[Brule]

My mate AD Engineering has made a good looking lpfp setup.

It holds 2 walbro 465 pumps and would out flow fuel its offerings.
It was made for cars when fuel its stage 3 ran out of fuel.

I have enquire about pricing today.

I do not encourage buying off this guy but it's a good looking and effective setup.

[Brule]

Bottom view

[Aus335iguy]

Youre a sucker for punishment aren't you? It is a nice looking setup though. Shame no one will see it ...

[Aus335iguy]

I have a question though... Wouldn't it be easier/cheaper to just do it the old fashioned way and have a hi flow lift pump into a surge tank with a nice big 1000hp pump off the end? in tank pumps are a PITA.... always were.

[Brule]

Was going to get a radium triple walbro which cost around $1500.

After going to some recent car events I had a look at a few of the 1000-2000 hp methanol pumps also.

[MJ80.]

Hes a bastard but thats a real nice setup lol.

[Brule]

This won't be available for a while.
A few people in his town have them but you can't log lpfp without external devices.

I think it can be logged off voltage draw only at the moment.

[Pete.J]

Is this bucketless? looks like you'd never want to run this setup under 1/4 of a tank at minimum. For a track car, looks like there will be some fuel starvation when cornering, if petrol level dips past a certain point in the tank.


Off-topic:

Brule, how did you end up settling everything with AD Engineering?

From what I've read, the guy isn't a scammer, but he LITERALLY has the worst customer service in history!

Apparently he refuses to hire anyone else to help him run the business, he does it all himself, and this always results in massive delays to ship orders, and terrible communication with customers!

Anyway, good luck for him running his business that way, I got his thermostat in my car. Apart from that never dealt with him or his products.

[vtl]

Theres no fuel level sender or any plumbing to get fuel from the left side of the tank? So basicallly you cant use 50% of your tank capacity. Wonder how well the hydramats work doesn't look like the setup would work that well under cornering

[Brule]

Yea there's pumps on both sides of the tank. But when the oem side runs out of fuel your stuffed.

He's trying to sort something out

I called him and talked for about ten minutes this morning.

[Brule]

My driveshaft has not even been started.


The guy who made the initial driveshaft isn't making them again.

I'm working remote for two months so it doesn't matter anymore.

[vtl]

Originally Posted by Brule

My driveshaft has not even been started.


The guy who made the initial driveshaft isn't making them again.

I'm working remote for two months so it doesn't matter anymore.

If by 2 months he doesnt have your propshaft done and you're sick of dealing with that guy I know of a local guy to me who could build one within a week. I paid $300 for a custom propshaft made up by Jeff from Knox Driveshaft Services here in VIC. Works out of his garage, no stuffing around. If you have some donor pieces and the specifications then you can get him to build you one. Socket has a spare E82 135i propshaft he will never use.

[Brule]

I have contacted someone in nsw that deals with DSS in the us.

He is getting me a quote.

If I was staying in town I would get a temporary one made up.

I won't be home for 8 weeks so I don't really care anymore.

[101Duck]

this wont outflow my twin pump setup and mine stays completely functional.

it's a very weird way of doing it. VERY weird. I don't understand the concept of doing it this way.

But he does know a lot so surely there is a method to this madness.

[101Duck]

also, what makes you say this is a "decent" twin walbro setup. because it has some billet parts? I don't understand.

We are looking at getting the fuel to the engine with maximum flow when required. billet is pretty looking, but I can't remember the last time I looked at my pump setup after I installed it.

[Aus335iguy]

Originally Posted by 101Duck

also, what makes you say this is a "decent" twin walbro setup. because it has some billet parts? I don't understand.

We are looking at getting the fuel to the engine with maximum flow when required. billet is pretty looking, but I can't remember the last time I looked at my pump setup after I installed it.

I reckon use a single in tank pump, into a decent surge tank and then run a couple of fat 044s off that and call it a day. I'd also stop fucking around with DI and go full standalone PI tried tested and proven to make as much power as you want and tuning experts everywhere.

[101Duck]

Originally Posted by Aus335iguy

I reckon use a single in tank pump, into a decent surge tank and then run a couple of fat 044s off that and call it a day. I'd also stop fucking around with DI and go full standalone PI tried tested and proven to make as much power as you want and tuning experts everywhere.

you couldn't be more wrong on any front here.

First of all:

Bosch 044 flow rate is around 250lph
https://www.efihardware.com/products...uel-pump-700HP

walbro 460 is 450lph
https://www.efihardware.com/products...Flow-Fuel-Pump

so, you need 2 044's to flow what 1 walbro does (ballpark) and the bosch pumps are so prone to overheating when run for long times they lose flow from getting hot. so they suck even more.

in my own cars I've had 7 044's fail in the last 10 years. and 0 walbro's. (and I've owned a lot of cars, making a lot of hp)

So 044's suck, secondly, fuck running a surge tank on a street car when you don't need to. that's more plumbing, more wasted room, and for what? being able to run the tank super low and hit corners hard. If you are too retarded to fill your tank up. then buy a camry and run out of fuel on the m1 like all the other people out there. lol

Secondly, changing to PI only is fine, but there are a fair few hurdles to overcome if you do, firstly, the DME can't support it. secondly the comp ratio is pretty high and on pump fuel would be a drama. on e85 the comp ratio is pretty decent but you would need to change to complete stand alone ecu and I hate the one warning light i have for cornering lights not working, let alone the 400 I'd have from the dme not being connected anymore. and the lack of working gauges etc.

