[RiXst3r]

BMS is shipping out more JB3 beta units to the lucky beta testers today, and more on thursday! Still on track for our public release in august!

I will be installing mine this weekend... stay tuned for more results... I am coming from a jb2h, so this should be a good comparison for those looking for a review of what the jb2 to jb3 upgrade might feel like...

These beta units are PNP as you can see, but still not in final trim (the harnes will match OEM tape better)

Also, we are very close to our 1000th BMS customer! Whoever places that order gets their entire order free... (and no, jb3 is not for sale yet...)

[ezatnova]

Cool!
Still too early for pics of the switch setup?

On a separate note, I wonder if I'm in the minority here or there are a lot of others in my line of thought. I have to admit that I never even cast a glance towards JB1 or JB2, due to their "primitive" nature (not looking for debate here, this was just MHO). I was on the V2 bandwagon until I learned of V3 with PnP, and then I was sold on waiting for that. Just about that time 29.2/V81 rears it's UGLY UGLY head and then I'm driven towards Dinan. Now, even though the relationship still exists with Dinan/BMW, I don't like where it's heading (they aren't getting any more chummy from what I see) and I never loved the idea of dropping $2k for a virtual product that you just eat the cost of. V3 Doomsday was intriguing, but seeing the torque cut really leads me to believe it's a real work-around, a crutch if you will, to make it work invisibly.

So, now JB3 is around the corner, with PnP, invisibility, a nice safe looking boost taper, no torque sacrifice, switching, and very importantly a much more sophisticated way of tuning than prior JB products (again, really MHO but probably not too debatable)...oh, and a siginificant price savings over V3. Looks like a sweet package!

I can't wait to see what Jim C is cooking up for the SharkEdit / Injector, but this community may have two very nice new options by the end of next month!

[AU335]

Originally Posted by ezatnova

Cool!
Still too early for pics of the switch setup?

On a separate note, I wonder if I'm in the minority here or there are a lot of others in my line of thought. I have to admit that I never even cast a glance towards JB1 or JB2, due to their "primitive" nature (not looking for debate here, this was just MHO). I was on the V2 bandwagon until I learned of V3 with PnP, and then I was sold on waiting for that. Just about that time 29.2/V81 rears it's UGLY UGLY head and then I'm driven towards Dinan. Now, even though the relationship still exists with Dinan/BMW, I don't like where it's heading (they aren't getting any more chummy from what I see) and I never loved the idea of dropping $2k for a virtual product that you just eat the cost of. V3 Doomsday was intriguing, but seeing the torque cut really leads me to believe it's a real work-around, a crutch if you will, to make it work invisibly. So, now JB3 is around the corner, with PnP, invisibility, no torque sacrifice, switching, and very importantly a much more sophisticated way of tuning than prior JB products (again, really MHO but probably not too debatable). Looks like a sweet package! I can't wait to see what Jim C is cooking up for the SharkEdit / Injector, but this community may have two very nice new options by the end of next month!

Good read! Thanks for that post!

Im excited about the JB3. I am not power hungry right now so my one and only concern is invisiblity and no hidden codes being thrown. If i can be gaurenteed that, i will be ordering the day the JB3 is released

[ezatnova]

Originally Posted by AU335

Good read! Thanks for that post!

Im excited about the JB3. I am not power hungry right now so my one and only concern is invisiblity and no hidden codes being thrown. If i can be gaurenteed that, i will be ordering the day the JB3 is released

Thanks!

Amen to the invisibility and reliability > max power too.

[Tag]

So is this going to be as easy to install/remove as the SSTT?

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by ezatnova

V3 Doomsday was intriguing, but seeing the torque cut really leads me to believe it's a real work-around, a crutch if you will, to make it work invisibly.

So, now JB3 is around the corner, with PnP, invisibility, a nice safe looking boost taper, no torque sacrifice, switching, and very importantly a much more sophisticated way of tuning than prior JB products (again, really MHO but probably not too debatable)...oh, and a siginificant price savings over V3. Looks like a sweet package!

does anyone have a dyno graph to show the JB3 torque advantage over V3?

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by tag824

So is this going to be as easy to install/remove as the SSTT?

OMG, learn that the way SSTT plugs in can ONLY control boost. In order to have an ACTUAL TUNE, you have to access the ECU area....

[JOe335i]

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

OMG, learn that the way SSTT plugs in can ONLY control boost. In order to have an ACTUAL TUNE, you have to access the ECU area....

actually a couple months at a dyno day, my AFR got richer with the SSTT.
and split second/eurobahn says they increase AFR aswell. you got the wrong info. there is a chip inside the SSTT that controls these things, but of course that is SSTT secret and they wont tell anyone.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by JOe335i

actually a couple months at a dyno day, my AFR got richer with the SSTT.
and split second/eurobahn says they increase AFR aswell. you got the wrong info. there is a chip inside the SSTT that controls these things, but of course that is SSTT secret and they wont tell anyone.

LOL ....

