POLL: If you could have any 2 gauges (boost, afr, etc..) what would they be?

RiXst3r · 05-06-2008, 11:55 AM

I am trying to figure out the most wanted combination for multiple gauges.

Forget about location, aesthetics's, etc... just think about what 2 points of information are most important.

I would think Boost and AFR , but I want everyones opinion... maybe coolant temp, voltage, EGT, etc..?

PLEASE PICK ONLY 2

Post your thoughts, and reasoning. Also, with your choices, consider the ease of install for the various sensors...

Thanks!
-Rick

Calgary Agent · 05-06-2008, 11:59 AM

I'd want Boost/Vac and AIT (which wasn't an option).

Curt2000 · 05-06-2008, 12:00 PM

Boost and Air/Fuel ratio....be sure you get a wideband...

ttdmac · 05-06-2008, 12:01 PM

I'm thinking speedo and tach. LOL

RiXst3r · 05-06-2008, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curt2000

Boost and Air/Fuel ratio....be sure you get a wideband...

yes, it would be wideband

RiXst3r · 05-06-2008, 12:02 PM

Hmm... I think I need a moderator to edit the poll... I want to add AIT, air intake temp as an option... and clarify that it would be wideband afr

ArmyBimmerDude · 05-06-2008, 12:03 PM

Boost for obvious reasons and EGT for exhaust temps to know if you're running too hot.

BMWdmk · 05-06-2008, 12:30 PM

gotta have water temp

e.n335 · 05-06-2008, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

Hmm... I think I need a moderator to edit the poll... I want to add AIT, air intake temp as an option... and clarify that it would be wideband afr

done

Malek@MRF · 05-06-2008, 12:34 PM

Boost and AFR Wideband. That is truly all you need.

EGT gauges are rather pointless unless you have a probe in each cylinder runner. Although they can give you an overall reading, it won't tell you if one cylinder is slightly lean or rich or too advanced or retarded. Most people don't have a clue what EGT readings are safe or harmful anyway as it varies from car to car. A 2jz-gte may be able to withstand 850*C EGT's while some other car is in danger at 700*C. Get what I mean?

Oil temp, the car already has one. Oil pressure is also not necessary on a car with stock cooling components and turbo's and oil pump.

Air Intake Temp-- Absolutely pointless
Coolant Temp---- Pointless
Fuel pressure---- Pointless on a stock fuel system

BMWdmk · 05-06-2008, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malekreza11

Boost and AFR Wideband. That is truly all you need.

EGT gauges are rather pointless unless you have a probe in each cylinder runner. Although they can give you an overall reading, it won't tell you if one cylinder is slightly lean or rich or too advanced or retarded. Most people don't have a clue what EGT readings are safe or harmful anyway as it varies from car to car. A 2jz-gte may be able to withstand 850*C EGT's while some other car is in danger at 700*C. Get what I mean?

Oil temp, the car already has one. Oil pressure is also not necessary on a car with stock cooling components and turbo's and oil pump.

Air Intake Temp-- Absolutely pointless
Coolant Temp---- Pointless
Fuel pressure---- Pointless on a stock fuel system

water temp?

e.n335 · 05-06-2008, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmkaldas

water temp?

= coolant temp.

I'm not a tuner at all but I don't think water temp is pointless, quite some 335i go to limp mode on the track thus the coolant gets too hot. Knowing EGT's can prevent cylinders 5+6 from running too hot. Sure, Boost/vac and AFR are the most important gauges.

Malek@MRF · 05-06-2008, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e.n335

= coolant temp.

I'm not a tuner at all but I don't think water temp is pointless, quite some 335i go to limp mode on the track thus the coolant gets too hot. Knowing EGT's can prevent cylinders 5+6 from running too hot. Sure, boost and afr are most important.

I see where you are going with this, but this is not a tuner's problem or the car being modified, this is BMW's issue in the end. A car shouldnt go into a limp mode once its tracked. What ever happened to "the ultimate driving machine"? lol

But anyway, on a serious note, for FI applications, coolant temp is not a necessary gauge. A properly designed cooling system from the get-go will maintain proper coolant temperatures regardless. Yes there are fluctuations in the coolant temp, but it should never go so far out of range that the ECU deems its unsafe and throws a limp.

335ICoupe · 05-06-2008, 01:06 PM

Already have your Pod with boost/Vac

AFR Wideband would be nice for tuning....

Nikolas · 05-06-2008, 01:59 PM

I think EGT and Boost would be the most necessary with a tuned car, especially if tracking.

