Happy Bobby Bonilla Day!

F30lolz · 07-01-2018, 12:16 PM

Today, Bobby will receive $1.19M from the New York Metropolitans. This will continue every July 1st until 2035. Not a bad nest egg to work with. How will you celebrate Bobby Bonilla Day today?

RLe92335 · 07-01-2018, 01:05 PM

By reminding every Mets fan I know.

Captain Blood · 07-01-2018, 03:53 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Bonilla?wprov=sfti1

1MOREMOD · 07-01-2018, 04:02 PM

Wtf I want a package like that

BayMoWe335 · 07-01-2018, 09:36 PM

It’s good, but it’s essentially a $6M investment (what he could have taken in 2000) paid out as an annuity with an 8% return. It will be around $30M when the last payment is made.

Had he taken the $6M in full in 2000 and invested it in the S&P 500, he’d probably actually do a little better than this deal.

ShopVac · 07-01-2018, 10:36 PM

Greatest deal ever.

And if I had a duracell, I'd chuck it at him (and I really don't know why).

TheWatchGuy · 07-02-2018, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

It’s good, but it’s essentially a $6M investment (what he could have taken in 2000) paid out as an annuity with an 8% return. It will be around $30M when the last payment is made.

Had he taken the $6M in full in 2000 and invested it in the S&P 500, he’d probably actually do a little better than this deal.

guaranteed vs speculative.

guaranteed should win out for any athlete after all these "30 for 30: Im broke AF" documentaries.

ny325 · 07-02-2018, 09:29 PM

He has the best post retirement pension ever. Only the METS...

BayMoWe335 · 07-03-2018, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy

guaranteed vs speculative.

guaranteed should win out for any athlete after all these "30 for 30: Im broke AF" documentaries.

That’s for others to decide. I’m just pointing out that while people think this is free money, but it’s just finance.

Flying Ace · 07-06-2018, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

It’s good, but it’s essentially a $6M investment (what he could have taken in 2000) paid out as an annuity with an 8% return. It will be around $30M when the last payment is made.

Had he taken the $6M in full in 2000 and invested it in the S&P 500, he’d probably actually do a little better than this deal.

bingo. Someone who gets it. This is a great deal to many people who just sees this as compensation without working. In reality, Bobby is just getting paid for work that's already been "performed", granted his last MLB years were terrible. But that's how the business works, just ask how the Angels if they're are getting their return for paying Pujols.

It's akin to you working on a contract basis for an employer. Would you want your employer to pay you your money today, as you perform the work, or for the rest of your life. Any cash flow streams over course of multiple years must take into account the opportunity cost of not having the money.

Had Bobby invested in the S&P 500 he would have gotten about a 80% return thus far, but he would have had small cash flow from investing it (~2% dividend yield) ~ $100,000 per year of dividends.

Ultimately, the math on Bobby's side is will he have come out ahead taking the cash option early and investing it (stocks, bonds, businesses, cars, hookers, coke, strippers, 6th wife) or better off getting this 8% return and indirectly getting a managed consistent cash flow? Also, bc this stuff is a contracted annuity, Bobby can find a bank to "cash him out". Basically, a bank gives him the present value of the remaining cash flows. Bobby get his cash in today's value, and that bank takes this 8% return until 2035.

I'd like to also see the analysis on how it was beneficial for the Mets to structure this payment. If this wasn't a baseball team (I don't know how teams gets their payroll funds and how it relates to luxury tax hit, revenue sharing, cash flow from media contracts), a company will have to have financed $6mm immediately (or in accordance to the payment schedule/conditions in the contract e.g. guaranteed money) through borrowings or from equity. There may have been a significant cost of allocating this $6mm at that point in time when they signed the contract. Corporate borrowing rates at that time were in the 7% range, but no one would have known that corporate borrowing rates would continue to drop down to today's 5% level...this or that the Mets are just idiots.

Flying Ace · 07-06-2018, 07:42 PM

So when I retire, I get a pension of $500 of a month. That's barely enough for 2 hookers a month.

1MOREMOD · 07-06-2018, 08:01 PM

Turn that into a business run dem hos

TheWatchGuy · 07-09-2018, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying Ace

So when I retire, I get a pension of $500 of a month. That's barely enough for 2 hookers a month.

you gotta stop buying dem highclass hoes

ShopVac · 07-10-2018, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy

you gotta stop buying dem highclass hoes

Agreed...that's 3 hookers and a hand job in my town's current rates.

brettbmw · 11-18-2018, 03:18 PM

Silly contracts and investments have killed the mets in the last 15 yrs, I'm surprised they didnt pick up ARods contract..lol

ny325 · 11-19-2018, 12:02 AM

They have David Wright for 2019/$15m, and 2020/$12m. Unbelievable.

F30lolz · 11-19-2018, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ny325

They have David Wright for 2019/$15m, and 2020/$12m. Unbelievable.

Since he just retired I think the Mets are off the hook.

Flying Ace · 11-27-2018, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by F30lolz

Since he just retired I think the Mets are off the hook.

depends on if it's guaranteed contracts and if they have similar payout clauses like Bobby's.

No Boost · 07-01-2019, 02:19 PM

Guess what day it is.

Pauldunlop13 · 07-01-2019, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying Ace

bingo. Someone who gets it.

..........
I'd like to also see the analysis on how it was beneficial for the Mets to structure this payment. If this wasn't a baseball team (I don't know how teams gets their payroll funds and how it relates to luxury tax hit, revenue sharing, cash flow from media contracts), a company will have to have financed $6mm immediately (or in accordance to the payment schedule/conditions in the contract e.g. guaranteed money) through borrowings or from equity. There may have been a significant cost of allocating this $6mm at that point in time when they signed the contract. Corporate borrowing rates at that time were in the 7% range, but no one would have known that corporate borrowing rates would continue to drop down to today's 5% level...this or that the Mets are just idiots.

There is an article that explains it. They had the $6mil in the Bernie Madoff account and since it was “doubling regularly” they didn’t want to pull it out. They thought this $30mil was going to be nothing compared to their earnings from that fund. So yes. They were idiots.

https://apple.news/ADn3f0hdFQQ6AtyGeslM4FQ

Pauldunlop13 · 07-01-2019, 02:42 PM

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Guess what day it is.

It’s Canada Day!

irishbimmer · 07-01-2019, 02:45 PM

Most can only dream of a pension such as that.

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