NEW: Vishnu Dual Intake System

OpenFlash · 06-04-2008, 10:18 PM

One of the things that surprised us about this market is that after nearly two years, there is no proper intake system available for the 135/335/535. By proper, I mean one that provides ALL of the following:

1) Separated and symmetrical airflow to both turbochargers (no restriction bias)
2) Low pressure loss in high power application (sufficient filtration area)
3) Good fitment (doesn't rub against important stuff under the hood)
4) Durability (flanges don't tear)

So.... we made one. Here are some pics:

Technical Junk:

The stock airbox is restrictive at power levels much greater than 340whp (Dynojet). This does not mean that it cannot support more power. It just means that vacuum develops at the turbo inlet and the turbos need to spin harder than they need to. This generates more heat and exhaust backpressure do to the higher pressure ratio. By eliminating this vacuum, the turbos are relieved of unnecessary strain and can make more power with less heat and exhaust backpressure. Need proof? It's coming later in this post.

What is "wrong" with the factory airbox?
At stock power levels, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the stock airbox. It flows enough air with minimal restriction. But at higher-than-stock power levels/airflow, it is the N54's Achilles heel. And here's why:

Here's a picture of the factory airbox:

Here's how airflow must flow before it gets to the turbos:

Notice how the airflow gets restricted as it has to make the 180 deg bend just downstream of the air filter. This is the major sources of restriction with the factory airbox. This is also why drop-in air filter upgrades are only worth a few horsepower and not the 15-25whp we often see with our high flow Dual Intake System!

The other source of restriction is the air filter itself (next to one of our filters):

The factory filter only has approx 90 square inches of surface area. This is insufficient for the 340+whp the PROcede is easily capable of supporting. Each one of our filters offers nearly 100 square inches of surface area! With 2 filters in the system, total surface are is over twice that of stock! This might sound like overkill but it isn't. Imagine what happens when the filters accumulate dirt and effective flow rate gets compromised. Even when handicapped with dirt, our Dual Intake System is easily capable of supporting up to 450whp worth of airflow. And making the job of the turbocharger as easy possible while doing so.

Here's the inside of one of our air filters:

Notice the inverted cone design implemented inside the filter to smoothen airflow as it enters the intake tube leading to the turbocharger inlet. Just one of the little features implemented to reduce restriction and airflow turbulence.

What about cold air ducting?
The truth behind the matter is that lack of restriction is far more important than "cold air ducting". Especially in intercooled turbo systems. In such a system, the only temperature that matters is that of the air as it enters the intake manifold. But this air has already been on a long journey. It originally entered the system at the air filters. Then it travelled through the turbos, through a bunch of piping, then through the intercooler, through more piping and only then to the intake manifold. With the exception of when it passed through the intercooler, the air picked up heat at every stop. The largest heat gain occurred in the turbo during the compression stage. Here, air temps can easily rise by 150 deg F. A whole lot more than the 10-30 deg F gained from drawing air from under the hood (and not through a cold air box.)

With the vast majority of heat generated in the compression stage, it makes sense to address this stage and see what we can do to cool things down. First of all, we can actually reduce the amount of compression. And yes, we can do this without reducing boost pressure simply by eliminating the negative pressure (vacuum) at the turbocharger inlet. This reduces the pressure ratio which makes the turbo spin slower and generates less heat. And not only is there less heat generated through the reduction in compressor RPM, the amount of exhaust backpressure is also reduced. Add both effects together and you get a car that makes more power with less stress on the turbo. In fact, at 14-15psi of boost, our Dual Intake system offers a 15-25whp advantage over the stock cold air ducted airbox. And not only that, intake temps at the intake manifold is measurably cooler (that's what datalogging is for!).

Is it easy to install?
Yes. Total install time shouldn't take more than 15 minutes. Same goes for removal.

Will it make the car louder?
You will hear a bit more induction noise. But nothing obtrusive. Most people like the extra sound.

How much power will I make with it?
With our PROcede v3 running the standard map, on an otherwise stock car, expect to see 360-370whp on a dynojet. Assuming proper testing methods of course (good intercooler fans, reasonable ventilation, etc,.)

