[daixloxbmw]

is it just me? am i the only one who feels like this latest generation of BMW 3-series (e9X) drivers have gotten overly cocky with the power and speed potential of their cars (mostly referring to the 335 of course)?

i came from 2 e46 cars, a '00 323i and a '01 330i. i was also an active lurker in a number of enthusiast forums for the e46. i recall seeing a bunch of "kill stories" and "3 series vs..." threads in those forums too but they dont come close to the level of arrogance that i have been seeing in this forum. back then, the top engine in the non-M 3 series was a 2.8 or 3.0 liter I6 which made 190-225 hp. it was sufficient and peppy enough to barely keep pace with its competition (A4, C-class, G35, IS300, TL) and powerful "lesser" cars.

most of those threads would result in one of the following conclusions

it is not a drag racing car

buy a mustang if you like to drive fast in a straight line

it might lose in a straight line race but should win in the twisties

basically, it sounded like alot of excuses. 3'er owners would get all defensive about how it would lose to "lowly" cars like mustangs, TLs, G35, etc. everyone preached about how 3'ers are not designed to be drag racers and you bought one for the combination of handling, road feel, semi-luxury and prestige.

this doesnt seem like the case anymore. many of the threads in the turbo section make the 335 sound like a drag racing champ and it will destroy cars that are higher up on the food chain. lots of talk about how it goes 0-60 mph and 1/4 mile in xxx seconds.

to me, it is like a 180 degree change in perpective in BMW's entry-level model (until the 1-er anyway...)

dont get me wrong, i love the huge improvements in power and speed in the top of the line non-M 3-er. some of the cockiness can be justified because it is a very fast car and with minimal modding, can be even faster... but i just think some of the members in this forum are overly cocky. i think these members may be new BMW owners and have not owned a conservatively powered previous generation 3'er. may i go as far as saying many of these members may be previous owners of STi's and EVO's?

okay... end rant.

[jpsimon]

I'm coming from a WRX and certainly not cocky about the power of these cars... that being said I definitely wouldn't buy an e92 m3 over a 335. But that might be more of an AWD bias...

[satakal]

The attitude is kinda earned. Beating Lightnings and blown cobras, on their home turf means you get to brag about it on monday morning.

your observation is probably right.
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[lawdude]

Yep, we all have holes in our pockets.

[McLuVan]

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I haven't seen that many threads

[mistermojorizin]

i just think that people tend to overvalue 0-60 and quarter mile times posted by professionels on the stock car. these bmw's seem like they are very good at launching, but 270 whp in a 3600 pound car isn't really a lot to brag about. of course with a tune, it becomes something to be cocky about. I just think its a sign of the 'steptronic' generation of car enthusiasts.

[e90AW335i]

335i FTMFW

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by Down41t

I pretty much have a 400whp and 430wtq new body 3 series coupe... I think i have the right to be a bit cocky...

I sent you a pm on the "other" site.

[daixloxbmw]

im not saying some of that cockiness isnt earned or deserved.

just seems to me like a complete about-face in attitude. all those guys who preached about the 3'er being a well-balanced athlete rather than a one-trick pony... were they all wrong? granted we are talking about completely different cars but did BMW intentionally decide to put more emphasis on the power rather than the balance of everything else?

just an observation... didnt want to offend anyone.

but i was just curious if this excess cockiness had anything to do with new BMW owners that came from other "tuner" cars like STi's, EVO's, mustangs, GTI's, etc.

[jpsimon]

Originally Posted by Down41t

I pretty much have a 400whp and 430wtq new body 3 series coupe... I think i have the right to be a bit cocky...

hey i've been wondering.. what were your baseline numbers on the same dyno that tells you 400whp/430wtq?

[TiAg335i]

Originally Posted by daixloxbmw

is it just me? am i the only one who feels like this latest generation of BMW 3-series (e9X) drivers have gotten overly cocky with the power and speed potential of their cars (mostly referring to the 335 of course)?

i came from 2 e46 cars, a '00 323i and a '01 330i. i was also an active lurker in a number of enthusiast forums for the e46. i recall seeing a bunch of "kill stories" and "3 series vs..." threads in those forums too but they dont come close to the level of arrogance that i have been seeing in this forum. back then, the top engine in the non-M 3 series was a 2.8 or 3.0 liter I6 which made 190-225 hp. it was sufficient and peppy enough to barely keep pace with its competition (A4, C-class, G35, IS300, TL) and powerful "lesser" cars.

most of those threads would result in one of the following conclusions

it is not a drag racing car

buy a mustang if you like to drive fast in a straight line

it might lose in a straight line race but should win in the twisties

basically, it sounded like alot of excuses. 3'er owners would get all defensive about how it would lose to "lowly" cars like mustangs, TLs, G35, etc. everyone preached about how 3'ers are not designed to be drag racers and you bought one for the combination of handling, road feel, semi-luxury and prestige.

this doesnt seem like the case anymore. many of the threads in the turbo section make the 335 sound like a drag racing champ and it will destroy cars that are higher up on the food chain. lots of talk about how it goes 0-60 mph and 1/4 mile in xxx seconds.

to me, it is like a 180 degree change in perpective in BMW's entry-level model (until the 1-er anyway...)

dont get me wrong, i love the huge improvements in power and speed in the top of the line non-M 3-er. some of the cockiness can be justified because it is a very fast car and with minimal modding, can be even faster... but i just think some of the members in this forum are overly cocky. i think these members may be new BMW owners and have not owned a conservatively powered previous generation 3'er. may i go as far as saying many of these members may be previous owners of STi's and EVO's?

okay... end rant.

