New to this? Confused about JB3?

sd390r · 10-01-2008, 12:03 AM

ALOT of people see my sig. and PM me questions about JB3.. and i cant blame any of them, i had the same questions when i was new to this... so i figured id post it so maybe people will read this and not have to ask questions

question: whats the difference between pinout/pnp, 29.2 and pre 29.2

BMS SELLS DIFFERENT "PIGGYBACK COMPUTERS" FOR OUR ENGINE..

juicebox stage 1 (jb1) which adds a little hp/tq

juicebox stage 2 (jb2, jb2hhr, jb2x) which has a bunch of different weird add ons to make it faster

and juice box stage 3 (the new one, jb3, the one everyone has)

the JB3 is probably the best tune you can get for your car.. it comes in 2 versions

PINOUT

PLUG N PLAY (PNP)

both of these do the same exact thing to your engine except the difference is in ease to install/remove

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the PINOUT has individual pins you plug into pins in your computer box... it takes a little longer to install, more of a pain in the ass

the plug and play just has large black connectors with all of the wires already plugged in, so you connect a few things instead of wires individually by pins

the upside to the pinout is that its 200$ less

pinout $579 pnp $779

it also ships alot faster, less demand

theres also a $200 upgrade to pinout that makes it the same exact thing as plug and play.. so if you buy pinout (like i did, save $) then decide to upgrade to make it easier to install/uninstall... you can always turn it into PNP
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ALSO
its going to ask "pre 29.2/post29.2" when you buy

our cars computer comes in software versions just like a computer (windows me, xp, vista)

for a 335i, youll see.. 25.2, then 26.2 - 27.2 etc

it goes up a number everytime they update the software for our cars

NOW... with the update from 28.2 to 29.2 there was something added to our computer that can detect tunes if theyre not made right

so if your car is older, and you have the old software, and are planning to stay that way - get the pre 29.2

if youre updated, have a new car, or expect to be updated at the BMW dealer, select post 29.2

theres not a major difference at all a little less low end tq i believe... (who cares)

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my JB3

I have a pinout post 29.2 version on my car that was built in 05/2008

its FAST as shit, youll notice it gain ALOT of speed after a few days

youll also notice your able to pull alot of cars that you wouldnt expect to beat... ie.... new m3s, c63 amgs, is-fs etc (beware of 650hp supercharged gtos though

)

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to those that know what youre talking about, feel free to add things so that people that want to get this dont have to bother terry or rick and can just read this

n excuse my retardedness when it comes to the jb1, jb2... in my opinion why would you get one of those? gun for jb3

also dont come on here saying your tune is better... v3 and helix attache are great! they make almost as much HP/TQ as our jb3 if not the same... but for the price / ease - id go JB3

HOPE that answered your questions (to the 4-5 people that were PMing me)

im not trying to be a dick by posting this, so if you have any more ?s you can still PM me and ill respond

good luck

dgliango · 10-01-2008, 12:08 AM

good post, clarified a few things for me.

sd390r · 10-01-2008, 12:12 AM

yeah not scientific at all, in english LOL thats the one thing i was pissed about when i would ask terry / rixster questions back when i first got my car

theyre too used to talking to people who know alot about this shit, so its hard for them to answer questions to people who are new to this

sorry if it looks hard to read / too long LOL im not big on bolding/italics and smile faces and shit

sd390r · 10-01-2008, 12:20 AM

wow could have saved alot of typing lol rixster started a thread almost identical to this! well he sells the product so if anyone wants any non-bias opinions! PM me

absix · 10-01-2008, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sd390r

new m3s, c63 amgs, is-fs etc (beware of 650hp supercharged gtos though

)

For real?

exidisjon · 10-01-2008, 02:41 AM

I dont think it can pull c63AMG's. Maybe keep up. e92 M3's and IS-F can be beaten but not with ease and possibly lose sometimes..

