[moveswiftly]

Just wanted to see if you guys think BSW stage 1 is any better than the Logic 7 Stock option. I declined logic 7 with my 325xi and have the basic sound system and was looking for an upgrade for nice sounding audio + subwoofer for bass. Any Reviews or experiences?

[canucklion]

I don't get this thread. Why are you comparing Logic 7 with BSW 1 if you're looking to upgrade your stock system? It's not going to be easy to upgrade to Logic 7 after the fact, you'll have to get new rear door panels...etc etc. With the money you spend on getting all the parts to convert your car into Logic7, you're better off just going with BSW1.

[moveswiftly]

I'm not looking to convert my sound system to Logic 7
I'm looking to see how it is in comparison to Logic 7.

Originally Posted by canucklion

I don't get this thread. Why are you comparing Logic 7 with BSW 1 if you're looking to upgrade your stock system? It's not going to be easy to upgrade to Logic 7 after the fact, you'll have to get new rear door panels...etc etc. With the money you spend on getting all the parts to convert your car into Logic7, you're better off just going with BSW1.

[Technic]

Originally Posted by chesterfan1230

Just wanted to see if you guys think BSW stage 1 is any better than the Logic 7 Stock option. I declined logic 7 with my 325xi and have the basic sound system and was looking for an upgrade for nice sounding audio + subwoofer for bass. Any Reviews or experiences?

You are comparing an apple with an apple pie... BSW Stage 1 are just speakers, Logic7 is a complete sound system.

[yunus]

for the money you will spend on l7 you will get a much better aftermarket installation !!

[Tobias1980]

Originally Posted by yunus

for the money you will spend on l7 you will get a much better aftermarket installation !!

No way, evidence please!

[Rotary Rasp]

Originally Posted by yunus

for the money you will spend on l7 you will get a much better aftermarket installation !!

I disagree.

[Malek@MRF]

Originally Posted by yunus

for the money you will spend on l7 you will get a much better aftermarket installation !!

Sorry, but thats a big no. I hope you were joking..

A decent set of front components alone will cost 400+..

[Technic]

Originally Posted by Malekreza11

Sorry, but thats a big no. I hope you were joking..

A decent set of front components alone will cost 400+..

Let's see... current Logic7 option price is $825 in the USA (used to be $1200):

- Blaupunkt THA555 PnP amp = $299
- SWS-8 (2) = $200
- OEM Individual Audio 4" drivers and crossovers (front pair) = $330
- CDT Audio TW25 silk tweeters (front pair) = $50 (brand new, open box)

That's $880 for a system that will have better clarity and volume than the Logic7, and that's while leaving the OEM rear speakers in place.

Optional...

- OEM Individual Audio coaxial drivers (2 for rear and one for center channel): $333
- CDT Audio CS-256 CenterStage module: $70 (to drive the center speaker off the amp front channels)

So for some $1300 ($100 over the old Logic7 option price) this will definitely put the Logic7 behind in sound quality and volume.

[yunus]

well there we go , anybody disagree with technic ??

i went the simple way, swopped out my stock speakers for infinity ref coaxials,
put in my 50x4 sounstream amp on the weekend , left the stock subs, and i am a happy camper, sounds better than expected , i dont even think i want the sws8 anymore, but thats just me

total cost in us dollars $250

bmw dealer is offering alpine upgrade here with installation for around $800
do you think thats money well spent ?

[Malek@MRF]

Originally Posted by Technic

Let's see... current Logic7 option price is $825 in the USA (used to be $1200):

- Blaupunkt THA555 PnP amp = $299
- SWS-8 (2) = $200
- OEM Individual Audio 4" drivers and crossovers (front pair) = $330
- CDT Audio TW25 silk tweeters (front pair) = $50 (brand new, open box)

That's $880 for a system that will have better clarity and volume than the Logic7, and that's while leaving the OEM rear speakers in place.

Optional...

- OEM Individual Audio coaxial drivers (2 for rear and one for center channel): $333
- CDT Audio CS-256 CenterStage module: $70 (to drive the center speaker off the amp front channels)

So for some $1300 ($100 over the old Logic7 option price) this will definitely put the Logic7 behind in sound quality and volume.

While I do understand your logic here and do agree that it is POSSIBLE to do an aftermarket system for cheaper than the Logic7 upgrade price, I was referring to every component speaker in the logic 7 system be changed and controlled by a high quality amplifier. Upgrading a NON Logic7 would be more cumbersome due to less control through the factory deck and weak amp. Rear speakers should generally be used as "fill" but in the non Logic7 case, they can barely handle that well without getting muddled at higher volumes.

Silk aftermarket tweeters or not, an EQ is going to be necessary which non Logic7 stereo's don't have. 2khz-4khz is the most obtrusive freq range in a car environment and not tuning for that gives a very harsh sound.

4 years ago I entered into an SQ comp with a very good setup with no EQ. I lost, badly.. 2 months later I entered with an Audiocontrol EQ, tuned with a RTA and won. Same judge.

Getting away with a budget setup is def. possible though.

[Technic]

Originally Posted by Malekreza11

While I do understand your logic here and do agree that it is POSSIBLE to do an aftermarket system for cheaper than the Logic7 upgrade price, I was referring to every component speaker in the logic 7 system be changed and controlled by a high quality amplifier. Upgrading a NON Logic7 would be more cumbersome due to less control through the factory deck and weak amp. Rear speakers should generally be used as "fill" but in the non Logic7 case, they can barely handle that well without getting muddled at higher volumes.

Silk aftermarket tweeters or not, an EQ is going to be necessary which non Logic7 stereo's don't have. 2khz-4khz is the most obtrusive freq range in a car environment and not tuning for that gives a very harsh sound.

4 years ago I entered into an SQ comp with a very good setup with no EQ. I lost, badly.. 2 months later I entered with an Audiocontrol EQ, tuned with a RTA and won. Same judge.

Getting away with a budget setup is def. possible though.

Yes, an EQ is necessary but not a requirement.

With that said, the issue here is upgrading the base system to something that sounds better than the Logic7. I don't think that that is difficult or complicated, as the Logic7 has some OEM limitations (low power output, bass, so-so quality of the OEM speakers, heavy DSP processing) that are not apparent until you listen to another system.

My example takes care of most of those limitations right out the bat: power is more than doubled, bass is increased, quality and power handling of the speakers is higher. In addition, the amp chosen in the example has individual active crossovers for each pair of channels, in addition to passive crossovers as separate modules in front and in the coaxials themselves (optional). That's not much different from the Logic7 way of amplification and crossover; actually, it is much better as the active crossovers can be adjusted to taste and in the case of the front speakers, there is a proper crossover circuitry and not just a single cap in-line with the tweeter.

Now, to really achieve tuning versatility then an EQ/DSP will be necessary, but for something considerably better than the Logic7 in a relatively inexpensive manner that could be it. At least to start...

[Malek@MRF]

Good discussion

I agree that the shortcomings of the L7 are not apparent until someone else (even non experienced in sound) easily noticed once they are exposed to something that is actually better. I guess for many on this board, L7 is the best they have ever heard in a car, to me, it needs a lot of help, but it sure isn't that bad for a factory stereo.

It's late now.. but time to get back to mixing