Problems with MP3 cds (stfa)

Josh49 · 04-15-2006, 11:46 AM

Tried making a mp3 cd the other day, three different tries. Each one is having problems actually finding songs. I have not seen this problem in the forums, only skipping early out of songs. If I scroll through on idrive and click on a song to play it normally cannot find it and will keep scrolling through the songs until it finds one. I tried imation and tdk disks, and am using Roxio CD and DVD Creator. I don't really care so much about song titles, I just want the songs to actually all play. I burned them on the lowest setting possible, as described in some threads, 4X. Is the media I'm using not good enough? I'm kind of reluctant to go buy expensive cd's as I don't know if its a media, or software problem. Laptop is a very fast and capable Sony Vaio. Has anyone had problems with or success with a similar setup, or run into this problem and find out how to fix it? Roxio lists a few file formats I tried them all, UDF, ISO9699, and one other. Still having this problem..

Any ideas??
Thanks,
Josh

JJY · 11-27-2006, 02:41 AM

I was having the same problem, only 3 songs played on my MP3 CD. When I saw the compatibility PDF, I noticed that the player does not support variable bit rate, and the sample rate must be at 44.1 kHz. Sure enough, the only three songs that played had a constant bit rate of 320 and sample rate at 44.1 kHz. The other songe also had a fixed bit rate, but used a sample rate of 48 kHz, the is typical for HD sound tracks. I upconverted these to apple lossless in iTunes and reconverted the to the appropiate mp3. I reburned the CD and it works fine. My 1 year old Kenwood in my other car had no problems playing anything I threw at it, you would think that a car close to 50 Gs would have a better cd player. Geeez.
Hope this helps.

Josh49 · 11-27-2006, 08:05 AM

Yeah. Funny you mention this. Another member brought this up in another thread. Sure enough, I looked at my ripping software and I was ripping at 48 as well. I tried ripping some at 44.1 and it worked. I made an album with about 10 cds on it to try, and it's really great how it works. However two of the albums I still had the same problem. Should I step it down to 32 (the next step down) to see if the problem goes away? Or should 44.1 always work.

My other question is on compression. Normally I rip at about 128, however if you rip at 96 or 112 say, you will be able to get more alums onto each cd. At what point does the quality begin to fade? Has anyone played around with this and tried this experiment yet? I am tempted to rip an album at 3 different levels and see if the differences are noticable. I could play them in my car as well as home theater system. But if someone has already done this and could share their results that would be great. If the differences are un-noticable to the human ear, I will definitely rip that at 96 and get some more music on each disk.

Funny you brought up this really old thread, but this is all recent so I'm kind of glad you brought it up. I gave up on getting mp3 cd's to work on my car.. Now I'm maybe 90% of the way there.. (wahoo!!) Let's keep this conversation going..

I do concur, that on such an expensive car, the stereo should not be this picky..

hustlekong · 08-10-2007, 03:59 PM

How can you tell what settings: 44khz vs 48khz and Constant Bit Rate vs Variable Bit Rate were used to burn MP3 or Audio CD?

I am using Nero burning software.

I have MP3 and audio CD that skips and can't read the song.

Thanks for your time.

Hustlekong

Jackdaw · 08-11-2007, 05:20 AM

I have been able to play mp3 cd's at any bit rate whether constant or variable.
Don't use proprietary methods like Fraunhofer with Nero. Use LAME instead.
By far the best method is to use Exact Audio Copy and then choose LAME as the encoder in "compression options". "Preset standard" is a good VBR, you could also use "Preset extreme" for even higher quality.

Josh49 · 08-11-2007, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hustlekong

How can you tell what settings: 44khz vs 48khz and Constant Bit Rate vs Variable Bit Rate were used to burn MP3 or Audio CD?

I am using Nero burning software.

I have MP3 and audio CD that skips and can't read the song.

Thanks for your time.

Hustlekong

If you right click on any song and click on details or advanced details, it should list all of this information..

