[bmw_solid]

Hi All,

Hope you are well.

I have a working copy of INPA for my 2008 E92 330d SE M57.

I am able to read and erase error codes but to erase engine error codes I have to click E89 > Automatic Engine Selector > then it goes to the screen.

If I click on E90 > Engine I have options DDE 5.0 and DDE 6 for M57 but don't have the engine type M57 option, which means I can't carry out functions like smooth running control, injector coding, MAF control etc.

Please see attached picture of my engine options after clicking on E90:

What could be the reason for this? Am I missing a file or something?

[dpaul]

I have no personal diesel experience but as far as I am aware you, DDE defines the type of ECU provided with your engine.

You've two options for the M57, DDE 5 (Bosch EDC15) and DDE 6 (Bosch EDC16). There is also a DDE 7 (Bosch EDC17), not in your list. They are all pretty similar.

I believe DDE 6 was used on M57 engines after 2005 so that's probably the pne you want. Could be wrong about that.

[bmw_solid]

Originally Posted by dpaul

I have no personal diesel experience but as far as I am aware you, DDE defines the type of ECU provided with your engine.

You've two options for the M57, DDE 5 (Bosch EDC15) and DDE 6 (Bosch EDC16). There is also a DDE 7 (Bosch EDC17), not in your list. They are all pretty similar.

I believe DDE 6 was used on M57 engines after 2005 so that's probably the pne you want. Could be wrong about that.

Thanks for your response.

I understand that to access the smooth running control page we have to first click E90 > Select Engine Type > Select F9 Systemdiagnosen > Shift+F4 (injector something...)

Now, When I last checked in DDE 5 and DDE 6, I didn't see option F9 Systemdiagnosen there... Is this option supposed to be under DDE 5 or DDE 6 for the M57 engine type?

Thanks.

[dpaul]

Originally Posted by bmw_solid

Thanks for your response.

I understand that to access the smooth running control page we have to first click E90 > Select Engine Type > Select F9 Systemdiagnosen > Shift+F4 (injector something...)

Now, When I last checked in DDE 5 and DDE 6, I didn't see option F9 Systemdiagnosen there... Is this option supposed to be under DDE 5 or DDE 6 for the M57 engine type?

Thanks.

That would be the command flow for MSD80/81 (Engine type->F9 Systemdiagnosen ->Shift F4 EOL Injektormengenabgleich.) But that would be for injector coding, not the smooth running display.

To get to the MSD80 smooth running data (aka rough running aka RU-measuring aka sm-measuring aka Laufunruhe) from the main engine menu select F6 Read Status -> F6 or F7 depending

No idea where this function is for M57, sorry

[bmw_solid]

Originally Posted by dpaul

That would be the command flow for MSD80/81 (Engine type->F9 Systemdiagnosen ->Shift F4 EOL Injektormengenabgleich.) But that would be for injector coding, not the smooth running display.

To get to the MSD80 smooth running data (aka rough running aka RU-measuring aka sm-measuring aka Laufunruhe) from the main engine menu select F6 Read Status -> F6 or F7 depending

No idea where this function is for M57, sorry

My bad...I was not paying attention and was getting mixed up with injector coding as I thought the smooth running section is part of the injector coding page.

Ok, I will have a look for F6 Read Status hoping it would be there for the M57.... I have 2 routes to get access to the engine ECU... 1) either via DDE 5 or DDE 6 under E90 OR 2) E89 > Automatic Engine Selector... I will have a look for F6 Read Status in these sections...I have a vague memory of seeing something along the lines of 'Read Status' after clicking on E89 > Automatic Engine Selector. Will confirm this soon when I next check the car.


Thanks for providing clarifications as I was really struggling to find out how to access the smooth running display because I was not able to find any videos or info on Google either!

After I enter the smooth running data screen, does it also display the MAF or is there a separate menu to access the MAF data? Also, does the smooth running control have a option to check the EGR? Or is it just the injectors and MAF that can be checked there?

Thanks.

[dpaul]

Originally Posted by bmw_solid

My bad...I was not paying attention and was getting mixed up with injector coding as I thought the smooth running section is part of the injector coding page.

Ok, I will have a look for F6 Read Status hoping it would be there for the M57.... I have 2 routes to get access to the engine ECU... 1) either via DDE 5 or DDE 6 under E90 OR 2) E89 > Automatic Engine Selector... I will have a look for F6 Read Status in these sections...I have a vague memory of seeing something along the lines of 'Read Status' after clicking on E89 > Automatic Engine Selector. Will confirm this soon when I next check the car.


Thanks for providing clarifications as I was really struggling to find out how to access the smooth running display because I was not able to find any videos or info on Google either!