That gave me a good laugh.

[jpsimon]

You make it sound like BMW drivers of the past were the most respectable, greatest, non-cock/cocky people in the world... that right there makes me do this: and this:

Originally Posted by daixloxbmw

im not saying some of that cockiness isnt earned or deserved.

just seems to me like a complete about-face in attitude. all those guys who preached about the 3'er being a well-balanced athlete rather than a one-trick pony... were they all wrong? granted we are talking about completely different cars but did BMW intentionally decide to put more emphasis on the power rather than the balance of everything else?

just an observation... didnt want to offend anyone.

but i was just curious if this excess cockiness had anything to do with new BMW owners that came from other "tuner" cars like STi's, EVO's, mustangs, GTI's, etc.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by daixloxbmw

just seems to me like a complete about-face in attitude. all those guys who preached about the 3'er being a well-balanced athlete rather than a one-trick pony... were they all wrong?

No, it is more of an all around car now. It can do the road course stuff and drag race as well....

[cn555ic]

Stock 335 is nothing to brag about even thought its fast as hell, but a tuned one is something else and places the 335i in a different level and most of these owners in forums are forum junkies which inherently makes them also mod junkies....Mod junkies love to hook up their cars and tune them...If the OP is sick of hearing people brag about their cars, maybe you should not log onto the forums!!

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

Stock 335 is nothing to brag about even thought its fast as hell, but a tuned one is something else and places the 335i in a different level and most of these owners in forums are forum junkies which inherently makes them also mod junkies....Mod junkies love to hook up their cars and tune them...If the OP is sick of hearing people brag about their cars, maybe you should not log onto the forums!!

[satakal]

the only dick measuring that you can really do with your car is 1/4 mile. Given enough launches, you can pretty much factor out the driver skill. (unlike a roadcourse) When you beat something you shouldn't, you get cocky. I don't think it has anything to do with what the cocky bastard used to drive.
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[mistermojorizin]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

Stock 335 is nothing to brag about even thought its fast as hell, but a tuned one is something else and places the 335i in a different level and most of these owners in forums are forum junkies which inherently makes them also mod junkies....Mod junkies love to hook up their cars and tune them...If the OP is sick of hearing people brag about their cars, maybe you should not log onto the forums!!

i think this is what the OP is talking about. the stock 335 isn't fast as hell. its 270ish whp in a 3600lb car, that happens to launch well. C6 corvettes are fast as hell - 400ish whp in a 3200lb car. see the difference?

[sflgator]

Maybe it's b/c the BMW 3-series has never really been that fast? Just saying, b/c up until now (the tt 335i with the N54 engine), the BMW 3-series was always just known to be a good handling car, but speed (0-60mph and 1/4 mi.) was never all that competitive in the group of entry level lux coupes and sedans; e.g. the Infiniti G35 was faster than the BMW 330i, 328i, and 325i but the 3-series usually won in comparos b/c the Bimmer handled better and just felt better on the road (it was a better overall "package"). I always thought of the older 3-series as an overpriced car with a more prestigious badge that lacked performance. I may be way off here, so please don't get offended, but that was my impression of the older 3-series.

Now, with the tt N54 engine, the 3-series is the one to beat again! Add the tuning possibilities of the 3-series' N54 engine and the bar has now been raised much, much higher!

[Dubbedoutbimmer]

My 335xi coupe came with a super hero in the trunk lol


oh and my shit dont stink lol

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Maybe it's b/c the BMW 3-series has never really been that fast? Just saying, b/c up until now (the tt 335i with the N54 engine), the BMW 3-series was always just known to be a good handling car, but speed (0-60mph and 1/4 mi.) was never all that competitive in the group of entry level lux coupes and sedans; e.g. the Infiniti G35 was faster than the BMW 330i, 328i, and 325i but the 3-series usually won in comparos b/c the Bimmer handled better and just felt better on the road (it was a better overall "package"). I always thought of the older 3-series as an overpriced car with a more prestigious badge that lacked performance. I may be way off here, so please don't get offended, but that was my impression of the older 3-series.

Now, with the tt N54 engine, the 3-series is the one to beat again! : Now, add the tuning possibilities of the 3-series and the bar has now been raised much, much higher!

And the cockiest one of them all chimes in.....

(Just messin with you)

[daixloxbmw]

i never said BMW owers have been the most respectable people in the world before the 335. nor am i saying that i am sick of reading these types of threads...


i was merely stating my observation as far as the shift in attitude. in fact, i never even said this cockiness is unearned, undeserved, or even negative in anyway.

seems like some of you were immediately offended by my comments even though i never said anything negative about being cocky.

i know this is an ethusiast forum and i know most enthusiasts will mod their cars. i have modded my car, with information i collected from this forum, so i am an enthusiast as well.

i just think that the tuner-friendly nature of the 335 has brought BMW a new audience... which inherently changes the overall attitude of the forums that these members join. again... not saying anything negative about this... just an observation...

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

And the cockiest one of them all chimes in.....

(Just messin with you)

Cocky, cocky...I'll show you COCKY!!! j/k