Lifter Noise and Liqui Moly

masterh · 06-20-2018, 05:46 PM

I bought 328i and haven't done oil change yet. (gas pedal is too smooth lol)

I thought this noise was normal when inspecting the car.

Yesterday, it was louder than normal right after starting up. (1:35 on video)
I drove around and it sounds like 2:53 which is not bad at all.

Since I don't know history of oil usages, I want to see if I can make it better.

I am going to put

Liqui Moly Engine Flush (I will put some Seafoam in oil and drive around little bit too since you can't drive with this stuff in)

Castrol edge 5w30 (some people say you should use thicker oil. some people say it's just temporary fix and will make it worse. oh well)

Liqui Moly Mos2

Once I finish in few days, I will post my review.

If you have any other tip, please share!

Phyrexia · 06-20-2018, 06:35 PM

I wouldn't worry about the SeaFoam if you're going to use the LM Engine Flush.

Mos2 is highly reviewed. LM also makes a hydraulic lifter additive. https://products.liqui-moly.com/hydr...dditive-1.html

masterh · 06-20-2018, 09:00 PM

There is also more advanced one called Cera Tec.

Yeah I am getting confused. They are all for smoother engine and have great reviews.

Maybe I can put half/half?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phyrexia

I wouldn't worry about the SeaFoam if you're going to use the LM Engine Flush.

Mos2 is highly reviewed. LM also makes a hydraulic lifter additive. https://products.liqui-moly.com/hydr...dditive-1.html

masterh · 06-20-2018, 09:07 PM

But you can't drive with it or rep the engine with it.
If I put seafoam or marvel mystery oil, I can drive it and it will get into difficult areas?
I don't know how oil circulates in idle vs driving though....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phyrexia

I wouldn't worry about the SeaFoam if you're going to use the LM Engine Flush.

Mos2 is highly reviewed. LM also makes a hydraulic lifter additive. https://products.liqui-moly.com/hydr...dditive-1.html

Phyrexia · 06-21-2018, 12:22 AM

1200 miles ago I did the Engine Flush and then an oil change with the new MolyGen 5W40. I put the appropriate amount of CeraTec in there. The car runs really great, I'm happy. I've been using LiquiMoly fluids for several years now on two BMWs.

I think the CeraTec is marketed as being better than the Mos2. Don't quote me on that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by masterh

There is also more advanced one called Cera Tec.

Yeah I am getting confused. They are all for smoother engine and have great reviews.

Maybe I can put half/half?

Phyrexia · 06-21-2018, 12:23 AM

And, I guess that is a fair point? I'm not sure. Maybe do one this oil change and the other the next oil change. Mixing them gives me the possible heebie jeebies.

Quote:

Originally Posted by masterh

But you can't drive with it or rep the engine with it.
If I put seafoam or marvel mystery oil, I can drive it and it will get into difficult areas?
I don't know how oil circulates in idle vs driving though....

N54_e90 · 06-21-2018, 10:30 PM

Throw in a 300ml bottle of Liqu Moly MOS2 anti friction treatment and it should help as well.

Alexdevera · 06-23-2018, 12:17 PM

I did 7 quarts of LM 5W-40, and two whole bottles of Ceratec. Ticks only on start up for about 3 seconds tops, but after that none at all. Looking into the lifter additive myself.

nsjames · 06-23-2018, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masterh

But you can't drive with it or rep the engine with it.
If I put seafoam or marvel mystery oil, I can drive it and it will get into difficult areas?
I don't know how oil circulates in idle vs driving though....

the issue with driving with any additive is bearings.

you're thinning the oil out even more and decreasing it's film strength.
That's why the LM stuff tells you just to idle it and not drive it.

Seafoam says that you can drive with it in the crankcase, but just be aware that seafoam is a product from the era of big bearing clearances and american v8s.
If you drive with it in the crankcase I certainly wouldn't beat on it or hit the higher rpms.
It's essentially naptha.

Eagle1oh7 · 06-23-2018, 03:29 PM

I use Motul 5w-40 and I don't get any valve tick until the next oil change comes and I follow the factory interval.

GORDON.M3 · 06-23-2018, 05:07 PM

2 cans of Molyslip is even better than MOS2. I've been using it on my beater N52 and my M3 for awhile now without issues.

avocet · 06-24-2018, 01:25 AM

Fresh oil with Castrol LL ALWAYS got rid of my lifter noise, until around 1/4-1/2 life of on condition oil monitoring. I never went past half life if not 1/3 life anyways so when it would tick I would change.

Changed to a non* approved oil (won't bother mentioning what I use because I'll just get flamed) and haven't heard a noise since. 70k kms ago.

Elias_E90 · 06-24-2018, 04:05 AM

Mine went away with motul 5w40 100% synth. It is bmw ll01 (approved), i changed the oil every 5000km and drive it every day, i found out flooring it helped when the oil was a bit hot

Eagle1oh7 · 06-25-2018, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avocet

Fresh oil with Castrol LL ALWAYS got rid of my lifter noise, until around 1/4-1/2 life of on condition oil monitoring. I never went past half life if not 1/3 life anyways so when it would tick I would change.

