[kwakr738]

I have read quite a few posts on the Dinan ECU Flash, but I was wondering other things then HP numbers. My car is almost done with break in, and I am considering a flash.

-Who did your flash, dealer or independent garage? Is their a difference in labor prices?

-Do you actually receive a physical device after the car is done flashing? If so, can you flash another car?

-What version ECU and program are you using?

I apologize for all the questions.

Thanks,
Alan

[Bubbles]

-Who did your flash, dealer or independent garage? Is their a difference in labor prices? DEALER, labor depends on shop, bargain with them.

-Do you actually receive a physical device after the car is done flashing? If so, can you flash another car? NO and NO

-What version ECU and program are you using? PRE 29.2, REV 1 FLASH. There may be issues with 29.2 and the Flash, but this has not been confirmed.


+53-56 WHP gains, there are plenty of dynos here, just search.

[kwakr738]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

-Who did your flash, dealer or independent garage? Is their a difference in labor prices? DEALER, labor depends on shop, bargain with them.

-Do you actually receive a physical device after the car is done flashing? If so, can you flash another car? NO and NO

-What version ECU and program are you using? PRE 29.2, REV 1 FLASH. There may be issues with 29.2 and the Flash, but this has not been confirmed.


+53-56 WHP gains, there are plenty of dynos here, just search.

Thanks for the response. I was reading on Dinan website that DME v81 is not yet supported. What version DME are you using?

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by kwakr738

Thanks for the response. I was reading on Dinan website that DME v81 is not yet supported. What version DME are you using?

The only other DME that there is (AFAIK), v80.

[kwakr738]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

The only other DME that there is (AFAIK), v80.

Is anyone using the MSDv81?

[StarrDlux]

maybe steve dinan himself but if it existed for public release we'd be hearing about it on this forum

The problem i am seeing is that people aren't getting the same power output. And this is one of the reasons i bought my in-stock car versus a DME81 car. If it turns out that dinan or (vish/etc) can't make as much power today right now then i would have been sad.

I am sure in like 2 years the whole landscape will have changed. Right now the tuners are doing too much blow and hookers :P with all their money ; give them a chance to work out the kinks.

Hop on over to any forum where there is a motor with boost and you'll see the same story.

warranties voided
dealers being a pita
updates being a pita
yadda.

You know what bums me is if this is the future and modding is not going to be around much longer then being a boost-head i will be sad.

[RBBMWE46M3]

Originally Posted by kwakr738

I have read quite a few posts on the Dinan ECU Flash, but I was wondering other things then HP numbers. My car is almost done with break in, and I am considering a flash.

-Who did your flash, dealer or independent garage? Is their a difference in labor prices?

-Do you actually receive a physical device after the car is done flashing? If so, can you flash another car?

-What version ECU and program are you using?

I apologize for all the questions.




Thanks,
Alan

Please define break in????

[kwakr738]

Originally Posted by StarrDlux

maybe steve dinan himself but if it existed for public release we'd be hearing about it on this forum

The problem i am seeing is that people aren't getting the same power output. And this is one of the reasons i bought my in-stock car versus a DME81 car. If it turns out that dinan or (vish/etc) can't make as much power today right now then i would have been sad.

I am sure in like 2 years the whole landscape will have changed. Right now the tuners are doing too much blow and hookers :P with all their money ; give them a chance to work out the kinks.

Hop on over to any forum where there is a motor with boost and you'll see the same story.

warranties voided
dealers being a pita
updates being a pita
yadda.

You know what bums me is if this is the future and modding is not going to be around much longer then being a boost-head i will be sad.

Thanks Starr for the response, I too need to time to indulge in my crystal meth and toothless crackhead habit. As far as tuning goes, I think when the cars get on the used market, the owners will be more open to radical mods.

I guess I should start by figuring out which ECU I have.

[kwakr738]

Originally Posted by RBBMWE46M3

Please define break in????

The 1200 miles of under 4500rpm and 100mph that BMW recommends.

[NPDAN]

Originally Posted by kwakr738

Thanks Starr for the response, I too need to time to indulge in my crystal meth and toothless crackhead habit. As far as tuning goes, I think when the cars get on the used market, the owners will be more open to radical mods.

I guess I should start by figuring out which ECU I have.

What was the production date of your car? I believe V81 is pretty recent ie: may 08.... Im sure your fine and have V80 since you have had the car for a little while.. However, try to verify wether or not you have program 29.2 or not...

[e.n335]

Pull the ECU out and have a look at. BMW changed the hardware revision in Feb. / March 2008 ( MSD81 ).

[StarrDlux]

however any car can be retrofitted with an MSD81 if your MSD80 fails or is stolen or blows up?

[Dan335i]

My 335i coupe,6MT is a 6 or7 07 build date.Will the Dinan Rev 2 flash give me any problems i have been hearing about?Well more like complaints ,not problems.BTW it has the oil cooler (stock sprt pak).

[lauer87]

No, you have the 80, your good to go with mods.

[Presidio335xi]

got my done at Dinan in Mountain View....they waived the labor so just a tad under $2000. Stage II.

awesome.