Panoz · 05-06-2008, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

Boost for obvious reasons and EGT for exhaust temps to know if you're running too hot.

+1.000.000

In terms of safety for the motor this is the one i would be looking for.

Rix- If you are planing to make something like this , i will be your first client. Just make it looking good

RiXst3r · 05-06-2008, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panoz

+1.000.000

In terms of safety for the motor this is the one i would be looking for.

Rix- If you are planing to make something like this , i will be your first client. Just make it looking good

I am in the design stages now of a dual gauge setup... hence the question

Most people only need or want the 1 gauge, but for you freaks out there with the need for info, I have something in the works, and you are going to LOVE it

mwahlert · 05-06-2008, 05:06 PM

i wouldn't want two gauges - i would want one that does boost and wideband AFR.... such a thing exists...

RiXst3r · 05-06-2008, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mwahlert

i wouldn't want two gauges - i would want one that does boost and wideband AFR.... such a thing exists...

Thats kinda the point of this post

I would be combining the 2 functions into 1 guage, in a specific application for our cars, like with my pod kits.

-Rick

e90AW335i · 05-06-2008, 05:28 PM

I wonder why Matt (Mattscott) voted for every single one.....

Panoz · 05-06-2008, 05:46 PM

Could you design something to fit into ashtray/glassholder ?

hotrod2448 · 05-06-2008, 06:30 PM

Boost/vac: Useful for obvious reasons
Oil pressure: close to useless, by the time you notice you have none engine has eaten itself.
Oil temp: have one in the dash
Water temp: Oil temp will reflect water temp somewhat
Air/Fuel ratio (wideband AFR): Good for info.
Fuel pressure: Do they make one that goes up to 3000psi?
Volts: not a critical system in terms of potential engine damage
EGT (exhaust gas temp): Good info, really need two, don't want to weld in bungs in manifolds.
Compass (heading): in mirror, and nav
AIT (air intake temp): might be good to know but, not really much you can do about it.

You could just use this:
http://www.aeroforcetech.com/Interce...eral_info.html
or this:
http://shop.edoperformance.com/plx-d...t-p-10924.html

They wouldn't be good for anything a piggy back would be modifying but, if you are running a flash like a lot of people are soon going to be it will work great.

View Poll Results: Pick the 2 most wanted addon gauges, what would YOU want
Boost/vac	136	91.28%
Oil pressure	21	14.09%
Oil temp	18	12.08%
Water temp	18	12.08%
Air/Fuel ratio (wideband AFR)	59	39.60%
Fuel pressure	7	4.70%
Volts	5	3.36%
EGT (exhaust gas temp)	24	16.11%
Compass (heading)	5	3.36%
AIT (air intake temp)	22	14.77%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 149. You may not vote on this poll