Ok. So how much does this cost?
$195 plus shipping.

Can I make the same thing for cheaper?
Of course you can! You could have also bought a DIY kit car instead of your BMW.

Is it available now for purchase now?
Not just yet. We'll start taking orders within the next few days. And start shipping next week

e90AW335i · 06-04-2008, 10:28 PM

Looks good Shiv.....

tomtom · 06-04-2008, 10:30 PM

this product is long overdue...I'd pay $195 for this system. Wish this came out before I bought my new filter upgrade.
Good looking product! Can't wait to try it.

jpsimon · 06-04-2008, 10:31 PM

I'm loving my dual cone setup (which I just made DIY style). Honestly, if you buy all the pieces yourself (and/or get the connecting pieces fabricated at Midas Muffler) the price will be very close to this... so you might as well just buy the Vishnu setup.

Hunter399 · 06-04-2008, 10:31 PM

Ok I want that now

Dr_Dirt · 06-04-2008, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

How much power will I make with it?
With our PROcede v3 running the standard map, on an otherwise stock car, expect to see 360-370whp on a dynojet. Assuming proper testing methods of course (good intercooler fans, reasonable ventilation, etc,.)

When you say proper testing methods, ventilation etc, is that test done with the hood open or closed?

e90AW335i · 06-04-2008, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunter399

Ok I want that now

Let me know if you wanna set up a dyno day Hunter. I am thinking I am gonna put my DPs on and go for 400rwhp....

06-04-2008, 10:34 PM

Can you run the AA bov with this setup (fitment wise)?

Digital.James · 06-04-2008, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GAMEOVR

Can you run the AA bov with this setup (fitment wise)?

Not sure about AA BOV, but it works with the CPE BOV.

OpenFlash · 06-04-2008, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomtom

this product is long overdue...I'd pay $195 for this system. Wish this came out before I bought my new filter upgrade.
Good looking product! Can't wait to try it.

It's funny. I've been running this intake on my car since last year. I posted up pictures and even made a few kits for people. I even saw one of my hand built kits end up on a competitors "shop" car. I assumed it would just be copied a million times over by now given the power it makes. Not that there is much to copy. It's two filters and a couple of machined metal tubes. But I guess I was wrong

Shiv

normtrum · 06-04-2008, 10:37 PM

I already have one

Makes juuuust the right amount of sound too....not to loud, not to quite.

Thanks Dustin

Digital.James · 06-04-2008, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

It's funny. I've been running this intake on my car since last year. I posted up pictures and even made a few kits for people. I even saw one of my hand built kits end up on a competitors "shop" car. I assumed it would just be copied a million times over by now given the power it makes. Not that there is much to copy. It's two filters and a couple of machined metal tubes. But I guess I was wrong

Shiv

Because people are lazy. And when it comes to a $50k car, I think most people are against jury rigging a product.

Digital.James · 06-04-2008, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by normtrum

I already have one

Makes juuuust the right amount of sound too....not to loud, not to quite.

Thanks Dustin

They sound great on your car

335iheLLraiseR · 06-04-2008, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GAMEOVR

Can you run the AA bov with this setup (fitment wise)?

yes, as well as the ever elusive perfect strut bar fitment.

lacartus · 06-04-2008, 10:40 PM

Nice. I've always been partial to the open-ended filter elements--more surface area!

DANMACINSD · 06-04-2008, 10:41 PM

Shiv,
Can we order replacement filter elements or are these the wash and re-use type? Definately great. I too am surprised by the lack of good intake systems available.

dzenno · 06-04-2008, 10:41 PM

I still like my UR CAI, but this is not bad either, especially price wise

tomtom · 06-04-2008, 10:42 PM

any fitment issues with Forge DVs?

nj335i · 06-04-2008, 10:43 PM

I've been waiting for someone to offer this! I'm in for one!

Calgary Agent · 06-04-2008, 10:44 PM

I like it

I want one

ulises 335i · 06-04-2008, 10:45 PM

Whats the model number of the filter? Please

OpenFlash · 06-04-2008, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomtom

any fitment issues with Forge DVs?

Nope. I have them on my car too.