Changed to a non* approved oil (won't bother mentioning what I use because I'll just get flamed) and haven't heard a noise since. 70k kms ago.

You're not using Shell Rotella are you?

Eagle1oh7 · 06-25-2018, 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elias_E90

Mine went away with motul 5w40 100% synth. It is bmw ll01 (approved), i changed the oil every 5000km and drive it every day, i found out flooring it helped when the oil was a bit hot

The tick tends to go away when the engine is fully warmed up on my E90.

Elias_E90 · 06-25-2018, 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagle1oh7

The tick tends to go away when the engine is fully warmed up on my E90.

Mine did it too, but daily driving helped somehow with 5w40 and more frequent oil change

Eagle1oh7 · 06-25-2018, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elias_E90

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagle1oh7

The tick tends to go away when the engine is fully warmed up on my E90.

Mine did it too, but daily driving helped somehow with 5w40 and more frequent oil change

How many miles are on your engine?

eetadik · 06-25-2018, 01:09 PM

MoS2 is more periodic for high mileage or heavily worn engines. Use Ceratech everytime though.

Think of it this way...MoS2 is more of a solid agent meant to fill in the roughness of metal, unlike a friction modifier that keeps the oil from breaking down (think Lucas oil stabilizer). Ceratech has both a friction modifier and an agent to fill in rough spots. Two fa da price a one, eh!

GORDON.M3 · 06-26-2018, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motiv7891

MoS2 is more periodic for high mileage or heavily worn engines. Use Ceratech everytime though.

Think of it this way...MoS2 is more of a solid agent meant to fill in the roughness of metal, unlike a friction modifier that keeps the oil from breaking down (think Lucas oil stabilizer). Ceratech has both a friction modifier and an agent to fill in rough spots. Two fa da price a one, eh!

I do intervals of each, I switch between Ceratec and MOS2 between each oil change. I've been doing this for all my cars, N52, N55, S65.

eetadik · 06-26-2018, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GORDON.M3

I do intervals of each, I switch between Ceratec and MOS2 between each oil change. I've been doing this for all my cars, N52, N55, S65.

Good stuff....I really need to be more disciplined about this...

Elias_E90 · 06-26-2018, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagle1oh7

How many miles are on your engine?

I have 176000 km that s more than 100k miles

Eagle1oh7 · 06-27-2018, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elias_E90

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagle1oh7

How many miles are on your engine?

I have 176000 km that s more than 100k miles

Wow!

06-20-2018, 05:46 PM	#1
masterh Second Lieutenant 63 Rep 291 Posts Drives: bmw 328i Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Los Angeles CA iTrader: (0)	Lifter Noise and Liqui Moly I bought 328i and haven't done oil change yet. (gas pedal is too smooth lol) I thought this noise was normal when inspecting the car. Yesterday, it was louder than normal right after starting up. (1:35 on video) I drove around and it sounds like 2:53 which is not bad at all. Since I don't know history of oil usages, I want to see if I can make it better. I am going to put Liqui Moly Engine Flush (I will put some Seafoam in oil and drive around little bit too since you can't drive with this stuff in) Castrol edge 5w30 (some people say you should use thicker oil. some people say it's just temporary fix and will make it worse. oh well) Liqui Moly Mos2 Once I finish in few days, I will post my review. If you have any other tip, please share!
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Phyrexia Resident Pedant 507 Rep 792 Posts Drives: '15 335i 8AT Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Limbo iTrader: (1)	I wouldn't worry about the SeaFoam if you're going to use the LM Engine Flush. Mos2 is highly reviewed. LM also makes a hydraulic lifter additive. https://products.liqui-moly.com/hydr...dditive-1.html
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N54_e90 Don 50 Rep 300 Posts Drives: '09 E90 335xi Family Sedan Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Your Mother's House iTrader: (0)	Throw in a 300ml bottle of Liqu Moly MOS2 anti friction treatment and it should help as well.
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Alexdevera Enlisted Member 2 Rep 46 Posts Drives: E92 BMW Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Eastern Bay Area iTrader: (0)	I did 7 quarts of LM 5W-40, and two whole bottles of Ceratec. Ticks only on start up for about 3 seconds tops, but after that none at all. Looking into the lifter additive myself.
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eetadik Enlisted Member 23 Rep 31 Posts Drives: Noneya Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: somewhere iTrader: (0)	MoS2 is more periodic for high mileage or heavily worn engines. Use Ceratech everytime though. Think of it this way...MoS2 is more of a solid agent meant to fill in the roughness of metal, unlike a friction modifier that keeps the oil from breaking down (think Lucas oil stabilizer). Ceratech has both a friction modifier and an agent to fill in rough spots. Two fa da price a one, eh! Last edited by eetadik; 06-25-2018 at 02:50 PM..
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