The SSTT mounts on the TMAP sensor and adds boost by putting resitance on it and making the car think it is at a higher altitude. This car is a closed loop system, so of course if the car is misfiring/knocking the air/fuel ratios will change drastically as raw fuel goes out the tailpipe. It doesn't mean your tuned right!

YOU got the wrong info because you dont understand how the SSTT works. You need to realize that sometimes you have to work in order to get the best tune, that work might include actually having to unbolt something on your car....crazy huh.

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by tag824

So is this going to be as easy to install/remove as the SSTT?

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

OMG, learn that the way SSTT plugs in can ONLY control boost. In order to have an ACTUAL TUNE, you have to access the ECU area....

Originally Posted by JOe335i

actually a couple months at a dyno day, my AFR got richer with the SSTT.
and split second/eurobahn says they increase AFR aswell. you got the wrong info. there is a chip inside the SSTT that controls these things, but of course that is SSTT secret and they wont tell anyone.

The jb3 has OEM connectors that mate up pefectly with the harness to plug and play into the ECU area.

Since we modify and read a large number of sensors (map, baro, tps, iat, solenoids, fuel pressure, o2 sensors, etc, etc.) we must place our unit in the ECU area, like other piggyback systems that control more than just boost.

[Digital.James]

Originally Posted by JOe335i

actually a couple months at a dyno day, my AFR got richer with the SSTT.
and split second/eurobahn says they increase AFR aswell. you got the wrong info. there is a chip inside the SSTT that controls these things, but of course that is SSTT secret and they wont tell anyone.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by JOe335i

actually a couple months at a dyno day, my AFR got richer with the SSTT.
and split second/eurobahn says they increase AFR aswell. you got the wrong info. there is a chip inside the SSTT that controls these things, but of course that is SSTT secret and they wont tell anyone.

Yes, there is a chip inside the SSTT but I have no idea what it does...

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11419

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by tag824

Yes, there is a chip inside the SSTT but I have no idea what it does...

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

adds boost by putting resitance on it and making the car think it is at a higher altitude. .

^, that is what that "chip" does.

[jpsimon]

LOL at the guy talking about SSTT

[mmmotornutz]

Primitive may not be the right word, but more like simple. And most of the time, simple is more reliable. If one can achieve the same goal with regular analog circuitry vs. microprocessors, why not? Unfortunately w/o microprocessors, one can't datalog. At the end of the day, Vishnu and JB products are just piggy backs. It doesn't matter which route you go with, analog or digital, as long as it is able fool the ecu in adding fuel or boost and doing it reliably. Microprocessors are nothing but just a million relays in a form of miniature transistors. JB1 and JB2 might not look as cool as V1.47 and V2 but they all achieve the same goal.

Originally Posted by ezatnova

Cool!
Still too early for pics of the switch setup?

On a separate note, I wonder if I'm in the minority here or there are a lot of others in my line of thought. I have to admit that I never even cast a glance towards JB1 or JB2, due to their "primitive" nature (not looking for debate here, this was just MHO). I was on the V2 bandwagon until I learned of V3 with PnP, and then I was sold on waiting for that. Just about that time 29.2/V81 rears it's UGLY UGLY head and then I'm driven towards Dinan. Now, even though the relationship still exists with Dinan/BMW, I don't like where it's heading (they aren't getting any more chummy from what I see) and I never loved the idea of dropping $2k for a virtual product that you just eat the cost of. V3 Doomsday was intriguing, but seeing the torque cut really leads me to believe it's a real work-around, a crutch if you will, to make it work invisibly.

[mmmotornutz]

Originally Posted by JOe335i

actually a couple months at a dyno day, my AFR got richer with the SSTT.
and split second/eurobahn says they increase AFR aswell. you got the wrong info. there is a chip inside the SSTT that controls these things, but of course that is SSTT secret and they wont tell anyone.

LOL, of course they won't because if they did, a lot of customers will be mad that they spent almost $600 dollars for something that could've been made with a few 5 cent resistor.

[RiXst3r]

OK guys... no more SSTT talk.. make a new thread

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

OK guys... no more SSTT talk.. make a new thread

Sorry Dad....

[WCM3]

How did these guys become beta testers? I think you need a tester in Pennsylvania just because of how the weather/altitude is.

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by WCM3

How did these guys become beta testers? I think you need a tester in Pennsylvania just because of how the weather/altitude is.

They either are close contacts with Terry, have extra tools/test gear for scanning extra parameters, have a specific set of mods or conditions that terry wanted to test... everyone was picked over a month ago... no more seats left

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by WCM3

How did these guys become beta testers? I think you need a tester in Pennsylvania just because of how the weather/altitude is.

+1 And one in Indiana.

[ezatnova]

Originally Posted by Sniz

does anyone have a dyno graph to show the JB3 torque advantage over V3?

Since JB3 hasn't been released, then no, no one has been able to do back to back "dyno day" with the two tunes. I was simply stating that the approximate peak torque figures provided by the manufacturers of their respective products show a substantial gap between them. Doomsday is the first I've seen to have a lower torque peak than HP. JB3 appears that it flips it's ass (Curb reference there for you Larry fans) back to where it should be on a turbo car...torque on top.