don't keep bmw after warranty expires?!

ho_grayson · 10-21-2008, 02:21 PM

i just read a thread about this topic! holly shit! i just have bought e90 and plan to upgrade with dinan parts! i REALLY want to keep at least 8 yrs! god! it seems a BAD idea! i thought bmw has improved their quality!

maybe someone else have different ideas?

Lotus99 · 10-21-2008, 02:40 PM

Might be helpful if you link to that thread?

jeho · 10-21-2008, 02:44 PM

lol....dont even put the dinan parts...their warranty system is for up sale yet not 100% backed up guaranteed...you should ask the guys who have DINAN and have warranty issues...its not as advertised and theres still a chance you need to go thru so much (posting rants and making Dinan look bad) before you get your stuff fixed/paid thru Dinan...and chance that they may just refund u for your dinan flash (not labor and not fix the problem)

TURBO vehicles in general don't last without rebuild and upgrades..
BMW 335i Turbo known to have so many issues such as fuel pump and wastegate...
If you up the pressure on these baby turbos, the life is certainly not going to be long.

My guess is that with Jb3/V3 on stock baby turbos, your car will just make it to the end of warranty before those turbos go (but during this time, the fuel pump and wastegate issues MAY come as it is so common)

Look at the mitsu eclipse / talons, there turbos are quite small like ours and they cant last long with boost only up to 12/13psi

enjoy the car for what it is for now and say good bye when warranty is up

G-Mach1 · 10-21-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus99

Might be helpful if you link to that thread?

Here is the link,

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179976

It is always a known fact that the European cars cost a lot to fix. Especially the BMW's

ho_grayson · 10-21-2008, 03:01 PM

i guess you might be right about warranty issues. i spoke to bj bmw about warranty; they insist to have them installed dinan parts for 4yrs warranty otherwise the 4 yrs warranty is void. i have to pay 50 per hr extra to have them installed. i dont know if i could sell higher than regular e90 or not?

what do you think?

thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffE92TT

lol....dont even put the dinan parts...their warrant system sucks...you should ask the guys who have DINAN and have warranty issues...its not as advertised and theres still a chance you need to go thru so much (posting rants and making Dinan look bad) before you get your stuff fixed/paid thru Dinan...

and TURBO + BMW + keeping after warranty is a big no no..unless..you plan to upgrade to custom turbos and wastegate setup, lower the compression, change the pistons, get a fuel pump that doesnt have such a high failure rate (if that ever comes out lol)

enjoy the car for what it is for now and say good bye when warranty is up

CurlyFatAngry · 10-21-2008, 03:06 PM

I think it's a case by case thing. Some people had problems with their cars within a week of purchase others have been running a couple of years with zero issues. Just be prepared for the worst and hope for the best.

Lazzer · 10-21-2008, 11:13 PM

Keep it stock or untraceable and buy the BMW extended warrranty if you want to keep it that long. No use in buying the BMW extended warranty if you install Dinan because BMW won't warranty it after 4 years.

Or just dump it after 4 years and then no worries.

MechUT · 10-21-2008, 11:49 PM

Don't worry guys... I'll be your barometer.

My 330i was a demo, so it was obviously abused before I even got it.

I drive it rough often, follow the scheduled maintenance (24k between oil changes), and now have over 120k over the course of 2.5 years.

So far, everything has been peachy, save for one door that does not power "unlock"

BDMBimmer · 10-22-2008, 10:36 AM

Just get an extended warranty, you can wait right up to the last day in the 4 year term to buy it. I think it's about $2300 for an extra 3 years.

ians · 10-22-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BDMBimmer

Just get an extended warranty, you can wait right up to the last day in the 4 year term to buy it. I think it's about $2300 for an extra 3 years.

First the extended warranty is not from BMW, it is just 3rd party company that can go bankrupt ne time and BMW will not honour it at all. Second the $2300/3yr is a joke, it is not going to cover anything at all! I paid $4000 on my 00 328i and still not cover any electronic & emission related component! so almost 70% of the engine is not going to cover!

Inzane · 10-22-2008, 11:49 AM

Hmm... interesting topic.

I'm planning to buy an '09 E90 335i 6MT next year and have every intention of keeping it long term.

BDMBimmer · 10-22-2008, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ians

First the extended warranty is not from BMW, it is just 3rd party company that can go bankrupt ne time and BMW will not honour it at all. Second the $2300/3yr is a joke, it is not going to cover anything at all! I paid $4000 on my 00 328i and still not cover any electronic & emission related component! so almost 70% of the engine is not going to cover!

$4000 seems way too much. What company is it? My service manager and SA told me the one you can buy from BMW covers everything.

I have been quoted by a few companies to cover every component of the car for $3000-3100 for an extra 3 years so I would have a total of 7 years for warranty. This is for a 335xi with every option. One was Warranty Direct and they have been in business for 28yrs.

john335i · 10-23-2008, 12:43 PM

Take your $4000 and put it in a high interest savings account with ING. It's there when you need it and making money for you in the meantime....

ians · 10-23-2008, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDMBimmer

$4000 seems way too much. What company is it? My service manager and SA told me the one you can buy from BMW covers everything.

