didn't post prices or links, I would think banning would be a little harsh.

His build threads have served as excellent advertisements for the products that the forum vendors DO offer.

I agree, I see him often, I'll post updates as he gives them.

Last he told me he was getting ready to go to the track tomorrow, not positive though.

[3-Serious]

Originally Posted by Chris@VargasTurboTech

We've had a couple customers go about 520 or so whp on the GC lites, the GC's will make over 500 whp easily on pump gas. We made 570 whp with them back when we did 93 octane testing. Our tune was aggressive on boost but not timing -might be more there.

Chris

570 on straight 93?? port injection?

[Torgus]

pure or rb have made 500 on 93 pump. If you want more and E85 is not an option spray meth.

[mike@x-ph.com]

I strongly recommend PURE turbos, impressive gains and very reliable

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

Originally Posted by 3-Serious

570 on straight 93?? port injection?

Yes sir! 570.

We turned PI on a little over 515 just for safety, but the fuel system had more in it, we just don't fool around with running near limits fuel wise.

It's worth noting that we didn't spend much time tuning to get here; cranked up the boost, ran low timing, and got some respectable numbers. I feel that some of the more talented tuners could probably take this further.

Chris

[JamesF1986]

Originally Posted by Chris@VargasTurboTech

Yes sir! 570.

We turned PI on a little over 515 just for safety, but the fuel system had more in it, we just don't fool around with running near limits fuel wise.

It's worth noting that we didn't spend much time tuning to get here; cranked up the boost, ran low timing, and got some respectable numbers. I feel that some of the more talented tuners could probably take this further.

Chris

What boost levels are people using on hybrid turbos running 94 octane pump (CAD)? I've just had Pure Stage 2 DD turbos installed and car is FBO, but am only running the standard "Map 6 boost targets" , which is 16psi. Obviously the car is able to run much higher with new turbos, but I'm not sure what boost levels are safe to run.

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

Really depends on how much timing you're running, how rich, etc. Seen a few guys in the vicinity of 20 psi but obviously much lower timing targets than ethanol maps at the same boost level.