[BimmerMat135]

We now know where all the money is going.

http://www.autoblog.com/2017/06/28/b...tric-3-series/

[rainfall]

this is nonsense. Where is the ultimate driving machine thing?

[JorgenM]

Haha good for them, it's their own choice

Will never ever buy another ICE car. EV is so much better.

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by rainfall

this is nonsense. Where is the ultimate driving machine thing?

autotrader.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by JorgenM

Haha good for them, it's their own choice

Will never ever buy another ICE car. EV is so much better.

Good for you if you like to be driven rather than drive.

[Viffermike]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Good for you if you like to be driven rather than drive.

Note where JorgenM is located. He's biased, both by availability and by government mandate/incentive.

I'm not saying that EV isn't a viable option. I'm saying that Norway, considering the oil reserves it has, is currently pacing the world in hypocritical environmental viewpoints ...

[The Wind Breezes]

I for one could not be more excited about the future electric offerings. Aside from my brief experiences with Tesla and the i3, I build and race high power electric bikes let me tell you it is crazy fun. For actual driving / riding enjoyment, electric motors CANNOT be beat. The power density is way, way higher than for combustion engines and torque curve is as ideal as you can get. The batteries are expensive and not that good yet, but they're very usable and will only get better.

Originally Posted by rainfall

this is nonsense. Where is the ultimate driving machine thing?

That is and was only a marketing strategy. Try a Miata, 370z, shifter kart, or motorcycle if the ultimate driving experience is what you're after.

[rainfall]

Originally Posted by The Wind Breezes

I for one could not be more excited about the future electric offerings. Aside from my brief experiences with Tesla and the i3, I build and race high power electric bikes let me tell you it is crazy fun. For actual driving / riding enjoyment, electric motors CANNOT be beat. The power density is way, way higher than for combustion engines and torque curve is as ideal as you can get. The batteries are expensive and not that good yet, but they're very usable and will only get better.



That is and was only a marketing strategy. Try a Miata, 370z, shifter kart, or motorcycle if the ultimate driving experience is what you're after.

Good point on the bike thing. I might switch my interest to sport bikes (like a Honda CBR600RR). Will save me some good tens of thousands of dollars.

It's a more dangerous sport though. Go kart is less convenient.

[KenB925]

Originally Posted by rainfall

this is nonsense. Where is the ultimate driving machine thing?

2006

[Wolf 335]

Originally Posted by rainfall

this is nonsense. Where is the ultimate driving machine thing?

1996 - 2012 (and from 2006 to 2012 is iffy and questionable)

[pz619]

Perfect! Give us the biggest motor and manual transmissions. There, simplified!

[oolas3]

Originally Posted by Wolf 335

1996 - 2012 (and from 2006 to 2012 is iffy and questionable)

2006-2012 gave us the 1M, e90 M3, and the Z4M.

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by Wolf 335

1986 - 2012 (and from 2006 to 2012 is iffy and questionable)

FTFY

[KenB925]

Originally Posted by Chihuahua

FTFY

for real! bmw is still riding in the rep they earned with the e30