[M4TW]

Nothing on the road today matches a tuned 335i/335xi for a sleeper smack-down sedan in my opinion. It can keep pace with an M3 (hardly a sleeper) and pretty much any other sedan on the road - except those costing heaps of cash more. Not to mention, it comes with an AWD version .

But what are we going to do about the new Cadillac CTS-V? Out in October, according to C&D, it's bringing it with a 6.2 LSA supercharged V8 that can put down 556 hp and 551 tq While weighing in at 4200-4300 pounds, it has a projected out of the box 0-60 of 3.9 and a 1/4-mile @ 12.0 . I think it's safe to say that puts it out of reach from any reasonable 335 tuning measures.

Thinking of going with the BMW handling counterpunch? Forget it. The Caddy is the first production 4-door with street tires to crack 8 minutes at Nurbergring. Priced at $60,000 US base, hopefully its pricetag will be enough to keep too many from pulling up beside you at a street light or highway.

Oh yeah, it gets crappy gas mileage. So I guess we got that. And BMW 'image'.

[rooster3.0]

That's a very complete car. It even has launch control for the manual trans. It won't be long before new pulleys and software are available for it either. However, with a base price of almost 20k more that our cars, It what you'd expect. It's got really nice seats too.

[AJayE92]

Originally Posted by rooster3.0

That's a very complete car. It even has launch control for the manual trans. It won't be long before new pulleys and software are available for it either. However, with a base price of almost 20k more that our cars, It what you'd expect. It's got really nice seats too.

+1

[ArmyBimmerDude]

I didn't know the 335 was the reigning champ of anything. Its a really fast 3 series, thats all. If you're talking about looks, the CTS-V isn't a sleeper either. It has looks that'll kill. Nowhere near as dull as an E90, therefore no worries. The E90 is still very much a sleeper.

I look forward to the next thread where we compare the 335 to a Veyron. Which is faster? It's a close call.

[sflgator]

It's one thing to compare a tuned 335i to some V8 "Muscle" Cars and other V8 sports coupes/sedans out there, but it's another thing entirely to compare a tuned 335i to one with a 6.2L Supercharged V8 (which is a detuned version of the same engine found in the new 'Vette ZR-1). Seriously, it's apples to oranges here. That thing will be a beast for sure, but it's also very expensive (especially for a Caddy) and it will get ~ 11mpg city / ~ 17mpg hwy; I bet not that many will be sold in today's economy, imho.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

I didn't know the 335 was the reigning champ of anything. Its a really fast 3 series, thats all. If you're talking about looks, the CTS-V isn't a sleeper either. It has looks that'll kill. Nowhere near as dull as an E90, therefore no worries. The E90 is still very much a sleeper.

I look forward to the next thread where we compare the 335 to a Veyron. Which is faster? It's a close call.

[M4TW]

Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

I didn't know the 335 was the reigning champ of anything. Its a really fast 3 series, thats all. If you're talking about looks, the CTS-V isn't a sleeper either. It has looks that'll kill. Nowhere near as dull as an E90, therefore no worries. The E90 is still very much a sleeper.

I look forward to the next thread where we compare the 335 to a Veyron. Which is faster? It's a close call.

The Veyron isn't a sedan - pay attention, soldier. What sedan bests a tuned e90 335 and isn't priced out of the ballpark????

20 pushups for you.

[Black Chili]

You're comparing different classes of cars and while by 2005 standards it's a terror on wheels, but 2009 standards are a different target.

The good news is competition. Better a 12 second $60k Caddy than a 12 second Neon, Evo or STi. Cadillac will up the whole performance market (Jeez, I can't believe I just typed that) and yes, they are a competitor to BMW, Audi, Lexus, Infinity and other premium brands while Mitsubishi, Subaru and Dodge typically are not.

An Evo that runs 12 flat off the showroom floor would never capture as much attention.

Besides, if you're serious stoplight competitor you bought the wrong car. In 2003/2004, a 12.8 second car was very competitive; a 12 flat car would kill almost anything it would ever likely end up next to. In 2009 you better be a kiss away from high 10's and 125mph. And keep in mind the speed to power ratio is not linear; it takes much more power to go from 12.5 to 12.0 seconds than it does from 14.0 to 13.5.

[Papa13]

Just drop a Supercharged M5 V10 in your e90 that pushes over 700hp then we will see who is a sleeper =)

Props to hurricane for making that possible.

[uberschnell]

First, at 60K base you should be comparing it to the e90 M3 sedan, not the 335. Second, there are tons of cars out there that smoke the stock 335 already. Third, American manufacturers incorporate planned obsolescence into their designs. Compare a 90's BMW to a 90's Caddy. Which looks better today?

