[Dr.Crap]

Anyone driven/tried this?

I know DMS do one ~ 440bhp and no doubt evolve - although i have'nt enquired directly

Does it make any noticeable difference?

[biscuits]

I'm sceptical there's must to be had by a remap, unless you de-cat the exhaust.

Might be wrong, but all normally asperated cars get very little benifit from a remap. Maybe a bit better midrange/throttle response, not much up top.

[Zk1]

I know its not a remap , but the active autowerkes m3 super charger kit sounds out of this world. especially the video of the engine working

[biscuits]

G-Power Munich:



LOVELY !!!

For the supercharger upgrade...

Parts: 9,227 Euro
Labour: 1,425 Euro


G-POWER M3 Supercharger system SK I - plus 105 hp
Basis: M3 V8, 420 hp (309 kW)/400 Nm increased to 525 hp (386 kW)/525 Nm
consisting of:
Forced induction: ASA T1-518 supercharger including overrunning clutch ASA K07; supercharger
lubrication through bypass from motor oil circuit; ultra stiff CNC shaped supercharger bracket system
made from aluminium including an extended support aggregate belt drive for the supercharger’s drive;
pneumatic controlled, engine load related boost control; flow optimized, large volumetric fresh air intake,
large volume air box made from aluminium cast, including 8 integral resonance induction pipes made
from light polyamide, ensuring an optimal throttle response and a perfect torque curve; racing air filter.
Boost level approx. 4 psi rel.
Intercooling: Large volumetric intercooler system using flow optimized boost pipes made from casted
aluminium and a large, high capacity air to air intercooler made from aluminium in the car's front.
Engine modification: 8 fuel injectors with enlarged mass flow.
Electronics: Custom made software for the standard BMW engine and DKG- transmission electronic
control unit (BMW OBD stays completely untouched), enabling an unlimited top speed of max. 320 km/h,
according to the capacity of the tyres.
Installation only at G-POWER headquarter.

[booforty]

Now that is what you call a modified engine!

[Hoops]

That looks awsome! Would like to see a modded Focus RS try and scalp that bad boy!!

[dxb335d]

LOLOLOLOLO stevie.

Try laying that power down LOL...



Id love a turbo'd M3 over a supercharged one.

[Zk1]

this is a monster

supercharged m3

- not sure about dump valve though, but sounds amazing too

[dxb335d]

2nd one sounds more like a turbo?! Can hear the whistle and also a dumper fitted. No whine?!

Cant watch first one at the moment.

[Dr.Crap]

WOW

Shame the EURO to POUND rate is so bad

and I'd kill myself in it

[mikem]

The 2nd one is definately a S/C it has one of ESS`s test kits on it, the blow off sound you can hear is the by pass valve (BPV). Modern superchargers are very quiet compared to old ones and only really whine at full chat but even then, they`re usually drowned out by the engine and exhaust.

The AA car at 520HP wont be that fast, probably on par with an M6 or M5 (just) but no more.

The 2nd ESS car is running more power, just over 600 I beleive and will be a little more lively.



Carl, what`s the reasons for prefering a Turbo to a S/C ?

[dxb335d]

Bigger numbers mate and also i prefer the delivery of a turbo.

Ive never been a fan of superchargers. Just love the HPF turbo conversions for the E46 M3. Insane.

[mikem]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

Bigger numbers mate and also i prefer the delivery of a turbo.

Ive never been a fan of superchargers. Just love the HPF turbo conversions for the E46 M3. Insane.

Carl that doesn`t really make sense, the No`s come from how much air (and fuel) is going in, so a S/C thats pushing more boost than a Turbo will give even bigger No`s, there are quite a few S/C cars out there running more than HPF`s.

I agree with what your saying about the feel of a Turbo coming on song but as you said yourself above, its no good for traction. Especially when playing with this much power.

[dxb335d]

Please show me these S/C m3's pushing out bigger power than HPF coversions please. Not that im doubting it or you, just i aint seen them myself.

Pretty obvious that numbers come from fuel and air LOLOLOLOLO. But Generally speaking Turbo powered cars can produce more power than a normal supercharger conversions.

But there will always be the limitless supply of cash from some people who il strap on a massive turbo or a larger supercharger to become the BESST

[mikem]

Carl, there was a CSL in Feb`s PBMW with over 700 HP, check out bimmerforums etc for others, There`s one being built at the minute with over 1000HP.

The HPF cars don`t make great power on regular fuel, only after adding Methanol or 110 race fuel can they run huge advance on the timing and extra boost or with lower compression internals on the stage 2.5+`s.

If you run out of race fuel or Meth, you have to switch back to the "pump" fuel settings so when properly abusing it, you have no real "range" with these settings.

........and if its so obvious that "numbers come from fuel and air LOLOLOL" why come out with a stupid comment like " Bigger numbers mate" when refering to Turbo`s ? It`s like saying Petrol`s quicker than Diesel, there`s nothing in the statement to quantify it.

[biscuits]

Your all talking boolax !

Turbo Supercharging is the ways to go...

[dxb335d]

Nissan chose Turbo charging.

Porsche chose Turbo charging

BMW chose Turbo charging (forgetting alpina)

Ford chose Turbocharging

Rally Manufactueres chose Turbocharging

AUDI with there R8, R10 and new R15 chose Turbocharging.

(f1 engine builders in the 80's) chose turbocharging.


I chose turbocharging, hope that aint an issue mr M.

[biscuits]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

Nissan chose Turbo charging.

Porsche chose Turbo charging

BMW chose Turbo charging (forgetting alpina)

Ford chose Turbocharging

Rally Manufactueres chose Turbocharging

AUDI with there R8, R10 and new R15 chose Turbocharging.

(f1 engine builders in the 80's) chose turbocharging.


I chose turbocharging, hope that aint an issue mr M.

Turbocharging is cheaper and easier to implement, also often the components are lighter too...

Audi use a supercharger on their new V6 S4 engine btw.

Problem with turbocharging a V6/8/10 etc is you need two turbos (one for each bank, which means two new manifolds and exhausts etc... belt driven supercharger is easier to retrofit.

I wonder what a Merc SLR uses... oh, a feck off supercharger.

Both can give similar results, just different methods prefered by different manufacturers.

[willhollin]

[squeezebm]

[dxb335d]

Very true biscuits. I prefer turbos, and prefer how they feed compressed air. The fact there not belt driven which takes power to make power.

I prefer the power delivery also.


WHEN IT COMes to motorsport, rules depandant they would go with whatever is best for the application and makes the power they want, money no object etc.

They all chose turbo mate.

[mikem]

Of course its not a problem Carlos, you made the statement that you`d take a Turbo over a Supercharger and I asked what the reasons for that were.

Your reasoning was what I expected, true Carlos logicwah.




I think your right Biscuits the greedy method used on the smaller VW engines might be the way forward.