I'm ripping all my music at constant 128 and 44khz sample rate and have not had any problems since. I don't know if it would like the variable rate..

DCJAX · 08-15-2007, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh49

Yeah. Funny you mention this. Another member brought this up in another thread. Sure enough, I looked at my ripping software and I was ripping at 48 as well. I tried ripping some at 44.1 and it worked. I made an album with about 10 cds on it to try, and it's really great how it works. However two of the albums I still had the same problem. Should I step it down to 32 (the next step down) to see if the problem goes away? Or should 44.1 always work.

My other question is on compression. Normally I rip at about 128, however if you rip at 96 or 112 say, you will be able to get more alums onto each cd. At what point does the quality begin to fade? Has anyone played around with this and tried this experiment yet? I am tempted to rip an album at 3 different levels and see if the differences are noticable. I could play them in my car as well as home theater system. But if someone has already done this and could share their results that would be great. If the differences are un-noticable to the human ear, I will definitely rip that at 96 and get some more music on each disk.

Funny you brought up this really old thread, but this is all recent so I'm kind of glad you brought it up. I gave up on getting mp3 cd's to work on my car.. Now I'm maybe 90% of the way there.. (wahoo!!) Let's keep this conversation going..

I do concur, that on such an expensive car, the stereo should not be this picky..

MP3 quality decrease is is fairly substantial at anything less than 128. 128 is the standard and is supposed to be indistinguishable from CD audio, but that's not really true. I wouldn't go lower than 128.

drwtsn32 · 08-15-2007, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DCJAX

128 is the standard and is supposed to be indistinguishable from CD audio, but that's not really true.

Haha... not even close! 128kbps doesn't sound anywhere near CD quality. Personally I rip everything at 320kbps CBR because you can't possibly do better with MP3. I'm sure at some point well before 320kbps it sounds indistinguishable from CD to most listeners, but 128kbps isn't it (at least for me).

BTW, why rip CDs at 48khz? CDs are natively 44.1khz and it does no good to rip at a higher sampling rate.

AlB · 08-16-2007, 06:21 PM

all of my mp3's play fine and they are all VBR. MArch 06 production date with no progman updates cd professional no iwreck or nav

Bob (Los Angeles) · 12-12-2007, 02:59 PM

I acquired a 335i with 6FL last week. Have been experimenting with the USB connection. Found that WMA, non-protected AAC, constant rate mp3 and WAV files play as expected. However, VBR MP3s encoded through iTunes will not play through the USB connection. They skip or won't play at all. I haven't tried playing VBR mp3s from a burned CD, but I have no reason to expect a different result.
I intend to not use the iPod connection even though it has certain advantages because I would like to stay digital as long as possible to get the best possible sound. I haven't experimented to determine if I can hear a difference between the iPod (analog) and the USB (digital) inputs, but on general principle I like the idea of avoiding serial conversions from analog to digital and back.
Bob (Los Angeles)

zenmaster · 12-13-2007, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drwtsn32

Personally I rip everything at 320kbps CBR because you can't possibly do better with MP3.

320kbps VBR should be better as far as size and quality will be the same.

Bob (Los Angeles) · 12-14-2007, 12:56 AM

Correction,
Some VBR MP3s play, others do not. Investigating why.
All CBR MP3s, irrespective of bitrate play perfectly, through the USB input. I really don't see a reason to use the iPod cable, which degrades the sound by interposing an extra D-A and A-D conversion. I suppose if one wants to listen to iTunes Store protected AAC, then that would warrant using the iPod cable.
Bob (Los Angeles)

zenmaster · 12-14-2007, 08:57 AM

I noticed that even if you have 44.1Khz sample rate, some lower bitrate mp3s won't play at all (i.e. some audio books).

glamprecht · 12-14-2007, 03:00 PM

Free software called burnatonce which you will find on google works well at different bit rates.

You have to record in ISO1999:2000 format.

Software like Roxio, free Nero and M$ does not work.

zenmaster · 12-14-2007, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glamprecht

Free software called burnatonce which you will find on google works well at different bit rates.