I have been quoted by a few companies to cover every component of the car for $3000-3100 for an extra 3 years so I would have a total of 7 years for warranty. This is for a 335xi with every option. One was Warranty Direct and they have been in business for 28yrs.

It is Autopia and I got it from T&C. The sales manager also told me that it will cover everything but when you go claim it, they will ask you to look at the fine print that all electronic & emission related component is considered wear & tear item.

Quote:

Originally Posted by john335i

Take your $4000 and put it in a high interest savings account with ING. It's there when you need it and making money for you in the meantime....

If I didn't pay that $4000 warranty, I have to paid $8G to replace the crappy tranny, $5G for the engine block, $3G to fix the crack on the subframe, $2G to replace the sunroof and also the nth times on replacing control arm, windows regulator & ignition coils... How about all the car rentals.... that $4G is worth every penny! But the best way is still never own a BMW after warranty!

picus · 10-23-2008, 12:58 PM

There is so much conjecture about this car it's really kind of interesting to see. People cite the fuel pumps and waste gates. Do you guys know that as far as initial and short term reliability go the 335i has actually been really, really good? Of course on forums we hear horror stories, but that's how it is on every forum. Hell, go to Club Lexus and you have guys complaining about their ES350s, which is historically an insanely reliable car.

I guess what I am saying is just because you had an issue doesn't mean the bulk of their cars will. Everyone has different anecdotal evidence. I had a Japanese car that was a pile of ass. I had a 2000 330xi that went to 251k km without a problem.

Right now there is, like, zero evidence that the N54/335i will be unreliable. In fact, quite the opposite.

Oh, and a fwiw - as cars get more complicated they get more expensive to repair. This holds true for all cars, not just German ones. Japanese cars are traditionally more reliable; but the cost for repairs is not significantly less than a German counterpart.

sparkyg · 10-23-2008, 01:50 PM

M3 S65 ftwmf!!

perfectg · 10-23-2008, 04:19 PM

I heard the same thing when I bought my RSX. Mine had no problems ever. Yet others had the third gear grind, and misc problems. Im keeping mine for the 3 yr minimum, then I might be able to afford the M3 or M5 lol

jeho · 10-23-2008, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perfectg

I heard the same thing when I bought my RSX. Mine had no problems ever. Yet others had the third gear grind, and misc problems. Im keeping mine for the 3 yr minimum, then I might be able to afford the M3 or M5 lol

My RSX had the 2nd and 3rd gear grind...I got use to it..also the 3rd gear popout on its own when i was driving it hard

The RSX had no known drivetrain/engine problem what so ever, it was N/A PWRed

But we cant really compare that problem to the wastegate/fuel/turbo pump as these things will affect your car from moving....

perfectg · 10-23-2008, 10:37 PM

^troof, but im not worried

Bimmer Al · 01-03-2009, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MechUT

Don't worry guys... I'll be your barometer.

My 330i was a demo, so it was obviously abused before I even got it.

I drive it rough often, follow the scheduled maintenance (24k between oil changes), and now have over 120k over the course of 2.5 years.

So far, everything has been peachy, save for one door that does not power "unlock"

Is this mostly highway kms? Quite a few to pack into 2.5 years. Good to hear the car has been solid

9PointStar · 01-03-2009, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by picus

There is so much conjecture about this car it's really kind of interesting to see. People cite the fuel pumps and waste gates. Do you guys know that as far as initial and short term reliability go the 335i has actually been really, really good? Of course on forums we hear horror stories, but that's how it is on every forum. Hell, go to Club Lexus and you have guys complaining about their ES350s, which is historically an insanely reliable car.

I guess what I am saying is just because you had an issue doesn't mean the bulk of their cars will. Everyone has different anecdotal evidence. I had a Japanese car that was a pile of ass. I had a 2000 330xi that went to 251k km without a problem.

Right now there is, like, zero evidence that the N54/335i will be unreliable. In fact, quite the opposite.

Oh, and a fwiw - as cars get more complicated they get more expensive to repair. This holds true for all cars, not just German ones. Japanese cars are traditionally more reliable; but the cost for repairs is not significantly less than a German counterpart.

Picus hit the nail on the head! Problems to a vehicle are based car-by-car. It is ignorant to generalize that because a problem that occurred to one specific vehicle will occur on every model that manufacturer produces! There are a lot of different variables that must be taken into consideration when assessing whether a car is reliable or not, not just past reputation, although that is an important one.

Extended warranties are peace of mind, sometimes they pay off and sometimes they dont. As an ex business manager at a car dealership, please be aware of what you are purchasing!!! Read the fine print, go to the companies website, do some research and for God sake, DO NOT listen to what the dealership tells you!!! They will tell you AND convince you a cow can do back flips if there is money involved for them! Thats just the nature of a car dealership.

In the end, a car will need to be taken care of and maintained. It has a useful life, and that all depends on how you treat it and how you maintain it. Enjoy it while you can and don't expect it to last forever.