BES335xi · 10-01-2008, 03:55 AM

well if u get fmic jb3 dp's intake, u should be able to take alot of 'em... but then again at the end of the day it all depends on the driver as well.

sd390r · 10-01-2008, 10:11 AM

ive taken a c63 up to 110 and hit my brakes... look at shivs video

we can take gallardos up to 125.....

just stop at 125 and say i won ; )

sd390r · 10-01-2008, 10:12 AM

the only way those cars.. (m3 / c63 big engine cars) take us is high up there.. and i usually dont go past 120 when racing so.. i surprise alot of fast whips : p

BMW_TT · 10-01-2008, 11:11 AM

Post is too long to read. Cliffs?

danniexi · 10-01-2008, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMW_TT

Post is too long to read. Cliffs?

- OP is fed up with people PMing him about differences with JB3, progman, and pinout/PNP. Goes over the differences.

- For all noobs, get JB3 PNP 29.2+ ver., Procede V3, or Helix Attache and STFU.

BMW_TT · 10-01-2008, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danniexi

- OP is fed up with people PMing him about differences with JB3, progman, and pinout/PNP. Goes over the differences.

- For all noobs, get JB3 PNP 29.2+ ver., Procede V3, or Helix Attache and STFU.

Eh, ok.

sd390r · 10-01-2008, 03:09 PM

hahaha exactly ; )

pdjafari · 10-01-2008, 03:42 PM

I want to see how the JB3 PnP version is installed. I have seen some pics, and they all include the pinout which I dont like at all. I just want something like an SSTT except w/ more power. I have seen pics of the JB3 PnP (small black box) looks like a cartridge but have yet to see whats actually involved in installing it, and also what it looks like once installed.

Once I can get a feel of how really PnP it is, then I'll pick one up. For now I feel like its not really PnP, but its just slightly more PnP then the standard but I am prob. wrong...

LotusGt111 · 10-01-2008, 05:35 PM

So.. all in all, the JB3 is the way to go.. and it really won't void the warranty, I'm quite nervous about this and am a noob as well. I have a bunch of noob questions as well. How hard is it to DIY? or should I take it to a tuner? What if BMW finds out? and if they do void the warranty do they still do the free oil changes or do they scrap everything?

Thanks!

bigbadbull · 10-01-2008, 07:32 PM

Any one have a JB3 and a Sprint booster? Will combo this cause Issues, on my 535 I already have a Sb

tommay248 · 10-01-2008, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BES335xi

well if u get fmic jb3 dp's intake, u should be able to take alot of 'em... but then again at the end of the day it all depends on the driver as well.

what is "fmic"?

bootay · 10-01-2008, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdjafari

Once I can get a feel of how really PnP it is, then I'll pick one up. For now I feel like its not really PnP, but its just slightly more PnP then the standard but I am prob. wrong...

Just read the install manuals for it, they're on the bms site...and videos...

To answer the question quickly, it's not PnP...you still have to remove a bunch of junk to get to the ECU box, open it up, pop out the DME boxes, slide out the default connectors, plug in the JB3 connectors, plug the default connectors into the JB3, tuck it all in nicely, and close up the box and reattach all of the stuff that was in the way. If you were insane fast, with just the right tools, you can do it in 15 minutes, but most humans probably take 30-45 if they're good, 60-120 if they're n00bs like me.

That said, it is simple to do, just takes a little time.

jnerenberg · 10-01-2008, 09:24 PM

I know my biggest concern is reliability. I worry about putting my turbos under so much stress (15psi is ALOT for our tiny turbos). While SSTT may not be the fastest mod around, it seems to be the safest.

sd390r · 10-01-2008, 10:26 PM

our turbos are said to be able to safely handle up to 15.9psi

JB3 will be fine with your warranty... buy the post 29.2 version... drive it where/however you like... say youre going to the dealer tomorrow for something.. take it out tonight... pick the car up from the dealer tomorrow... put it back in = )

my dealer is so cool with it, i dont even take it out, but thats up to you to make some friends in the service department lol or pay somebody to look the other way

a FMIC is a front mount intercooler... we have one stock but alot of people have upgraded ones and theyre usually dyno proven to gain +20whp... pretty good mod to look at after jb3 and downpipes

theres plenty of install videos / directions on youtube... this website... etc.