You have to record in ISO1999:2000 format.

Software like Roxio, free Nero and M$ does not work.

Nero works. and you don't have to record in ISO1999:2000 format - but that'll get you longer filenames.

E92sports · 12-16-2007, 06:52 AM

I had same problem also.

I just took it to dealer. I should've come here first and checked on the infos.
shit....

04-15-2006, 11:46 AM	#1
Josh49 Major General 254 Rep 6,664 Posts Drives: E90 325xi Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Boston, MA iTrader: (33)	Problems with MP3 cds (stfa) Tried making a mp3 cd the other day, three different tries. Each one is having problems actually finding songs. I have not seen this problem in the forums, only skipping early out of songs. If I scroll through on idrive and click on a song to play it normally cannot find it and will keep scrolling through the songs until it finds one. I tried imation and tdk disks, and am using Roxio CD and DVD Creator. I don't really care so much about song titles, I just want the songs to actually all play. I burned them on the lowest setting possible, as described in some threads, 4X. Is the media I'm using not good enough? I'm kind of reluctant to go buy expensive cd's as I don't know if its a media, or software problem. Laptop is a very fast and capable Sony Vaio. Has anyone had problems with or success with a similar setup, or run into this problem and find out how to fix it? Roxio lists a few file formats I tried them all, UDF, ISO9699, and one other. Still having this problem.. Any ideas?? Thanks, Josh __________________ E90 325XI, MYSTIC BLUE ON BLACK/ALUM, STEP, NAV, PDC, CWP, XENON, SIRIUS, ALARM, MUD GUARDS, CLEARBRA, CHROME GRILLS AND TIPS, VALENTINE 1 (HARDWIRED), HO CERAMIC 40%, 161'S, REAR FOG MOD, LUX 4.0, BLACKLINES, OEM PEDALS, MTEC FOGS, GRUPPE-M REP INTAKE. 156'S AND RUBBER MATS FOR THE WINTER.
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JJY Registered 0 Rep 1 Posts Drives: 335 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: CA iTrader: (0)	I was having the same problem, only 3 songs played on my MP3 CD. When I saw the compatibility PDF, I noticed that the player does not support variable bit rate, and the sample rate must be at 44.1 kHz. Sure enough, the only three songs that played had a constant bit rate of 320 and sample rate at 44.1 kHz. The other songe also had a fixed bit rate, but used a sample rate of 48 kHz, the is typical for HD sound tracks. I upconverted these to apple lossless in iTunes and reconverted the to the appropiate mp3. I reburned the CD and it works fine. My 1 year old Kenwood in my other car had no problems playing anything I threw at it, you would think that a car close to 50 Gs would have a better cd player. Geeez. Hope this helps.
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Josh49 Major General 254 Rep 6,664 Posts Drives: E90 325xi Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Boston, MA iTrader: (33)	Yeah. Funny you mention this. Another member brought this up in another thread. Sure enough, I looked at my ripping software and I was ripping at 48 as well. I tried ripping some at 44.1 and it worked. I made an album with about 10 cds on it to try, and it's really great how it works. However two of the albums I still had the same problem. Should I step it down to 32 (the next step down) to see if the problem goes away? Or should 44.1 always work. My other question is on compression. Normally I rip at about 128, however if you rip at 96 or 112 say, you will be able to get more alums onto each cd. At what point does the quality begin to fade? Has anyone played around with this and tried this experiment yet? I am tempted to rip an album at 3 different levels and see if the differences are noticable. I could play them in my car as well as home theater system. But if someone has already done this and could share their results that would be great. If the differences are un-noticable to the human ear, I will definitely rip that at 96 and get some more music on each disk. Funny you brought up this really old thread, but this is all recent so I'm kind of glad you brought it up. I gave up on getting mp3 cd's to work on my car.. Now I'm maybe 90% of the way there.. (wahoo!!) Let's keep this conversation going.. I do concur, that on such an expensive car, the stereo should not be this picky.. __________________ E90 325XI, MYSTIC BLUE ON BLACK/ALUM, STEP, NAV, PDC, CWP, XENON, SIRIUS, ALARM, MUD GUARDS, CLEARBRA, CHROME GRILLS AND TIPS, VALENTINE 1 (HARDWIRED), HO CERAMIC 40%, 161'S, REAR FOG MOD, LUX 4.0, BLACKLINES, OEM PEDALS, MTEC FOGS, GRUPPE-M REP INTAKE. 156'S AND RUBBER MATS FOR THE WINTER.