05-06-2008, 11:55 AM	#1
RiXst3r 288 Rep 6,510 Posts Drives: M235i Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ohio iTrader: (14)	POLL: If you could have any 2 gauges (boost, afr, etc..) what would they be? I am trying to figure out the most wanted combination for multiple gauges. Forget about location, aesthetics's, etc... just think about what 2 points of information are most important. I would think Boost and AFR , but I want everyones opinion... maybe coolant temp, voltage, EGT, etc..? PLEASE PICK ONLY 2 Post your thoughts, and reasoning. Also, with your choices, consider the ease of install for the various sensors... Thanks! -Rick
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Calgary Agent Captain 21 Rep 703 Posts Drives: '11 550i Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Calgary, Canada iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 F10 550i [0.00]	I'd want Boost/Vac and AIT (which wasn't an option). __________________ '11 550i \| AT \| Dark Graphite on Black
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05-06-2008, 12:00 PM	#3
Curt2000 Brigadier General 1036 Rep 3,159 Posts Drives: '10 E93 M3 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: KY iTrader: (25)	Boost and Air/Fuel ratio....be sure you get a wideband... __________________ Former Car: '16 SUNBURST GOLD F80 ///M3--6MT/Carbon Cloth (ED Thread) Former Car:'13 SANTORINI BLUE E92///M3--6MT/Speed Cloth/ZCP(ED Thread) INSTAGRAM:@C2KMotorsports
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ttdmac Second Lieutenant 5 Rep 201 Posts Drives: E92 335i - Blk Saph/Coral Red Join Date: May 2005 Location: Indianapolis iTrader: (1)	I'm thinking speedo and tach. LOL
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RiXst3r 288 Rep 6,510 Posts Drives: M235i Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ohio iTrader: (14)	Hmm... I think I need a moderator to edit the poll... I want to add AIT, air intake temp as an option... and clarify that it would be wideband afr
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ArmyBimmerDude Major General 156 Rep 5,497 Posts Drives: Lola Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Georgia iTrader: (3) Garage List 02/2007 E92 335i [0.00]	Boost for obvious reasons and EGT for exhaust temps to know if you're running too hot. __________________ 2007 E92 Montego Blue 335i
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BMWdmk Rollin 3rd 107 Rep 1,233 Posts Drives: Something fast Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Chino Hills iTrader: (15)	gotta have water temp
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Malek@MRF Brigadier General 740 Rep 3,732 Posts Drives: E92 M3, E46 M3, G82 M4 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Irvine, California iTrader: (5)	Boost and AFR Wideband. That is truly all you need. EGT gauges are rather pointless unless you have a probe in each cylinder runner. Although they can give you an overall reading, it won't tell you if one cylinder is slightly lean or rich or too advanced or retarded. Most people don't have a clue what EGT readings are safe or harmful anyway as it varies from car to car. A 2jz-gte may be able to withstand 850C EGT's while some other car is in danger at 700C. Get what I mean? Oil temp, the car already has one. Oil pressure is also not necessary on a car with stock cooling components and turbo's and oil pump. Air Intake Temp-- Absolutely pointless Coolant Temp---- Pointless Fuel pressure---- Pointless on a stock fuel system __________________ BMW PERFORMANCE SPECIALISTS. Race Engines. Suspension. F/I. Brakes. Race Preparation. Factory Service. Alignments. OFFICIAL PARTNERS: KW. MOTON. Brembo. AP Racing. BBS Motorsport. iND. HRE. Turner Motorsport. VAC. BMW Motorsport. Facebook \| Instagram \| Yelp! \| Flikr Phone: 949-233-0448 \| E-Mail: info@mrfengineering.com
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335ICoupe Second Lieutenant 11 Rep 208 Posts Drives: 2008 M3 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: South Florida iTrader: (1)	Already have your Pod with boost/Vac AFR Wideband would be nice for tuning.... Last edited by 335ICoupe; 05-06-2008 at 01:41 PM..
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05-06-2008, 01:59 PM	#15
Nikolas Colonel 313 Rep 2,576 Posts Drives: 996 TT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sierra Mountains iTrader: (0)	I think EGT and Boost would be the most necessary with a tuned car, especially if tracking.
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mwahlert Lieutenant Colonel 97 Rep 1,659 Posts Drives: 2009 335i Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: NC iTrader: (8)	i wouldn't want two gauges - i would want one that does boost and wideband AFR.... such a thing exists...
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05-06-2008, 05:28 PM	#20
e90AW335i Major General 144 Rep 6,608 Posts Drives: e90 335i Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: ...... iTrader: (4)	I wonder why Matt (Mattscott) voted for every single one..... __________________ I install all tunes, intakes, o2 simms, and most cosmetic mods. PM me for a quote.
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Panoz Lieutenant Colonel 87 Rep 1,575 Posts Drives: E92 Space Grey 335i ,Aero Kit Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: EU iTrader: (0)	Could you design something to fit into ashtray/glassholder ? __________________ Procede V4 , Catless DPs, Forge FMIC, Injen Intake, VK Oilcooler, Hartge Quads Exhaust, Modded CDV, Synapse BOV Kit, BMW Performance 335i SSK Kit, P3 vent boost gauge Space Grey 335i -> See more pics HERE
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hotrod2448 grand poobah 257 Rep 2,253 Posts Drives: F80 M3, F10 535i Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 335d [0.00]	Boost/vac: Useful for obvious reasons Oil pressure: close to useless, by the time you notice you have none engine has eaten itself. Oil temp: have one in the dash Water temp: Oil temp will reflect water temp somewhat Air/Fuel ratio (wideband AFR): Good for info. Fuel pressure: Do they make one that goes up to 3000psi? Volts: not a critical system in terms of potential engine damage EGT (exhaust gas temp): Good info, really need two, don't want to weld in bungs in manifolds. Compass (heading): in mirror, and nav AIT (air intake temp): might be good to know but, not really much you can do about it. You could just use this: http://www.aeroforcetech.com/Interce...eral_info.html or this: http://shop.edoperformance.com/plx-d...t-p-10924.html They wouldn't be good for anything a piggy back would be modifying but, if you are running a flash like a lot of people are soon going to be it will work great.
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