Luongo · 01-04-2009, 06:44 PM

$4,000 for extended warranty + $1,700 for extended maintenance.

Better to trade-in the out of warranty vehicle and get into a low mileage used vehicle. That's exactly what I did.

I got out of an '06 330i with 49,750 miles and bought a '07 Porsche Cayman with 22,000 miles. I paid $14,000 for the difference.

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jeho ig: jeffersonho 156 Rep 2,187 Posts Drives: E90M3.E36M3 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: PNW iTrader: (6)	lol....dont even put the dinan parts...their warranty system is for up sale yet not 100% backed up guaranteed...you should ask the guys who have DINAN and have warranty issues...its not as advertised and theres still a chance you need to go thru so much (posting rants and making Dinan look bad) before you get your stuff fixed/paid thru Dinan...and chance that they may just refund u for your dinan flash (not labor and not fix the problem) TURBO vehicles in general don't last without rebuild and upgrades.. BMW 335i Turbo known to have so many issues such as fuel pump and wastegate... If you up the pressure on these baby turbos, the life is certainly not going to be long. My guess is that with Jb3/V3 on stock baby turbos, your car will just make it to the end of warranty before those turbos go (but during this time, the fuel pump and wastegate issues MAY come as it is so common) Look at the mitsu eclipse / talons, there turbos are quite small like ours and they cant last long with boost only up to 12/13psi enjoy the car for what it is for now and say good bye when warranty is up __________________ E36 M3 on TE37SL E90 M3 on TE37SL http://instagram.com/jeffersonho
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Lazzer The Specialist 5 Rep 336 Posts Drives: E90/335i, E70/4.8 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC iTrader: (1)	Keep it stock or untraceable and buy the BMW extended warrranty if you want to keep it that long. No use in buying the BMW extended warranty if you install Dinan because BMW won't warranty it after 4 years. Or just dump it after 4 years and then no worries.
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MechUT Captain 17 Rep 854 Posts Drives: 06 SG 330i Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mississauga iTrader: (0) Garage List 2012 BMW 335i [0.00]	Don't worry guys... I'll be your barometer. My 330i was a demo, so it was obviously abused before I even got it. I drive it rough often, follow the scheduled maintenance (24k between oil changes), and now have over 120k over the course of 2.5 years. So far, everything has been peachy, save for one door that does not power "unlock"
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BDMBimmer First Lieutenant 19 Rep 319 Posts Drives: 2008 3 series Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada iTrader: (1)	Just get an extended warranty, you can wait right up to the last day in the 4 year term to buy it. I think it's about $2300 for an extra 3 years.
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Inzane Lieutenant 25 Rep 443 Posts Drives: E90 LCI 335i Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Edmonton, Alberta iTrader: (0)	Hmm... interesting topic. I'm planning to buy an '09 E90 335i 6MT next year and have every intention of keeping it long term.
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john335i Master of Everything I See 9 Rep 138 Posts Drives: Carbon Black 535xi Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Newmarket iTrader: (0)	Take your $4000 and put it in a high interest savings account with ING. It's there when you need it and making money for you in the meantime....
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picus Brigadier General 127 Rep 4,172 Posts Drives: e92 SG 335i Coupe Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto, ON iTrader: (0)	There is so much conjecture about this car it's really kind of interesting to see. People cite the fuel pumps and waste gates. Do you guys know that as far as initial and short term reliability go the 335i has actually been really, really good? Of course on forums we hear horror stories, but that's how it is on every forum. Hell, go to Club Lexus and you have guys complaining about their ES350s, which is historically an insanely reliable car. I guess what I am saying is just because you had an issue doesn't mean the bulk of their cars will. Everyone has different anecdotal evidence. I had a Japanese car that was a pile of ass. I had a 2000 330xi that went to 251k km without a problem. Right now there is, like, zero evidence that the N54/335i will be unreliable. In fact, quite the opposite. Oh, and a fwiw - as cars get more complicated they get more expensive to repair. This holds true for all cars, not just German ones. Japanese cars are traditionally more reliable; but the cost for repairs is not significantly less than a German counterpart.
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perfectg I pwn u 15 Rep 840 Posts Drives: 2012 Audi Q5 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vancouver, BC iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 335i [0.00]	I heard the same thing when I bought my RSX. Mine had no problems ever. Yet others had the third gear grind, and misc problems. Im keeping mine for the 3 yr minimum, then I might be able to afford the M3 or M5 lol
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perfectg I pwn u 15 Rep 840 Posts Drives: 2012 Audi Q5 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vancouver, BC iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 335i [0.00]	^troof, but im not worried
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Luongo Lieutenant 138 Rep 463 Posts Drives: 2018 Porsche Carrera T Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago, Illinois iTrader: (2)	$4,000 for extended warranty + $1,700 for extended maintenance. Better to trade-in the out of warranty vehicle and get into a low mileage used vehicle. That's exactly what I did. I got out of an '06 330i with 49,750 miles and bought a '07 Porsche Cayman with 22,000 miles. I paid $14,000 for the difference.
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