[Tyga11]

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

Is anyone considering getting one? Looks to be a pretty tremendous value but I would think you can't DD this...thoughts?

[mikeokimster]

Originally Posted by Tyga11

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

Is anyone considering getting one? Looks to be a pretty tremendous value but I would think you can't DD this...thoughts?

It’s a compelling car for its product offerings. Depending on use, the gearing at least until the pdk comes out poses to be the main talking point with ratios being so high.

[Tyga11]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

I have one coming, and it should be here in about a month. I am pumped for it.

I think this car may possibly be the last of an era, and the combo is proving to be pretty epic. It runs a 7:28 at the Ring with only 415 hp and a manual gearbox. I think with PDK it will be a 7:20 car which is insane. I love PDK - even went with it in my Carrera T, but Porsche’s 6 speed manual is still better than their 7 speed (as good as it is) and I am excited to be back on a manual car. The car will be primarily street driven, and want to have manual in a car like this.

Can you share your build sheet? Would love to see it!

[heavyD^2]

Don't get me wrong I think this is a fantastic car but C&D's love affair with Porsche is getting to be a little too much IMO. I think it's the first time I've ever seen them not list a low for a vehicle despite admitting the following;

The GT4 is not the Cayman for everyone. Depending on road conditions where you live, its ride may be too harsh as a daily driver. The GT4 is not happy merely puttering about. On the highway, the Michelins thrum and reverberate over impacts, the exhaust drones, and the engine whirs behind your head. The steering requires constant attention, and even small ruts and bumps jostle occupants. Under part throttle, there's a little vibration through the structure from the engine. The whole car is just so taut, so tightly strung. But this is not a negative.

If that was an M car or any other performance car in general they would definitely penalize if it for the harsh ride and lack of refinement.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

Don't get me wrong I think this is a fantastic car but C&D's love affair with Porsche is getting to be a little too much IMO. I think it's the first time I've ever seen them not list a low for a vehicle despite admitting the following;



If that was an M car or any other performance car in general they would definitely penalize if it for the harsh ride and lack of refinement.

I'm not sure that's fair. I think given what it is, a GT4, the expectation SHOULD be that it's track-orientated and NOT a DD car. The problem is on the buyer side, people say, "oh wow, what a deal, I should get this over a 911 S or GTS" and end up with something that pounds them to hell, rather than what would have been more appropriate. Well, they brought it on themselves. Like all the people getting the ZL1 1LEs on the camaro boards for "only a few thousand more". Fantastic track car, hands down, but these are not DD cars for 99.9% of DDers. Regular ZL1 suspension is NOT "soft" and very sporty. This class of track cars can be driven to/from the track and can be enjoyed on some roads, but DDers they are not and that *should* be the expectation with them.

An M car is expected to carry over all the BMW features with luxury, unless you get to, what is it, the GTS where the door handles are replaced with straps? It'll be stiffer, sure, but they are pretty far from pure track cars (which is where their GTS model comes along).

[heavyD^2]

Not sure I agree with that take as you can option up a GT4 with all the luxury features of other Porsches (you can coat the interior in leather or alcantara). There are far more luxury options to choose than what is available for a typical M car. The reality is that the GT4 will not be any different than M or AMG cars in that a good portion of buyers will not be tracking them. I think it's fair to criticize C&D for moving the goalposts here not that it should take away from what appears to be a great little car.

[c1pher]

We have a 718 Boxster 2.0t and would consider the GTS 4.0 for more creature comforts instead of a more track focused car in the GT4. However at those prices, I think I’d rather have a 991.2 or a 992 Cab.

[m630]

Originally Posted by jstein55

Isn't the GT4 exclusive though when it comes to ownership? Usually GT cars are only given allocations to specific customers, I would imagine the number of people tracking GT cars is higher than AMG/M. There may be a chance of them purchasing the vehicle for looks/status, but I'd imagine that Porsche GT owners are avid enthusiasts.

Exclusive as cash.. got enuff and u can get what you want. GT cars are for P car luvers that happen to be very succes$ful, but little to do with being an enthusiast ...as im sure that most enthusiast fans will never be able to afford such a luxury.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by jstein55

Isn't the GT4 exclusive though when it comes to ownership? Usually GT cars are only given allocations to specific customers, I would imagine the number of people tracking GT cars is higher than AMG/M. There may be a chance of them purchasing the vehicle for looks/status, but I'd imagine that Porsche GT owners are avid enthusiasts.

