[DrewKo]

I know this video is a repost:
http://www.webridestv.com/videos/bmw...stock-m3-79736

But, why did the Dinan perform so poorly in the 1/4? I mean, if I paid that much for all of the Dinan upgrades and ran a 13ish in the quarter, I would want my money back. This is not a post to knock Dinan, just more of statement that I am puzzled by the poor 1/4 time in this video.

[superlubricity]

Originally Posted by DrewKo

I know this video is a repost:
http://www.webridestv.com/videos/bmw...stock-m3-79736

But, why did the Dinan perform so poorly in the 1/4? I mean, if I paid that much for all of the Dinan upgrades and ran a 13ish in the quarter, I would want my money back. This is not a post to knock Dinan, just more of statement that I am puzzled by the poor 1/4 time in this video.

Both cars ran poorly in this "particular test". Don't get caught up in these absolute numbers but the difference between them, which was a mere 1/10th; too bad they never mention the MPH.

A stock M3 can run 12.7 @ 112 MPH.

[Sniz]

I'd say they need the driver mod

[jbttum3]

Originally Posted by Sniz

I'd say they need the driver mod

+1

and yes this is a

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by superlubricity

Both cars ran poorly in this "particular test". Don't get caught up in these absolute numbers but the difference between them, which was a mere 1/10th; too bad they never mention the MPH.

A stock M3 can run 12.7 @ 112 MPH.

Yeah, with a perfect launch. I think if this were the norm, then there wouldn't be 80% of tuned 335i's walking stock M3's..and so far, that seems to be the norm.

[roadkillrob]

As much as I love my 335 and as well as it will perform with a chip, why would anyone spend the money on a Dinan Stage 3 setup on the 335 when you can buy the M3 for pretty much the same money and have an M3 in the the end!

[darkphantom]

Originally Posted by roadkillrob

As much as I love my 335 and as well as it will perform with a chip, why would anyone spend the money on a Dinan Stage 3 setup on the 335 when you can buy the M3 for pretty much the same money and have an M3 in the the end!

I agree, if I had the extra cash at the time, I would have jumped on an E93 M3...but I got a good deal on mine, and the E93 M3 that I wanted was easily 75k....that is 997s territory

[OverDrive]

Originally Posted by roadkillrob

As much as I love my 335 and as well as it will perform with a chip, why would anyone spend the money on a Dinan Stage 3 setup on the 335 when you can buy the M3 for pretty much the same money and have an M3 in the the end!

+1

[Kev]

Originally Posted by roadkillrob

As much as I love my 335 and as well as it will perform with a chip, why would anyone spend the money on a Dinan Stage 3 setup on the 335 when you can buy the M3 for pretty much the same money and have an M3 in the the end!

Especially for an i, you can still argue that you need AWD in the winter so you opt for the xi with a good tune / power upgrade over the M3

[superlubricity]

Originally Posted by roadkillrob

As much as I love my 335 and as well as it will perform with a chip, why would anyone spend the money on a Dinan Stage 3 setup on the 335 when you can buy the M3 for pretty much the same money and have an M3 in the the end!

The Stage 3 Tune, FMIC and Oil Cooler cost me $5089 + installation.

It's certainly pricey but no where near the difference between a loaded 335i and a loaded M3. I also didn't want the higher insurance payment, the poor fuel economy or, at the time, the higher financing rate of the M3.

Personal choice in the end.

[Orb]

Originally Posted by roadkillrob

As much as I love my 335 and as well as it will perform with a chip, why would anyone spend the money on a Dinan Stage 3 setup on the 335 when you can buy the M3 for pretty much the same money and have an M3 in the the end!

The Dinan stage III kills a M3 on the track with very little effort. It not even contest as the M3 never gets decent exit speed.

Orb

[roadkillrob]

Originally Posted by superlubricity

The Stage 3 Tune, FMIC and Oil Cooler cost me $5089 + installation.

It's certainly pricey but no where near the difference between a loaded 335i and a loaded M3. I also didn't want the higher insurance payment, the poor fuel economy or, at the time, the higher financing rate of the M3.

Personal choice in the end.

But you didn't get the suspension to get you to M3 handling territory on the track, to do that, you need the S2 package for a jaw dropping $11k, now your in M3 territory with only 15k between the 2 cars base (and the M3 coming with a little more for the base price).

42k + 11K + 3K for M-sport bumpers = 56K - M3 - 57k - even if I can make my 335 as fast as an M3 - I would still buy the M3 over a Dinan S2, the M3 is just a different animal, but it doesn't mean it isn't fun to stick on a JB3 and scare M3 guys that paid 15 grand more!