Don't know about the elusive strut tower brace. They are so elusive that i have yet to see one.

Haven't tested fitment with the AA bov kit so I have no idea.

There is some adjustability with the intake but not much. We're fitting as much filter as we can in that tight space

Shiv

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Here are some pics: Technical Junk: The stock airbox is restrictive at power levels much greater than 340whp (Dynojet). This does not mean that it cannot support more power. It just means that vacuum develops at the turbo inlet and the turbos need to spin harder than they need to. This generates more heat and exhaust backpressure do to the higher pressure ratio. By eliminating this vacuum, the turbos are relieved of unnecessary strain and can make more power with less heat and exhaust backpressure. Need proof? It's coming later in this post. *What is "wrong" with the factory airbox?* At stock power levels, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the stock airbox. It flows enough air with minimal restriction. But at higher-than-stock power levels/airflow, it is the N54's Achilles heel. And here's why: Here's a picture of the factory airbox: Here's how airflow must flow before it gets to the turbos: Notice how the airflow gets restricted as it has to make the 180 deg bend just downstream of the air filter. This is the major sources of restriction with the factory airbox. This is also why drop-in air filter upgrades are only worth a few horsepower and not the 15-25whp we often see with our high flow Dual Intake System! The other source of restriction is the air filter itself (next to one of our filters): The factory filter only has approx 90 square inches of surface area. This is insufficient for the 340+whp the PROcede is easily capable of supporting. Each one of our filters offers nearly 100 square inches of surface area! With 2 filters in the system, total surface are is over twice that of stock! This might sound like overkill but it isn't. Imagine what happens when the filters accumulate dirt and effective flow rate gets compromised. Even when handicapped with dirt, our Dual Intake System is easily capable of supporting up to 450whp worth of airflow. And making the job of the turbocharger as easy possible while doing so. Here's the inside of one of our air filters: Notice the inverted cone design implemented inside the filter to smoothen airflow as it enters the intake tube leading to the turbocharger inlet. Just one of the little features implemented to reduce restriction and airflow turbulence. *What about cold air ducting?* The truth behind the matter is that lack of restriction is far more important than "cold air ducting". Especially in intercooled turbo systems. In such a system, the only temperature that matters is that of the air as it enters the intake manifold. But this air has already been on a long journey. It originally entered the system at the air filters. Then it travelled through the turbos, through a bunch of piping, then through the intercooler, through more piping and only then to the intake manifold. With the exception of when it passed through the intercooler, the air picked up heat at every stop. The largest heat gain occurred in the turbo during the compression stage. Here, air temps can easily rise by 150 deg F. A whole lot more than the 10-30 deg F gained from drawing air from under the hood (and not through a cold air box.) With the vast majority of heat generated in the compression stage, it makes sense to address this stage and see what we can do to cool things down. First of all, we can actually reduce the amount of compression. And yes, we can do this without reducing boost pressure simply by eliminating the negative pressure (vacuum) at the turbocharger inlet. This reduces the pressure ratio which makes the turbo spin slower and generates less heat. And not only is there less heat generated through the reduction in compressor RPM, the amount of exhaust backpressure is also reduced. Add both effects together and you get a car that makes more power with less stress on the turbo. In fact, at 14-15psi of boost, our Dual Intake system offers a 15-25whp advantage over the stock cold air ducted airbox. And not only that, intake temps at the intake manifold is measurably cooler (that's what datalogging is for!). *Is it easy to install?* Yes. Total install time shouldn't take more than 15 minutes. Same goes for removal. *Will it make the car louder?* You will hear a bit more induction noise. But nothing obtrusive. Most people like the extra sound. *How much power will I make with it?* With our PROcede v3 running the standard map, on an otherwise stock car, expect to see 360-370whp on a dynojet. Assuming proper testing methods of course (good intercooler fans, reasonable ventilation, etc,.) *Ok. So how much does this cost?* $195 plus shipping. *Can I make the same thing for cheaper?* Of course you can! You could have also bought a DIY kit car instead of your BMW. *Is it available now for purchase now?* Not just yet. We'll start taking orders within the next few days. And start shipping next week
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