What happens is if you are one of those customers who exchanges their custom ordered Porsche every six months or so, yeah the dealer is going to call you and ask if you want a rare car because the likelihood is high that you will buy it and they will get to re-sell it for near MSRP or higher half a year later, making even more profit. I see it all the time. I own two Porsches but the dealer isn't calling me up.

[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

I have one coming, and it should be here in about a month. I am pumped for it.

I think this car may possibly be the last of an era, and the combo is proving to be pretty epic. It runs a 7:28 at the Ring with only 415 hp and a manual gearbox. I think with PDK it will be a 7:20 car which is insane. I love PDK - even went with it in my Carrera T, but Porsche’s 6 speed manual is still better than their 7 speed (as good as it is) and I am excited to be back on a manual car. The car will be primarily street driven, and want to have manual in a car like this.

Close but no cigar. 7:28 was Porsche’s claim some months back but the OFFICIAL number is 4 seconds off that mark. Still nice but 4 seconds is a long distance at the Ring.
https://fastestlaps.com/models/porsche-cayman-gt4-718

[N54Yankee]

I knew that was coming. The excuse king

The driver of the new GT4 was the driver of record at the Ring more then anyone else in the top 50 performing cars. Can you even believe what you type? Wow

7:28 was nothing more then a Porsche claim from many months ago, you cannot possibly claim that a legitimate time. It was said to get guys like you salivating but when push comes to shove they fell short. As we went back and forth before in very similar discussion, 7:34 is the time that’s official and it remain so, regardless of what fantasies you conjure up.

[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

Then you will agree that the C8 doesn’t have an “official” time then right? Because Sport Auto hasn’t tested it yet, and everything else is just rumor or heresay. When it runs 7:38-7:40 on the Ring in their hands, I’ll make sure you PM you to say I told you so and that it’s slower than the GT4.

Also, how do you explain the GT3 RS times where Sport Auto is slower than the factory driver? My guess is you won’t address this because you have nothing to stand on.

Au contraire, to find the C8 time look at a time quicker then the new 992 and you’ll see the official time of the new Corvette. See, that list is an official time list and has been for many years and the times for the C8 and 992 will be still there, regardless of what Captain Cop out conjures up as will your upcoming car, still slower then the Corvette by even a wider margin the 911.
The guy who wheeled the new Porsche is a master of Nürburgring using Ring timing. The official list don’t lie. Your excuses fall flat on it face, yet again.

[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

Show me a video of this C8 official time. You are hilarious! You want to quote a factory Chevy time that has no video proof and then want to use slower Sport Auto times to try to prop your factory time up...I see. You are flat out wrong again and it was just proven here for everyone to see. The C8 is quite slow for a 500 hp car. In fact, it is a lot slower than a now one generation old Carrera GTS that only has 440 hp LOLOLOLOLOL
And it’s slower than 415 hp, manual transmission GT4 from Porsche.

Again, since you want to use Sport Auto, I’ll be sure to let you know the time Christian runs the C8 if Chevy ever ponies up to let them test it. 7:38-740.

How about when you show me a video of the 7:28 time of the GT4 or an official time from the Ring of a 7:28. You won’t because there’s neither, just sales pitch BS from the maker.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

Not sure I agree with that take as you can option up a GT4 with all the luxury features of other Porsches

Well porsche is not stupid, offering those features=profit.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

Classic deflection. You can’t and won’t answer my questions, which were asked first. Reason being, there is NO proof of ANY C8 time!

Do you even understand what "official time" means?

For new entries, this list requires an official manufacturer's press release for manufacturer-conducted tests. If the test has been conducted by an independent publication, an article in that publication is required. New entries require an original, uncut on-board video, showing the lap and the timing from start to finish. A statement that road legal OEM tyres have been used is required.

Car companies "project" times all the time, with modern data systems and programs, they can get damn close, but close doesn't mean real or official.

[Crimson92]

Originally Posted by jstein55

Isn't the GT4 exclusive though when it comes to ownership? Usually GT cars are only given allocations to specific customers, I would imagine the number of people tracking GT cars is higher than AMG/M. There may be a chance of them purchasing the vehicle for looks/status, but I'd imagine that Porsche GT owners are avid enthusiasts.