[superlubricity]

Originally Posted by roadkillrob

But you didn't get the suspension to get you to M3 handling territory on the track, to do that, you need the S2 package for a jaw dropping $11k, now your in M3 territory with only 15k between the 2 cars base (and the M3 coming with a little more for the base price).

42k + 11K + 3K for M-sport bumpers = 56K - M3 - 57k - even if I can make my 335 as fast as an M3 - I would still buy the M3 over a Dinan S2, the M3 is just a different animal, but it doesn't mean it isn't fun to stick on a JB3 and scare M3 guys that paid 15 grand more!

The OP's post was very specific and asked about the 1/4 mile time. My reply was with that in mind.

Anyhow, Stage 3 suspension was only $2000 after the 20% rebate Dinan offered last month. All the S2 really includes is Stage 3 Tune, OC, IC and the Stage 3 Suspension.

Related to the car in the video: No need for the $5K+ wheel package in my opinion. Awesome wheels, but not my taste.

BTW, I actually run the Stage 1 suspension on my car; I'm very happy with the performance. I didn't see the need for sways at this time. Maybe I'll bite when they go on sale again.

Again, personal choice. Enjoy your car; great combo!

[superlubricity]

Originally Posted by superlubricity

A stock M3 can run 12.7 @ 112 MPH.

Originally Posted by sflgator

Yeah, with a perfect launch. I think if this were the norm, then there wouldn't be 80% of tuned 335i's walking stock M3's..and so far, that seems to be the norm.

M3Post member -> http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183246
M-DCT -> http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=7178
Both -> http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ive/index.html

I stopped searching after I found three close to the 12.7 @ 112 I posted.

Just data on the internet. Take it with a grain of salt.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by superlubricity

M3Post member -> http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183246
M-DCT -> http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=7178
Both -> http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ive/index.html

I stopped searching after I found three close to the 12.7 @ 112 I posted.

Just data on the internet. Take it with a grain of salt.

Bench racing via car mags with professional drivers (who test drive cars everyday as their career) is not a fair comparison. What I said was many tuned 335i's (with average, not professional drivers) are running and easily beating E90/92 M3's (with average, not professional drivers) on the street. Haven't you ever wondered why most car mag car test times cannot be duplicated by the "average Joe" driving the same car on the street?

Just pose your question to the members of E90Post who drive tuned 335i's and have run with new M3s; then, you'll have more accurate "everyday" (street run) data. I can't even count how many "M3 kill" (by tuned 335i) stories there are on E90Post.com.

[M.A.C.K.]

I put car lengths on the new m3 and this was from a roll.........

[superlubricity]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Bench racing via car mags with professional drivers (who test drive cars everyday as their career) is not a fair comparison. What I said was many tuned 335i's (with average, not professional drivers) are running and easily beating E90/92 M3's (with average, not professional drivers) on the street. Haven't you ever wondered why most car mag car test times cannot be duplicated by the "average Joe" driving the same car on the street?

Just pose your question to the members of E90Post who drive tuned 335i's and have run with new M3s; then, you'll have more accurate "everyday" (street run) data. I can't even count how many "M3 kill" (by tuned 335i) stories there are on E90Post.com.

I think you missed the part where I wrote, "Just data on the internet. Take it with a grain of salt."

Seems we agree a bit in principal, even if you ignored the first post of the Average Joe running 114 MPH in is 6MT M3.

Cheers

BTW, love the SG coupe. I looked at quite a few photos online before choosing my combo. Yours was certainly amongst those "inspiring" me.

[David 12]

Plus, the last time I looked on the m3 forum it appeared the m3's are not moving off the dealer lots. I think very good deals are available which would make them more attractive.

I could see a strategy of offering a low price on an m3 and if the dealer doesn't bite, walk away with the 335i and know you will be extremely happy (especially with the addition of a tune.)

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by superlubricity

I think you missed the part where I wrote, "Just data on the internet. Take it with a grain of salt."

Seems we agree a bit in principal, even if you ignored the first post of the Average Joe running 114 MPH in is 6MT M3.

Cheers

BTW, love the SG coupe. I looked at quite a few photos online before choosing my combo. Yours was certainly amongst those "inspiring" me.

Thank you; unfortunately, I found out that for some unknown reason, BMW decided to not offer SG for the '09 335i. I'm holding our for a MY '10 to get another 335i (w/ 7-speed DCT????) so maybe they'll offer SG again; otherwise, I may get the Sapphire Black.