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hustlekong Registered 0 Rep 2 Posts Drives: 325i Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: CA iTrader: (0)	music CD burning settings How can you tell what settings: 44khz vs 48khz and Constant Bit Rate vs Variable Bit Rate were used to burn MP3 or Audio CD? I am using Nero burning software. I have MP3 and audio CD that skips and can't read the song. Thanks for your time. Hustlekong
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Jackdaw Enlisted Member 4 Rep 38 Posts Drives: 330 SE (E90) Auto Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	I have been able to play mp3 cd's at any bit rate whether constant or variable. Don't use proprietary methods like Fraunhofer with Nero. Use LAME instead. By far the best method is to use Exact Audio Copy and then choose LAME as the encoder in "compression options". "Preset standard" is a good VBR, you could also use "Preset extreme" for even higher quality.
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AlB Private First Class 11 Rep 194 Posts Drives: 2006 330i MT gry/blk Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: SF iTrader: (1)	all of my mp3's play fine and they are all VBR. MArch 06 production date with no progman updates cd professional no iwreck or nav __________________ 06 330i gry/blk everything but iWreck, nav & pdc carbon splitters, door trim, grill, roof spoiler CDV delete, B&M Short shifter, cyba scoops
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Bob (Los Angeles) New Member 5 Rep 16 Posts Drives: 2016 M3 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	VBR I acquired a 335i with 6FL last week. Have been experimenting with the USB connection. Found that WMA, non-protected AAC, constant rate mp3 and WAV files play as expected. However, VBR MP3s encoded through iTunes will not play through the USB connection. They skip or won't play at all. I haven't tried playing VBR mp3s from a burned CD, but I have no reason to expect a different result. I intend to not use the iPod connection even though it has certain advantages because I would like to stay digital as long as possible to get the best possible sound. I haven't experimented to determine if I can hear a difference between the iPod (analog) and the USB (digital) inputs, but on general principle I like the idea of avoiding serial conversions from analog to digital and back. Bob (Los Angeles)
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Bob (Los Angeles) New Member 5 Rep 16 Posts Drives: 2016 M3 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	Correction, Some VBR MP3s play, others do not. Investigating why. All CBR MP3s, irrespective of bitrate play perfectly, through the USB input. I really don't see a reason to use the iPod cable, which degrades the sound by interposing an extra D-A and A-D conversion. I suppose if one wants to listen to iTunes Store protected AAC, then that would warrant using the iPod cable. Bob (Los Angeles)
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zenmaster Brigadier General 1581 Rep 3,888 Posts Drives: '17 M2 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Atlanta iTrader: (1)	I noticed that even if you have 44.1Khz sample rate, some lower bitrate mp3s won't play at all (i.e. some audio books).
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glamprecht Private First Class 7 Rep 173 Posts Drives: 330iE90, F15X5, F25X3, F15X5 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ilinois iTrader: (0)	Free software called burnatonce which you will find on google works well at different bit rates. You have to record in ISO1999:2000 format. Software like Roxio, free Nero and M$ does not work. __________________ Jun 2006 330i Manual, Active Cruise, Comfort Access, Nav prof, Voice, Bluetooth
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E92sports New Member 0 Rep 8 Posts Drives: E92 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: OC iTrader: (0)	I had same problem also. I just took it to dealer. I should've come here first and checked on the infos. shit.... __________________ [ E92sports ]
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