Nah. You can get one if you shop around.

[Crimson92]

Originally Posted by m630

Exclusive as cash.. got enuff and u can get what you want. GT cars are for P car luvers that happen to be very succes$ful, but little to do with being an enthusiast ...as im sure that most enthusiast fans will never be able to afford such a luxury.

Not true. I got an allocation at msrp. I passed on it.

Yes Porsche dealer play games but not all dealers are the same and not all buyers are rich speculators.

[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

Yes, I am more indexing on calling a Sport Auto an official time, and then also calling a projected time official.

I am fine comparing Sport Auto to Sport Auto but comparing Sport Auto time to a factory driver is not apples to apples since Sport Auto is always 5-10 seconds slower by and large than a factory driver.

So Gebhardt running cars for official times at Nürburgring for mainly for sport auto who has his name listed in the top fastest 50 cars more so then any other driver at that track is slow. Holy smokes!

You know Porsche could have easily had a ‘factory’ driver do a run anytime they chose, and it’s been quite some time since they claimed it could do a 4 second faster lap but it never happened. In fact, makers often try to get suitable laps using drivers of their choosing but fail to hit the number they want and we often don’t hear about them, the company couldn’t match or better the listed time. Oh well.
You really know how to make an argument.

[jeff113]

Originally Posted by N54Yankee

Close but no cigar. 7:28 was Porsche’s claim some months back but the OFFICIAL number is 4 seconds off that mark. Still nice but 4 seconds is a long distance at the Ring.
https://fastestlaps.com/models/porsche-cayman-gt4-718

4 seconds is a big difference on a 12-mile track???

[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by jeff113

4 seconds is a big difference on a 12-mile track???

For discussions sake, lets use a speed of 140mph running down the final mile at the Ring, 4 seconds works out to a bit over 800 feet. Far from a photo finish and a quite substantial amount of time and distance, especially in track timing. Most accept the fact that 4 seconds at Nürburgring is a big difference, even when claimed by a manufacturer that cant match or better the time they claimed it would.

As to the Corvette comment, you and I had a discussion months ago where you said the 992 times would beat the new C8 and I disagreed. We mutually agreed to let the OFFICIAL numbers do the talking when they started running them. Well they did and the C8 edged out the 992 in two tracks(2-0 and counting) thus far and you immediately started making excuse after excuse just as you are now. It’s obviously your M.O. and it can’t be changed.
I’m a man of my word and would have accepted it if the Corvette didn’t beat the Porsche and would have said as much, you on the other hand cannot, just as you’re doing now. It’s really pretty sad.

[m630]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

I do not think your first statement is accurate, at least not in my own experience. Most of these cars go to long time, and repeat customers and/or VIP Program members. If you walked into a dealer, enough cash or not, you’re unlikely to be able to buy a car.
I also think that most people who buy GT models are enthusiasts. Something like 90% of GT cars are tracked, so that should tell you who’s buying them.

Sorry not true in any way. Its always all about who you know and how much you can afford period. Trust me Im fortunate to be around just such people. I never said that ‘anyone’ can get one, i said that anyone with enough resources can get one, thats a very very big difference.

Second on GT cars, if you dont think that a good portion of owners arent just buying to say they have the most expensive model because they can afford it you are kidding yourself, its human nature.
And you misunderstand my point. Im not saying that some that buy GT cars arent enthusiasts, Im saying they are no more enthusiasts than anyone else that loves the brand or cars in general, they just happen to have lots of disposable income to enjoy such luxuries...but that makes them no more of a car enthusiast than say someone with a modded wrx or civic for that matter, they are just super fortunate to have lots of extra cash around.

Point it your post talks down to people as if GT owners are more enthusiastic than anyone else because they can afford a GT car and that is just not true, its rude.

Im a P car luver and have 3 911s in the family, but i dont think anyone else that may not have the resources is any lesser of any enthusiast.


There is a small percentage that track them, most are too scared to as it affects resale greatly and at the end of the day, most are more interested in protecting the value than actually using what they were built for, too many peps I know are like this but its all about status to some.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by jeff113

4 seconds is a big difference on a 12-mile track???

At these performance levels, yes.