or just have someone on here or anyone thats mechanically inclined install it for u LOL

youll really love the jb3... warning though... changing shit on your car ("modding") is fuckin addictive... my pockets been empty ever since i chose a 335 haha loving it tho... its gonna make u wanna drive alot more

pdjafari · 10-01-2008, 10:45 PM

how much boost does the jb3 kick it up to vs stock?

What are the expected HP/TQ #s?

If its really as simple as remove OEM harness, plug Jb3 PnP harness where OEM one was. Then plug OEM harness onto the other end of the JB3 PnP harness than I will prob. go for it!

5soko · 10-01-2008, 10:49 PM

with the new 1.1 maps, terry said peak is around 14psi on a stock car. can be bit more or less, depending on mods, octane, temps , evelation and such.

hp and tq are a increase of 70-80WHP and 70-80WTQ, depending on octane.

its tottally PNP from what i have seen, remove old two plug in harness's, install the 2 JB3 harness in the oem place, then plug the oem plug on top of it and close it back up.
seems to be now power and ground taps which is good.

10-01-2008, 12:03 AM	#1
sd390r Lieutenant Colonel 64 Rep 1,654 Posts Drives: AW M3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North Jersey iTrader: (9) Garage List 2008 E90 335i [0.00]	New to this? Confused about JB3? - CLICK ALOT of people see my sig. and PM me questions about JB3.. and i cant blame any of them, i had the same questions when i was new to this... so i figured id post it so maybe people will read this and not have to ask questions question: whats the difference between pinout/pnp, 29.2 and pre 29.2 BMS SELLS DIFFERENT "PIGGYBACK COMPUTERS" FOR OUR ENGINE.. juicebox stage 1 (jb1) which adds a little hp/tq juicebox stage 2 (jb2, jb2hhr, jb2x) which has a bunch of different weird add ons to make it faster and juice box stage 3 (the new one, jb3, the one everyone has) the JB3 is probably the best tune you can get for your car.. it comes in 2 versions PINOUT PLUG N PLAY (PNP) both of these do the same exact thing to your engine except the difference is in ease to install/remove ------------ the PINOUT has individual pins you plug into pins in your computer box... it takes a little longer to install, more of a pain in the ass the plug and play just has large black connectors with all of the wires already plugged in, so you connect a few things instead of wires individually by pins the upside to the pinout is that its 200$ less pinout $579 pnp $779 it also ships alot faster, less demand theres also a $200 upgrade to pinout that makes it the same exact thing as plug and play.. so if you buy pinout (like i did, save $) then decide to upgrade to make it easier to install/uninstall... you can always turn it into PNP ------------------ ALSO its going to ask "pre 29.2/post29.2" when you buy our cars computer comes in software versions just like a computer (windows me, xp, vista) for a 335i, youll see.. 25.2, then 26.2 - 27.2 etc it goes up a number everytime they update the software for our cars NOW... with the update from 28.2 to 29.2 there was something added to our computer that can detect tunes if theyre not made right so if your car is older, and you have the old software, and are planning to stay that way - get the pre 29.2 if youre updated, have a new car, or expect to be updated at the BMW dealer, select post 29.2 theres not a major difference at all a little less low end tq i believe... (who cares) ---- my JB3 I have a pinout post 29.2 version on my car that was built in 05/2008 its FAST as shit, youll notice it gain ALOT of speed after a few days youll also notice your able to pull alot of cars that you wouldnt expect to beat... ie.... new m3s, c63 amgs, is-fs etc (beware of 650hp supercharged gtos though ) ======== to those that know what youre talking about, feel free to add things so that people that want to get this dont have to bother terry or rick and can just read this n excuse my retardedness when it comes to the jb1, jb2... in my opinion why would you get one of those? gun for jb3 also dont come on here saying your tune is better... v3 and helix attache are great! they make almost as much HP/TQ as our jb3 if not the same... but for the price / ease - id go JB3 HOPE that answered your questions (to the 4-5 people that were PMing me) im not trying to be a dick by posting this, so if you have any more ?s you can still PM me and ill respond good luck __________________ 2008 E90 M3 - Sold 2006 Evo IX SE - Sold 2008 E90 335i - Sold