After I enter the smooth running data screen, does it also display the MAF or is there a separate menu to access the MAF data? Also, does the smooth running control have a option to check the EGR? Or is it just the injectors and MAF that can be checked there?

Thanks.

Many real-time parameters can be viewed under the various Read Status menus - there will be options to select two or three submenus for analog and digital values - for most gasoline engines, MAF will be under one of the analog value screens. EGR will have it's own menu, perhaps "exhaust gas".

But I really don't know where BMW might have put MAF for the M57 because if I remember correctly, it does not use MAF for fueling, only for EGR calculation. So MAF might be on the EGR screen

Although the N54 engine (MSD80 DME) does not have an EGR valve (EGR is accomplished by the VANOS subsystem) there is a menu option for "exhaust gas" - I think F6 is exhaust gas and F7 is smooth running. But again, I have no specific knowledge of how INPA is set up for the M57.

[bmw_solid]

Originally Posted by dpaul

Many real-time parameters can be viewed under the various Read Status menus - there will be options to select two or three submenus for analog and digital values - for most gasoline engines, MAF will be under one of the analog value screens. EGR will have it's own menu, perhaps "exhaust gas".

But I really don't know where BMW might have put MAF for the M57 because if I remember correctly, it does not use MAF for fueling, only for EGR calculation. So MAF might be on the EGR screen

Although the N54 engine (MSD80 DME) does not have an EGR valve (EGR is accomplished by the VANOS subsystem) there is a menu option for "exhaust gas" - I think F6 is exhaust gas and F7 is smooth running. But again, I have no specific knowledge of how INPA is set up for the M57.

Ok, understood and thanks for providing this in-depth information. I will hav a look around on the net for some more info on how to access the menu for the M57 unit.

Thanks.

[bmw_solid]

Just one more question: can I have the engine on when inpa is connected to the car in order to do the smooth running control check? Or do I have to keep ignition on, enter smooth running control page then start engine?

Hoping to do this tomorrow.

Thanks.

[dpaul]

Originally Posted by bmw_solid

Just one more question: can I have the engine on when inpa is connected to the car in order to do the smooth running control check? Or do I have to keep ignition on, enter smooth running control page then start engine?

Hoping to do this tomorrow.

Thanks.

Yes, you can have the engine running when INPA is being connected

[lnxguy]

You need the FXX INPA files for DDE7.3

Read this.

https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1206390

[dpaul]

Originally Posted by lnxguy

You need the FXX INPA files for DDE7.3

Read this.

https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1206390

You're probably right but it might depend on the date of production for the OP's vehicle, described as 2008 330d

Again, I'm no expert but I've read that somewhere in mid-2008 DDE 6 was replaced with DDE 7 on M57D30TU2 and the N57D30O0 was introduced. Maybe having to do with the exclusion of MY 2007-8 diesels from US market because of emission issues?

OP, if you're not sure you should be able to query DDE type using INPA

[bmw_solid]

Originally Posted by dpaul

Yes, you can have the engine running when INPA is being connected

Ok, thats good to know.

[bmw_solid]

Originally Posted by lnxguy

You need the FXX INPA files for DDE7.3

Read this.

https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1206390

I've come across this thread before but couldn't really understand all the info at the time...will have another look to see if my car comes under this...

[bmw_solid]

Originally Posted by dpaul

You're probably right but it might depend on the date of production for the OP's vehicle, described as 2008 330d

Again, I'm no expert but I've read that somewhere in mid-2008 DDE 6 was replaced with DDE 7 on M57D30TU2 and the N57D30O0 was introduced. Maybe having to do with the exclusion of MY 2007-8 diesels from US market because of emission issues?

OP, if you're not sure you should be able to query DDE type using INPA

I'm not sure either but I certainly don't have DDE 7 on my INPA unfortunately...

Just remembered whilst typing this....Inxguy mentioned to have a look at the linked thread in his post. The OP in that linked thread was trying to register his new battery hence was asking . I am able to do this in my INPA as I replaced my battery last year and registered new battery fine. So maybe this means that I don't need DDE 7.3 for my specific car?

[dpaul]

Originally Posted by bmw_solid

I'm not sure either but I certainly don't have DDE 7 on my INPA unfortunately...

Just remembered whilst typing this....Inxguy mentioned to have a look at the linked thread in his post. The OP in that linked thread was trying to register his new battery hence was asking . I am able to do this in my INPA as I replaced my battery last year and registered new battery fine. So maybe this means that I don't need DDE 7.3 for my specific car?

Open INPA, ->E89, ->engine, ->DDE 6 (or 5, doesn't matter), ->IDENT (F2). Post the "Hardware number".

