[Vudoo4u2]

Any thoughts?

If I were to add either tune...would the extra boost of the JB3 become detrimental to my car at the 40k mile mark or so...

My question mainly stems from the fact that while the SSTT is very wonderful and simple, gives good modest gains, no issues of any sort...is the extra power/tuneable features of the JB3 something that will make it as safe as the SSTT in the longrun

I understand that while a lot of people on here have had the tunes for a few miles are happy and no problems...but what about after 40k miles...what then?

I want more power, but am not willing to break the car at the end of my owenership to get it

[JOe335i]

i dont think anyone can give you a answer of what will and will not break the car as long as longetivity goes. but for only 40k miles, you will PROBABLY be safe with a jb3, someone who gonna keep there car over that, i would go with SSTT. i bought my car so i wanna keep it over 40k so i went with a low boost simple tune.

[ChaneRZ]

sstt!

[Sparkling G]

I think I will go with JB3

[SLV335I]

+1 SSTT. I would not want to ever open my ECU box and worry about taking it off everytime I go into the dealer. I take my SSTT off also but at least im not messing with the ECU box and wires.

[BES335xi]

jb3 with a low boost map... jb3 i think controls much more and better then a sstt does.

[Nyulak]

I have a V3, but I would assume JB3 is the same for this discussion. I have had my PROcede on my car since the 18k mark, and I now have 61.5k miles on the car. I would have to say that barring abusive clutch drops (or neutral/power braking with an auto) that the car should hold up well.

[BmwFanFL]

I'd recommend JB3 (or similar) with a moderate boost map. SSTT is probably safe, but it scares me to tune an engine by distorting just a couple of temperature and pressure inputs.

If you choose SSTT -- I'd recommend always use at least 93 octane to add some safety against knock. I wouldn't worry about SSTT much, but would give the safety to a full spectrum tune with moderate boost maps.

[Makushr1]

From my readings, I would say SSTT. Seems to be the safest out of all tunes. I plan on getting one in the near future (or hopefully this SSTT2, but who knows when that will come out).

[Lane]

JB3. Tunes with more boost than JB3 have done way beyond 40k without any sign of wear or longevity problem. JB3 provides power when it is safe by reacting to intake temps. SSTT is too simple to be able to consider safety aspects.

[cn555ic]

It really doesn't matter what tune you go with....if you WOT all the time from stop to go at everylight, chances even stock you will have major problems....If you install a tune, if you drive normal, most of the time you won't even see boost psi beyond 3psi

[Nyulak]

I agree with cn555ic. You should also consider the ancillaries to more power besides engine life - like tire and brake life - so you will need money to replace those more often if you get happy with the go pedal.

[Vudoo4u2]

I appreciate the responses


I wont have the car past 45k miles...so any brake wear etc wont really be an issue since i have my brake service interval that should take care of most issues...if not I can always change out my pads

As far as tires...well...I'm used to torching those, but I wont be going to a track anytime, so I imagine my car never really sees super heavy duty abuse. My oil temps have never gone north of the middle mark (250?) even when im "going hard"

[335e92tx]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

It really doesn't matter what tune you go with....if you WOT all the time from stop to go at everylight, chances even stock you will have major problems....If you install a tune, if you drive normal, most of the time you won't even see boost psi beyond 3psi

You could grenade a stock motor if you hammer on it all the time. You could also quite possibly make a Race map motor live (maybe not the trans), for 50K miles if you only hammer on it occasionally (not lto be driven like that but).

[Jeff335i]

Originally Posted by Lane

SSTT is too simple to be able to consider safety aspects.

You clearly have zero understanding about this.

Please stop spreading ignorance.

Do some research - SSTT is the safest tune on the market.

[RMA]

I am running the SSTT on my car for almost 2 months & am loving it. Next will be the swoopscoops & AFE. Then for the most part I think I will be done unless I have the itch to go to a JB3 of course

[Lane]

Originally Posted by Jeff335i

You clearly have zero understanding about this.

Please stop spreading ignorance.

Do some research - SSTT is the safest tune on the market.

Jeff, don't be shy. Show off your superiority when it comes to your knowledge based on your thorough analysis regarding the safety features and systems of SSTT. This is the perfect thread for that since this is about the long term safety of SSTT.

I have no doubt that SSTT wouldn't be safe. I am just curious about where have you found the absolute truth of SSTT being safer than all the other tunes.

[BMW_TT]

JB3 since it uses more sensors.

[JOe335i]

like i mentioned SSTT for over 40k and if you own your car and want to have to for a long time. i do agree with CN55ic aswell, always a issue to bring up esp with bmw driver

the SSTT does adjust the AFR slightly, and runs around 11-12 psi.. when i had the JB2 the SSTT acutally had fatter midange AFR then the JB2, and about the same everywhere else, so where people are getting these dumb ideas and rumors are beyond me. the factory ECU has enough power to adjust what it needs to with a lil help from the SSTT.

[Lane]

Originally Posted by JOe335i

like i mentioned SSTT for over 40k and if you own your car and want to have to for a long time. i do agree with CN55ic aswell, always a issue to bring up esp with bmw driver

the SSTT does adjust the AFR slightly, and runs around 11-12 psi.. when i had the JB2 the SSTT acutally had fatter midange AFR then the JB2, and about the same everywhere else, so where people are getting these dumb ideas and rumors are beyond me. the factory ECU has enough power to adjust what it needs to with a lil help from the SSTT.

JB2 and SSTT are very similar, but OP is not interested in this comparison, but JB3 vs SSTT. Both of them are safe. Power is where they differ.

[JOe335i]

cant compare the JB3 and the SSTT anywhere, your def correct, since the JB3 runs more psi, need more AF for that PSI and other parameters to reach that target, the SSTT uses the ECU to control most of the parameters to reach tis targets with its low boost, JB2 was just a example for the mislead or misinformed bunch.

[Jeff335i]

Originally Posted by Lane

Jeff, don't be shy. Show off your superiority when it comes to your knowledge based on your thorough analysis regarding the safety features and systems of SSTT. This is the perfect thread for that since this is about the long term safety of SSTT.

I have no doubt that SSTT wouldn't be safe. I am just curious about where have you found the absolute truth of SSTT being safer than all the other tunes.

Well, ya know there are about 5000 posts on this forum about how the SSTT does what it does and why it is safe. Not sure where you get your absolute information that SSTT is "too simple to be able to consider safety apects".

I have the SSTT on my car and I agonized over these very issues while I did the research that led me to my decision. At the time the SSTT was the only tune that was not detectable by FASTA data or other anti-piggyback means implemented by BMW. Still may be the case, however after I got mine I never looked back to see what other tuners were doing so maybe someone else can make this claim now, too. My reasoning is that since the SSTT doesn't exceed any factory-set adaptation values, it has to be perfectly safe. After all, those values are established by BMW, not the tuner. THe SSTT doesn't have to consider safety aspects - the stock ECU is more than capable of doing so given the relatively modest sensor manipulation the SSTT is capable of.

Plus the easy one-plug installation means you don't have to go poking around in your ECU housing, that also adds a margin of safety of a different kind.