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sd390r Lieutenant Colonel 64 Rep 1,654 Posts Drives: AW M3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North Jersey iTrader: (9) Garage List 2008 E90 335i [0.00]	yeah not scientific at all, in english LOL thats the one thing i was pissed about when i would ask terry / rixster questions back when i first got my car theyre too used to talking to people who know alot about this shit, so its hard for them to answer questions to people who are new to this sorry if it looks hard to read / too long LOL im not big on bolding/italics and smile faces and shit __________________ 2008 E90 M3 - Sold 2006 Evo IX SE - Sold 2008 E90 335i - Sold
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sd390r Lieutenant Colonel 64 Rep 1,654 Posts Drives: AW M3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North Jersey iTrader: (9) Garage List 2008 E90 335i [0.00]	wow could have saved alot of typing lol rixster started a thread almost identical to this! well he sells the product so if anyone wants any non-bias opinions! PM me __________________ 2008 E90 M3 - Sold 2006 Evo IX SE - Sold 2008 E90 335i - Sold
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exidisjon PuffPuffPass 55 Rep 1,096 Posts Drives: E92 335xi AW/Saddle Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NJ iTrader: (8)	I dont think it can pull c63AMG's. Maybe keep up. e92 M3's and IS-F can be beaten but not with ease and possibly lose sometimes.. __________________ My right foot weighs more than my left for sure.
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BES335xi Colonel 92 Rep 2,132 Posts Drives: FBO+ N54xi Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Queens, NYC iTrader: (4) Garage List 03/07 E90 335xi [1.00]	well if u get fmic jb3 dp's intake, u should be able to take alot of 'em... but then again at the end of the day it all depends on the driver as well. __________________ JB4+usb \| P3 Vent Boost Gauge v2 \| BMS OCC \| BMS DCI \| AMS FMIC \| AR xi CL DP's \| BT Tool \| Edibias/NCSExpert/INPA BMW Coding \| Cyba Quad Exhaust tips \| M-Tech Rear & M3 Front Bumper \| Red Cyba Air Scoops \| Blacklines \| Vinyl Overlays \| ACS Roof Spoiler \| Matte Black Grilles \| LED Side Mirrors \| Rear Euro Fogs \| etc.. .
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sd390r Lieutenant Colonel 64 Rep 1,654 Posts Drives: AW M3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North Jersey iTrader: (9) Garage List 2008 E90 335i [0.00]	ive taken a c63 up to 110 and hit my brakes... look at shivs video we can take gallardos up to 125..... just stop at 125 and say i won ; ) __________________ 2008 E90 M3 - Sold 2006 Evo IX SE - Sold 2008 E90 335i - Sold
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sd390r Lieutenant Colonel 64 Rep 1,654 Posts Drives: AW M3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North Jersey iTrader: (9) Garage List 2008 E90 335i [0.00]	the only way those cars.. (m3 / c63 big engine cars) take us is high up there.. and i usually dont go past 120 when racing so.. i surprise alot of fast whips : p __________________ 2008 E90 M3 - Sold 2006 Evo IX SE - Sold 2008 E90 335i - Sold
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sd390r Lieutenant Colonel 64 Rep 1,654 Posts Drives: AW M3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North Jersey iTrader: (9) Garage List 2008 E90 335i [0.00]	hahaha exactly ; ) __________________ 2008 E90 M3 - Sold 2006 Evo IX SE - Sold 2008 E90 335i - Sold
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pdjafari Colonel 173 Rep 2,510 Posts Drives: G80 M3C Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Earth iTrader: (5)	I want to see how the JB3 PnP version is installed. I have seen some pics, and they all include the pinout which I dont like at all. I just want something like an SSTT except w/ more power. I have seen pics of the JB3 PnP (small black box) looks like a cartridge but have yet to see whats actually involved in installing it, and also what it looks like once installed. Once I can get a feel of how really PnP it is, then I'll pick one up. For now I feel like its not really PnP, but its just slightly more PnP then the standard but I am prob. wrong...