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by Sparkplug

The Veyron isn't a sedan - pay attention, soldier. What sedan bests a tuned e90 335 and isn't priced out of the ballpark????

20 pushups for you.

Yes everyone here knows a Veyron is not a sedan. You must have missed the point. Why are you comparing a CTS-V, which is not a sleeper and was created to compete with a M5? Did you just wake up and feel like creating this ridiculous thread?

20 pushups? Gosh thats a lot.

[M4TW]

Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

Yes everyone here knows a Veyron is not a sedan. You must have missed the point. Why are you comparing a CTS-V, which is not a sleeper and was created to compete with a M5? Did you just wake up and feel like creating this ridiculous thread?

20 pushups? Gosh thats a lot.

It has more of an M3ish price, and not hugely more than a loaded for bear tuned 335. Also, the Caddy is going to surprise a lot of unsuspecting fools, ergo the sleeper label. Caddy's usual MO is as a luxury cruiser, not an über sports sedan.

20 pushups is for a minor infraction.

As you were.

[vegasspeed]

CTS does not compete with any 5 series. A CTS-V is competing with the M3 basically. It is the new performance versions of the Caddy. The STS is a comparable car to the 5 series NOT the CTS. Plus, I have driven a CTS and I am far from impressed with it.

[hotrod2448]

I like how people back pedal when their car will loose a match up (even if it's supposed to). Since I've been on here I've seen 335's vs E55, CLS55, E60 M5, various Porsche's, etc... all car costing way more money and having considerably more hp stock. Everyone rallies around how great the 335 is even if it looses usually sighting how it's amazing the car can even make it close with cars of that caliber.

Then there are the Evo, STi, GTO, SRT-4 races were if for some reason the 335 looses you get the "it's not a BMW" and "it's rice" comments to defend it.

Now all of the sudden for some reason the CTS-V domparo isn't applicable.

[roozie2001]

your also talking about a SLEEPER. there is NOTHING sleeper about that 09 CTS-V. Is the lowered springs with honey comb grill, huge hood scoop or massive dual exhaust that rumbles a Vette motor sleeper? Not so much. That car is loud and in your face. A tuned 335i is, holy shit. did that car just blow away my hemi charger? but i have 340hp. while the guy in the charger wouldnt even race the CTS-V

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by Sparkplug

It has more of an M3ish price, and not hugely more than a loaded for bear tuned 335. Also, the Caddy is going to surprise a lot of unsuspecting fools, ergo the sleeper label. Caddy's usual MO is as a luxury cruiser, not an über sports sedan.

20 pushups is for a minor infraction.

As you were.

You're hilarious. I'm sure 20 pushups would send you to the hospital. Read below, since apparently you fail to comprehend just how idiotic this comparison is.

Originally Posted by roozie2001

your also talking about a SLEEPER. there is NOTHING sleeper about that 09 CTS-V. Is the lowered springs with honey comb grill, huge hood scoop or massive dual exhaust that rumbles a Vette motor sleeper? Not so much. That car is loud and in your face. A tuned 335i is, holy shit. did that car just blow away my hemi charger? but i have 340hp. while the guy in the charger wouldnt even race the CTS-V

Thank you

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by vegasspeed

CTS does not compete with any 5 series. A CTS-V is competing with the M3 basically. It is the new performance versions of the Caddy. The STS is a comparable car to the 5 series NOT the CTS. Plus, I have driven a CTS and I am far from impressed with it.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/au...illacctsv06500

The only competitive thing between the CTS-V and M3 is price. It was created to go at the M5, E63, etc. Read.

[TiAg335i]

HOT

[M4TW]

Originally Posted by roozie2001

your also talking about a SLEEPER. there is NOTHING sleeper about that 09 CTS-V. Is the lowered springs with honey comb grill, huge hood scoop or massive dual exhaust that rumbles a Vette motor sleeper? Not so much. That car is loud and in your face. A tuned 335i is, holy shit. did that car just blow away my hemi charger? but i have 340hp. while the guy in the charger wouldnt even race the CTS-V

It does look lowered I'll give you that, and has nice rims that look aftermarket. The front end doesn't look that different to different to me from the standard Caddy fare. As for a massive hood scoop : all I'm seeing is a tasteful hood bulge much like the M3. I wouldn't call the styling over-the-top by any stretch. Sleeper.