I believe as long as you have the 6MT you are fine. The auto had a problem until they made a patch.

i seriously recommend doing it

[StarrDlux]

no they fixed the AT6. they warranty you. for 48K miles.

you guys realize that after 4/48K you are kinda riding solo on a 20K motor?

thats my only issue and why i'd never buy the car past that poiint.

4 years/48K miles or bust.

While bmw will have no issue cpo'ing a car and "unflagging it"; i doubt they will honor an extended warranty?

Quite honestly the E46 is the last bmw i'd actually own out to 100K miles; a manual one at that. these new cars are too complicated.

but yeah look up for blown up "piggyback/bov" mod thread and realize that $26K is your out of pocket if you do not rock dinan and by the book.

I think we can all agree to gain a few more hp, $26K is a risk not worth taking.


Boost turns people greedy. I've probably tanked $26K in my life on poor car choices, modded-gone-wild and a couple of boost-greedy fingers (aka boost controller) related failures.

As far as I see it there is Dinan FTW and everyone else is crazy.

[Winston Wolf]

You know about the 50,000 mile warranty thing and not having one of these cars past that point.... I have watched as I have driven the last 5k miles. Very very rarely do I drive at full throttle to the point that the boost approaches 15 psi. I would say 99% of the time I am pulling vaccum. .09% of the time the boost is less than 5 psi and .01% or less the boost is over 10 psi. The more I drive, honestly, the less I am concerned about longevity of the motor. Unless you are tracking the car constantly, you almost never see high boost situations and should have nothing to worry about for many years to come. I actually wouldn't worry about a V3 or one of the other aftermarket plug-ins blowing things either anymore.

[vase330]

My last one (E46 330ci steptronic) had 127K and lots tranny issues. I had tranny replaced twice once at 90 miles and then again at 110K miles paid 6K out of pocket for that. Shoulda sold it at 100K when I had thought of it.. At 127K miles I already had a 335i for 5 months (yeah after swearing the E46 was last BMW I was ever buying) so I just didn't care to chance any other tranny crap and sold it.

Previous car was E46 M3 5spd manual sold at 52K miles. Too many electrical problems for me to care about the M3 factor. Damn lemon it was.

Previous to that E36 328is 5spd manual. Damn nice car. Hahahaa I used to think it was faaast!!! I'd die now if I had to drive it. My Toyota RAV4 V6 would make minced meat of it. The only view it ever has a chance of seeing is the rear. The RAV is as fast as my E46 330ci was. No jk Sold with 87K miles to get the E46 M3. What a mistake! Should have kept it and skipped the M3.

87 325e 189K miles traded for the E36 328is. Let me tell you, this thing drove and felt like a total pig. It was torquey and the readline was a measly 4500rpm if memory serves me right. It was however a tank of a car. Every single thing worked except the service interval and wacky radio. Nothing ever broke on it. Oil change and tune up and good to go. I never even had to change suspension or anything like that you expect would wear out. It was a manual too. I had bunch of Toyota's before that could seriously spunk that 325e. I thought it was a total pig then and it really was.

As you can see they got worse and faster as time went by. The 335i had electronic issues for the first 5 months, but they are all resolved and just a bad memory now. I think its going to hold up pretty well honestly. The build quality feels as solid as the 325e felt. With the Dinan tune this is my best BMW so far. Its just a hoot and has that grin factor, and it never breaks a sweat doing any of it. So I say 80K and only because I don't want those twin snails past 100K with the maintainance costs that start occurring at that mileage.

[StarrDlux]

no seriously. oil light twice randomly on day one; smoke pouring out right exhaust one day one; i-drive is on crack cocaine it doesn't remember anything. matter of fact i've given up on it. i'm gonna hope the new flash works better.

i guess we all have our luck.

Quite honestly the cost per month for leasing endlessly doesn't matter. having a baby on the side of the freeway is not worth the delta cost of the ownership versus rent.

I guess i'm a sucker for german cars (bmw's and audi's) and will pay a pretty penny for having a nice new model.

Plus come on most of us chose the car because it looks hot and has great functionality. it's like a $600 pair of shoes. You don't need it, but you can afford to indulge.

I'd just worry that at 4/48K you'd have no warranty. The 50K service and various other items such as tires (safeguard FTW! and NAILS!) brakes, you name it. no thanks.

I guess i've had enough friends with modded S4's who've had the fortunately luck of dropping $10K+ on turbo's (upgrade albeit) due to A SINGLE turbo failure. Something ominous happens when you throw a new turbo on along with an old one. Not sure but that cost someone $10K as well.

maybe guys just think differently since you don't have worry about being pregnant and stuck somewhere without much help.

I'm really happy with the car stock, dinan is icing. You are right most of the time we aren't using boost otherwise we'd get 5mpg. 16.1mpg is bad enough but it sure is fun to get pressed back in the seat lol

i was thinking this:
if you paid for a 7yr(from delivery)/100K warranty and they let you remove the chip to buy that warranty; if you paid for their service intervals plus tires/brakes/incidentals how much better off would you be after 7years? I've got a migraine right now or i'd bust open a spreadsheet with oracle(tm) crystal ball and run some situations to see where the bell curve is considering alot of factors that are important to bmw owners.

If i wanted to just go fast; Z06 vette would do that but the montego/black matches the blue-recaro baby seat very well