VK IC installed

ontopofm · 04-04-2009, 10:06 PM

I tried to install it on Friday morning but failed because the holes on the tabs were off a lil and I had to go to work. I tried again this morning with new holes drilled (all it took was around 2 min) and it fits perfect.

Slidewayz · 04-04-2009, 10:22 PM

Thank you! This is what I've been waiting to see.

It gives me a sense of how much more (inter)cooling capacity the VK piece has.

canrhea · 04-04-2009, 11:40 PM

so the hole for the bolts on the VK didnt line up properly?

ontopofm · 04-04-2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by canrhea

so the hole for the bolts on the VK didnt line up properly?

my unit was off a bit on my AT but it was an easy fix if you have a drill + drill bit

BMW_TT · 04-04-2009, 11:48 PM

It doesn't look any much bigger than the stock IC.

stimpy · 04-05-2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BMW_TT

It doesn't look any much bigger than the stock IC.

Are you sure it don't not?

xsb00st · 04-05-2009, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by stimpy

Are you sure it don't not?

+1, it definitely looks bigger than the stock FMIC.

jpsimon · 04-05-2009, 12:32 AM

how's it feel? I'm installing mine tomorrow and getting to the dyno on Tuesday

xsb00st · 04-05-2009, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jpsimon

how's it feel? I'm installing mine tomorrow and getting to the dyno on Tuesday

Take a lot of pictures for us... please.

ontopofm · 04-05-2009, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jpsimon

how's it feel? I'm installing mine tomorrow and getting to the dyno on Tuesday

i cant butt dyno the IC man...I tried to measure the temp at the dyno today but the intake temp parameter was not set in the procede software

I had it on procede reader v2 but forgot to add it on reader v3.1

Slidewayz · 04-05-2009, 12:56 AM

Since this is a simple bolt-on, hopefully sometime soon someone will test both on the same day so temp/humidity are controlled.

It's like, uh, 20% bigger than stock? Maybe that's enough?

jpsimon · 04-05-2009, 12:57 AM

I'll log all the dyno pulls I do

jpsimon · 04-05-2009, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by xs*****

Take a lot of pictures for us... please.

Will do

Abel_135 · 04-05-2009, 04:29 AM

let see how the vk performs better than stock jpsimon that would be a nice comparo to see the real power gains. do a coouple of wot so the ecu will be addapted.

thanks,and congrats ontopof the ic looks great to me I need to see the real gains to jump on this

rubber_ducky · 04-05-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jpsimon

Will do

Please use a real camera too... not a phone. TIA.

veightkiller · 04-05-2009, 01:06 PM

Looking man

thegeneral101 · 04-05-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Slidewayz

Since this is a simple bolt-on, hopefully sometime soon someone will test both on the same day so temp/humidity are controlled.

It's like, uh, 20% bigger than stock? Maybe that's enough?

that still takes a lot of work but im sure someone will be up to it eventually

Former_Boosted_IS · 04-06-2009, 05:34 AM

Just to eductate a little guys. The test that proves the intercooler is worth it is testing the AITs before and after. Dyno will tell you nothing. If you run a map that is specifically for an intercooler than you will see higher numbers because the TUNE is taking advantage of the lower AITs and pressure drop.

Think of it like this... how do you test to see if an upgraded oil cooler is working well? Not with a dyno, but by testing to see if the oil is cooler. An intercooler is the exact same.

CanadianTSi · 04-06-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

If you run a map that is specifically for an intercooler than you will see higher numbers because the TUNE is taking advantage of the lower AITs and pressure drop.

But then that also proves that the IC is working better than stock.

jpsimon · 04-06-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

Just to eductate a little guys. The test that proves the intercooler is worth it is testing the AITs before and after. Dyno will tell you nothing. If you run a map that is specifically for an intercooler than you will see higher numbers because the TUNE is taking advantage of the lower AITs and pressure drop.

Think of it like this... how do you test to see if an upgraded oil cooler is working well? Not with a dyno, but by testing to see if the oil is cooler. An intercooler is the exact same.

If the car consistently makes more power with the more aggressive FMIC map, then you know its working

Former_Boosted_IS · 04-06-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jpsimon

If the car consistently makes more power with the more aggressive FMIC map, then you know its working

JP, the IC is about making consistent power. I think people lose their mind sometimes on this forum with dynos. You are never going to get real world data on a dyno. The fan is not adjusting to your speed. If you get consistent AITs, then the rest is accurately inferred. You can manipulate the map to make consistent power. Consistent AITs tell the entire story.

jpsimon · 04-06-2009, 11:01 AM

Consistent AIT's do not tell the entire story, it only tells us how efficiently the FMIC cools the air - but that's it. My testing will show how much more power the car is making over the stock fmic on the same dyno running a map designed for the FMIC vs. a map designed for the stock FMIC. Combining all the data would be the "entire story".

You are very argumentative with me about this stuff... I have never said testing AIT's was a bad thing and I've never discounted your results. You make it seem like I have. Consistent power is the main reason one gets an upgraded FMIC, but with that (among other things) comes the ability to run more boost and make more power, which I will be testing.

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Slidewayz Major 37 Rep 1,177 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Oakland, CA iTrader: (5)	Since this is a simple bolt-on, hopefully sometime soon someone will test both on the same day so temp/humidity are controlled. It's like, uh, 20% bigger than stock? Maybe that's enough?
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Abel_135 Second Lieutenant 6 Rep 224 Posts Drives: Bmw 135i Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SPAIN iTrader: (1)	let see how the vk performs better than stock jpsimon that would be a nice comparo to see the real power gains. do a coouple of wot so the ecu will be addapted. thanks,and congrats ontopof the ic looks great to me I need to see the real gains to jump on this
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Former_Boosted_IS Major General 315 Rep 5,175 Posts Drives: 4 Wheels Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Planet Earth! iTrader: (15)	Just to eductate a little guys. The test that proves the intercooler is worth it is testing the AITs before and after. Dyno will tell you nothing. If you run a map that is specifically for an intercooler than you will see higher numbers because the TUNE is taking advantage of the lower AITs and pressure drop. Think of it like this... how do you test to see if an upgraded oil cooler is working well? Not with a dyno, but by testing to see if the oil is cooler. An intercooler is the exact same.
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jpsimon Team Zissou 3154 Rep 10,200 Posts Drives: 2022 AWD M3 Comp - SMB Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: CT iTrader: (7)	Consistent AIT's do not tell the entire story, it only tells us how efficiently the FMIC cools the air - but that's it. My testing will show how much more power the car is making over the stock fmic on the same dyno running a map designed for the FMIC vs. a map designed for the stock FMIC. Combining all the data would be the "entire story". You are very argumentative with me about this stuff... I have never said testing AIT's was a bad thing and I've never discounted your results. You make it seem like I have. Consistent power is the main reason one gets an upgraded FMIC, but with that (among other things) comes the ability to run more boost and make more power, which I will be testing.
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