With the hardware number (which is actually the file name of the program code file), I can look up what your DDE actually is.

IDENT is what you want - if you choose INFO it will just tell you DDE 6 or whatever you chose for the engine type initially.

Alternatively, just open the ECU compartment, partially slide out the DME and read the label.

[bmw_solid]

Originally Posted by dpaul

Open INPA, ->E89, ->engine, ->DDE 6 (or 5, doesn't matter), ->IDENT (F2). Post the "Hardware number".

With the hardware number (which is actually the file name of the program code file), I can look up what your DDE actually is.

IDENT is what you want - if you choose INFO it will just tell you DDE 6 or whatever you chose for the engine type initially.

Alternatively, just open the ECU compartment, partially slide out the DME and read the label.

Ok, will check this very soon and post the information.

[gbalthrop]

Since INPA can do SO MUCH, most Power-Users, such as "dpaul" probably seldom use the basics of "Functional Jobs", to:
1) Use "F2" to identify the SGBD or Variant of each of the Modules in your Vehicle;
2) Use "F4" to quickly see ANY Fault Codes in ANY of the ~ 20 Modules in your Vehicle.

Functional Jobs > F2 Identification will quickly identify the Variant/SGBD of each module. That INCLUDES the DDE (Diesel Engine) or DME (Gasoline Engine) Variant. The SGBD is the 4th column of the F2 Identification Screen. It is also helpful for connecting to the correct Module for other systems.

I would urge EVERYONE using INPA to save that F2 Identification Screen for future reference. Detailed instructions for HOW to SAVE INPA ScreenPrints, as JPG Image Files, are found in the attached "INPA Tutorial Quickstart" pdf, which contains example ScreenPrints, "SavedAs" jpg files. You can attach those JPG files HERE instead of taking photos of your computer screen.

Likewise in two minutes or less, you can see what modules have Fault Codes, using Functional Jobs > F4 Fault Memory, ALL Modules. You THEN need to connect to the Specific Module (DME, CAS, FRM, etc.) that you need to get more DETAILS from.

Those Details include Fault Code Definitions, Freeze Frame Data, Fault Details such as whether the Fault is currently present or not, whether the Fault would light a warning lamp, etc. You can also view "Live Data" (F5), and do Activations (F6) of motors, solenoids, etc. Using those tools you can test INPUTS to the Module, and test OUTPUTS (Triggered by INPA) from the Module to the Motor, Solenoid, etc.

For those of us who are NOT bi-lingual (Parlez-vous 'amerikanese' ;-) Google Translate does a good job of translating German to English or whatever. Many of the German Terms are repetitive, so if you create a short "cheat sheet", you can do well. Those 3-letter German Abbreviations present some issues however, though some are found in ISTA "Abbreviations".
https://translate.google.com/?sl=de&tl=en&op=translate

George

[bmw_solid]

Originally Posted by dpaul

Open INPA, ->E89, ->engine, ->DDE 6 (or 5, doesn't matter), ->IDENT (F2). Post the "Hardware number".

With the hardware number (which is actually the file name of the program code file), I can look up what your DDE actually is.

IDENT is what you want - if you choose INFO it will just tell you DDE 6 or whatever you chose for the engine type initially.

Alternatively, just open the ECU compartment, partially slide out the DME and read the label.

Thanks to your help I was able to see the smooth running control for the first time on this car!

I basically selected DDE 6 for M57TU2 and then F5 and then select 'selective mass adjustment' and thankfully all 6 injectors seemed round about the same and all within the green zone...

Not sure about the MAF though...I then went back and selected 'analogue values 1' and the MAF (air-mass) reading was 44.39 (kg/h). Now I also looked at the 'air intake temperature' which said 41.35 degrees Celsius! This is obviously wrong as its about 8 degrees Celsius right now! I remember reading on a UK BMW forum where a member said that sometimes INPA is not fully compatible with certain models and if the air intake temperature is off then most likely the air mass reading is also off??

The rest of the analogue values seemed to be fine: engine speed = 676, batt voltage = 14.4, engine temp = 93.95 so it looks like only the air intake temp and air mass reading could be off? Not sure and correct me if wrong.

I forgot the get the Hardware number totally. But hopefully we shouldn't need this now that I have got access to the smooth running control etc?

[bmw_solid]

Originally Posted by gbalthrop

Since INPA can do SO MUCH, most Power-Users, such as "dpaul" probably seldom use the basics of "Functional Jobs", to:
1) Use "F2" to identify the SGBD or Variant of each of the Modules in your Vehicle;
2) Use "F4" to quickly see ANY Fault Codes in ANY of the ~ 20 Modules in your Vehicle.