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LotusGt111 Enlisted Member 4 Rep 39 Posts Drives: 2007 BMW 335i Coupe Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Northern Virginia iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 335i Coupe [0.00]	So.. all in all, the JB3 is the way to go.. and it really won't void the warranty, I'm quite nervous about this and am a noob as well. I have a bunch of noob questions as well. How hard is it to DIY? or should I take it to a tuner? What if BMW finds out? and if they do void the warranty do they still do the free oil changes or do they scrap everything? Thanks!
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bigbadbull Enlisted Member 0 Rep 39 Posts Drives: 530iXT Sport package Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Birmingham AL iTrader: (0)	Any one have a JB3 and a Sprint booster? Will combo this cause Issues, on my 535 I already have a Sb
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jnerenberg professional assassin 18 Rep 207 Posts Drives: 2008 e92 335i Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: New York iTrader: (4) Garage List 2008 335i [0.00]	I know my biggest concern is reliability. I worry about putting my turbos under so much stress (15psi is ALOT for our tiny turbos). While SSTT may not be the fastest mod around, it seems to be the safest. __________________ 2008 E92 335i---AW/CR/Grey Poplar
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sd390r Lieutenant Colonel 64 Rep 1,654 Posts Drives: AW M3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North Jersey iTrader: (9) Garage List 2008 E90 335i [0.00]	our turbos are said to be able to safely handle up to 15.9psi JB3 will be fine with your warranty... buy the post 29.2 version... drive it where/however you like... say youre going to the dealer tomorrow for something.. take it out tonight... pick the car up from the dealer tomorrow... put it back in = ) my dealer is so cool with it, i dont even take it out, but thats up to you to make some friends in the service department lol or pay somebody to look the other way a FMIC is a front mount intercooler... we have one stock but alot of people have upgraded ones and theyre usually dyno proven to gain +20whp... pretty good mod to look at after jb3 and downpipes theres plenty of install videos / directions on youtube... this website... etc. or just have someone on here or anyone thats mechanically inclined install it for u LOL youll really love the jb3... warning though... changing shit on your car ("modding") is fuckin addictive... my pockets been empty ever since i chose a 335 haha loving it tho... its gonna make u wanna drive alot more __________________ 2008 E90 M3 - Sold 2006 Evo IX SE - Sold 2008 E90 335i - Sold
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10-01-2008, 10:45 PM	#21
pdjafari Colonel 173 Rep 2,510 Posts Drives: G80 M3C Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Earth iTrader: (5)	how much boost does the jb3 kick it up to vs stock? What are the expected HP/TQ #s? If its really as simple as remove OEM harness, plug Jb3 PnP harness where OEM one was. Then plug OEM harness onto the other end of the JB3 PnP harness than I will prob. go for it!
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10-01-2008, 10:49 PM	#22
5soko Brigadier General 350 Rep 4,633 Posts Drives: M5 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY iTrader: (4)	with the new 1.1 maps, terry said peak is around 14psi on a stock car. can be bit more or less, depending on mods, octane, temps , evelation and such. hp and tq are a increase of 70-80WHP and 70-80WTQ, depending on octane. its tottally PNP from what i have seen, remove old two plug in harness's, install the 2 JB3 harness in the oem place, then plug the oem plug on top of it and close it back up. seems to be now power and ground taps which is good.
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