Until there is a solid DI solution, staged DI+PI is the best solution IMO. DI is great for fuel economy, great for emissions, great for so many reasons, you can put your car around town with near on standard fuel economy and then the staged system means you have enough fueling there to support you at wide open throttle.

You look back to 1999 and see where the 32 gtr modifying scene was at once they were out for 10 years. it was nowhere. the n54 has 10 times the support now, and luckily there is 500 times more of them, shipped to more countries and they're getting cheap enough for people to buy them and spend 15-20k on them, which makes them a perfect tuner car and the support will only grow more.

/rant

[Brule]

The reason I think it's decent cause it's a simple looking setup that gets rid of the bucket.

It's got two pumps with low restriction so I like it.

The reason I wanted a radium setup was after seeing vtt setup and how much it could flow.

What do you think is a good lpfp setup to get 7-800hp?

[101Duck]

Originally Posted by Brule

The reason I think it's decent cause it's a simple looking setup that gets rid of the bucket.

It's got two pumps with low restriction so I like it.

The reason I wanted a radium setup was after seeing vtt setup and how much it could flow.

What do you think is a good lpfp setup to get 7-800hp?

I run twin walbro 460 in the tank. one feeding the stock fuel filter and bucket, the other feeding a seperate -6 feed line, with a -6 return, a turbosmart regulator (rising rate) and seperate filter. lines are tee'd together before the HPFP. so basically running twin feed lines, single return, in the stock tank through the stock hat. bucketless. (basically similar to a fuel-it stage 4 setup)

my car makes over 700 through a 5000rpm stall and a powerglide transmission. Estimating it'll be making somewhere around 950 at the engine.

two walbro's is more than enough. I'll keep winding up the power and let you know when I need to add a third. I don't see it happening any time soon though! haha

[Aus335iguy]

Originally Posted by 101Duck

you couldn't be more wrong on any front here.

First of all:

Bosch 044 flow rate is around 250lph
https://www.efihardware.com/products...uel-pump-700HP

walbro 460 is 450lph
https://www.efihardware.com/products...Flow-Fuel-Pump

so, you need 2 044's to flow what 1 walbro does (ballpark) and the bosch pumps are so prone to overheating when run for long times they lose flow from getting hot. so they suck even more.

in my own cars I've had 7 044's fail in the last 10 years. and 0 walbro's. (and I've owned a lot of cars, making a lot of hp)

So 044's suck, secondly, fuck running a surge tank on a street car when you don't need to. that's more plumbing, more wasted room, and for what? being able to run the tank super low and hit corners hard. If you are too retarded to fill your tank up. then buy a camry and run out of fuel on the m1 like all the other people out there. lol

Secondly, changing to PI only is fine, but there are a fair few hurdles to overcome if you do, firstly, the DME can't support it. secondly the comp ratio is pretty high and on pump fuel would be a drama. on e85 the comp ratio is pretty decent but you would need to change to complete stand alone ecu and I hate the one warning light i have for cornering lights not working, let alone the 400 I'd have from the dme not being connected anymore. and the lack of working gauges etc.

Until there is a solid DI solution, staged DI+PI is the best solution IMO. DI is great for fuel economy, great for emissions, great for so many reasons, you can put your car around town with near on standard fuel economy and then the staged system means you have enough fueling there to support you at wide open throttle.

You look back to 1999 and see where the 32 gtr modifying scene was at once they were out for 10 years. it was nowhere. the n54 has 10 times the support now, and luckily there is 500 times more of them, shipped to more countries and they're getting cheap enough for people to buy them and spend 15-20k on them, which makes them a perfect tuner car and the support will only grow more.

/rant

Well thanks for taking the time to write that up. I stand corrected.

[T1M]

Originally Posted by 101Duck

I run twin walbro 460 in the tank. one feeding the stock fuel filter and bucket, the other feeding a seperate -6 feed line, with a -6 return, a turbosmart regulator (rising rate) and seperate filter. lines are tee'd together before the HPFP. so basically running twin feed lines, single return, in the stock tank through the stock hat. bucketless. (basically similar to a fuel-it stage 4 setup)

my car makes over 700 through a 5000rpm stall and a powerglide transmission. Estimating it'll be making somewhere around 950 at the engine.

two walbro's is more than enough. I'll keep winding up the power and let you know when I need to add a third. I don't see it happening any time soon though! haha

What are you feeding your PI fuel rail with?