Functional Jobs > F2 Identification will quickly identify the Variant/SGBD of each module. That INCLUDES the DDE (Diesel Engine) or DME (Gasoline Engine) Variant. The SGBD is the 4th column of the F2 Identification Screen. It is also helpful for connecting to the correct Module for other systems.

I would urge EVERYONE using INPA to save that F2 Identification Screen for future reference. Detailed instructions for HOW to SAVE INPA ScreenPrints, as JPG Image Files, are found in the attached "INPA Tutorial Quickstart" pdf, which contains example ScreenPrints, "SavedAs" jpg files. You can attach those JPG files HERE instead of taking photos of your computer screen.

Likewise in two minutes or less, you can see what modules have Fault Codes, using Functional Jobs > F4 Fault Memory, ALL Modules. You THEN need to connect to the Specific Module (DME, CAS, FRM, etc.) that you need to get more DETAILS from.

Those Details include Fault Code Definitions, Freeze Frame Data, Fault Details such as whether the Fault is currently present or not, whether the Fault would light a warning lamp, etc. You can also view "Live Data" (F5), and do Activations (F6) of motors, solenoids, etc. Using those tools you can test INPUTS to the Module, and test OUTPUTS (Triggered by INPA) from the Module to the Motor, Solenoid, etc.

For those of us who are NOT bi-lingual (Parlez-vous 'amerikanese' ;-) Google Translate does a good job of translating German to English or whatever. Many of the German Terms are repetitive, so if you create a short "cheat sheet", you can do well. Those 3-letter German Abbreviations present some issues however, though some are found in ISTA "Abbreviations".
https://translate.google.com/?sl=de&tl=en&op=translate

George

Thanks for your advice - the more the better for people who haven't used INPA a lot like me.

You mention to select F4 > Functional Jobs then connect to the specific module e.g. DDE...Isn't this the same as selecting E90 > Engine Type > F4 Read Error Memory to check the errors on the DDE?

Also, you mention to select F5 > F6 to do activation of various solenoids/ motors etc... would this part of INPA also have a test to check if the engine mount vacuum pressure charge valve is working? I have a slight shake/vibration on idle only (regardless of gear position, auto transmission) and thinking it could be due to an issue with the pressure charge valve not doing the vacuum business properly...

[dpaul]

Originally Posted by bmw_solid

Thanks to your help I was able to see the smooth running control for the first time on this car!

I basically selected DDE 6 for M57TU2 and then F5 and then select 'selective mass adjustment' and thankfully all 6 injectors seemed round about the same and all within the green zone...

Not sure about the MAF though...I then went back and selected 'analogue values 1' and the MAF (air-mass) reading was 44.39 (kg/h). Now I also looked at the 'air intake temperature' which said 41.35 degrees Celsius! This is obviously wrong as its about 8 degrees Celsius right now! I remember reading on a UK BMW forum where a member said that sometimes INPA is not fully compatible with certain models and if the air intake temperature is off then most likely the air mass reading is also off??

The rest of the analogue values seemed to be fine: engine speed = 676, batt voltage = 14.4, engine temp = 93.95 so it looks like only the air intake temp and air mass reading could be off? Not sure and correct me if wrong.

I forgot the get the Hardware number totally. But hopefully we shouldn't need this now that I have got access to the smooth running control etc?

I think obtaining the hardware number is still a very very good idea. You still don't know if you have an M57TU, M57TU2 or M57N2. You may be using the wrong engine selection and in fact might need the DDE 7 files for INPA. There is nothing like knowing for certain.

I don't know why your air intake temperature reading is off or frankly, if it is off. Why not start by making sure you are using the correct INPA selection.

[bmw_solid]

Originally Posted by dpaul

I think obtaining the hardware number is still a very very good idea. You still don't know if you have an M57TU, M57TU2 or M57N2. You may be using the wrong engine selection and in fact might need the DDE 7 files for INPA. There is nothing like knowing for certain.

I don't know why your air intake temperature reading is off or frankly, if it is off. Why not start by making sure you are using the correct INPA selection.

I think I have a M57TU2 because when I entered my licence plate number into Castrol's oil finder page, it came up with engine M57TU2, so I'm assuming they are correct on their database?

I will however get the hardware number when I next connect INPA to my car, could be a couple of days before I get a chance to do this so bear with me.

[dpaul]

Originally Posted by bmw_solid

I think I have a M57TU2 because when I entered my licence plate number into Castrol's oil finder page, it came up with engine M57TU2, so I'm assuming they are correct on their database?

I will however get the hardware number when I next connect INPA to my car, could be a couple of days before I get a chance to do this so bear with me.

Painful experience has taught me not to make assumptions, particularly those based on third-party lists of compatibility.