Lots of 335ers have over $10,000 into their rides, for an est. $10,000 more you can get 556 hp and 551 tq out of the box in a nicely optioned ride. Thus the comparison.

Terrible gas mileage though. I'm with sflagator, I can't see them selling many. I also happen to think that it's 1970 all over again with how much hp they are shoeing into cars these days. I can't see it lasting. That's why this particular Caddy might soon become a collector's car given that it may represent a hp high water mark before the wave crashes, just like it did in '72.

But that's another thread.

Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

You're hilarious. I'm sure 20 pushups would send you to the hospital. Read below, since apparently you fail to comprehend just how idiotic this comparison is.

Hopefully, you're better at firing guns than debating or we're in a lot of trouble.

[BmwFanFL]

Wow. Did everyone miss that in 2007/2008 300hp isn't really the top end of power? Our minivan has 240hp (doesn't do as well in the twisties though). Virtually every decent sedan is over 200 hp now.

People with supercharged vettes in the 600+hp range, Bentley "sleepers," and many other cars, some cheaper, some more expensive, will blow the doors off a 335i, modified or not.

If you want to be a stoplight king, an evo, supra, or vette would be better (and many others). If you race in the twisties or on a track, an M series or a serious sports car is probably better.

The 335i / N54 is fast for a small displacement, decent mileage, luxury-ish good-handling sport vehicle. It's a great engine and technology, but not the top of the performance heap.

I'm glad we have all these tuning options and the car has a broader performance range and appeal than stock, but I see comparisons of modded 335s versus stock vehicles. The vehicles the 335i reaches with mods can be modded themselves. When comparing apples to apples (modded to modded), they'll likely hold their advantage.

I enjoy the 335, don't stoplight race, and think its faster than I had in decades past. It's middle of the pack, maybe a little better, in today's world.

All JMO, I love the car, but don't believe its a sleeper super car.

P.s. I live in S. Florida where fast cars are everywhere. I can't drive 10 minutes without seeing a car that would obviously surpass the 335i -- that keeps my perspective on the 335i real.

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by Sparkplug

Hopefully, you're better at firing guns than debating or we're in a lot of trouble.

I'm not debating with you. Most of the people who have posted in this thread agree that there is no comparison, yet you continue. The best you can do is post little immature comments like "do 20 push ups" and "hope you're better at firing guns". All you've proven is you're an idiot and it's time to get off the computer, go for a walk, work off that beer belly, and find yourself a nice, LEGAL, girl to date. I'm done with you.

Please continue. This really is an epic thread you've created.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by BmwFanny

Wow. Did everyone miss that in 2007/2008 300hp isn't really the top end of power? Our minivan has 240hp (doesn't do as well in the twisties though). Virtually every decent sedan is over 200 hp now.

People with supercharged vettes in the 600+hp range, Bentley "sleepers," and many other cars, some cheaper, some more expensive, will blow the doors off a 335i, modified or not.

If you want to be a stoplight king, an evo, supra, or vette would be better (and many others). If you race in the twisties or on a track, an M series or a serious sports car is probably better.

The 335i / N54 is fast for a small displacement, decent mileage, luxury-ish good-handling sport vehicle. It's a great engine and technology, but not the top of the performance heap.

I'm glad we have all these tuning options and the car has a broader performance range and appeal than stock, but I see comparisons of modded 335s versus stock vehicles. The vehicles the 335i reaches with mods can be modded themselves. When comparing apples to apples (modded to modded), they'll likely hold their advantage.

I enjoy the 335, don't stoplight race, and think its faster than I had in decades past. It's middle of the pack, maybe a little better, in today's world.

All JMO, I love the car, but don't believe its a sleeper super car.

P.s. I live in S. Florida where fast cars are everywhere. I can't drive 10 minutes without seeing a car that would obviously surpass the 335i -- that keeps my perspective on the 335i real.

Your stock 335i is faster than most cars on the road (even in S. FL ) running 0-60mph in 4.8 sec. and the 1/4mi. in 13.4 sec. @ 105mph, and it's faster than all of it's competitors in the same car class (e.g. the Infiniti G35/37, Lexus IS350, Audi A4, MB C350, Acura TL, etc.).

Now, when you tune your 335i and have ~ 410+BHP and ~ 430+ lb.-ft. TQ, you would be faster than ~ 95% of the cars on the road, including many high-end, expensive sports cars and even some supercar or ultra high-end sportcars (yes, if they're stock...but still not bad nonetheless ) including many Porsches, MBs, BMW M3, Audi S4/S5, Lexus IS-F, etc. Most will argue that's pretty darn good...a real "sleeper" if you will.