should i go for superchips?

neo871 · 05-12-2009, 10:14 AM

Hello everyone,

It has been a while since I've been reading everything about what you guys say about remapping. Unfortunately, here in Romania the only advisable remapper would be Superchips.

Is their map a good choice for my 335d?

Quoted figures: 333hp and 668Nm

dxb335d · 05-12-2009, 10:21 AM

the graph is for 314bhp? Not 333bhp.

Not sure if superchips are the problem company or chippedUK.

I think Superchips is a good company but not used them.

RagingKileak · 05-12-2009, 10:22 AM

Superchips have very good reports.

Try Evolve - http://www.evo-s.co.uk/shop/index.ph...2945_3412_2979

As an alternative, they offer a switch unit which they could probably configure for you and ship directly to you - you then plug it in and email your map to them, they make the relevant changes and it email back to you.

I dont see any reason why it wouldnt work for you.

Its similar to the Superchips bluefin system.

Matt

neo871 · 05-12-2009, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dxb335d

the graph is for 314bhp? Not 333bhp.

Not sure if superchips are the problem company or chippedUK.

I think Superchips is a good company but not used them.

chippedUK is "that" company...

isn't 314hp wheel power or smth similar?

Imran@Evolve · 05-12-2009, 10:39 AM

Those figures are flywheel figures.

dxb335d · 05-12-2009, 10:40 AM

Andrei, a 335d wont make anywhere near 314bhp at the wheels. More like 270-290bhp at the wheels.

That 314 is a flywheel figure.

Ive seen graphs for 335ds (tuned) from low 300's to 350's at the flywheel.

neo871 · 05-12-2009, 11:13 AM

but then why do they state 333hp on their website?

dxb335d · 05-12-2009, 11:36 AM

Not sure mate?

Maybe that was a low powered example. ive been on dyno days where a 335d with the same map as me made 10bhp less and also 20 odd ibs less.

RagingKileak · 05-12-2009, 11:39 AM

Well to be fair, the graph above is a shambles anyway...

It states 314bhp and yet a 47bhp increase would be in the region of 330bhp (333bhp for example)

The graph clearly shows 333bhp so they have obviously put the wrong 'max' figures in where they have put 314bhp.

In the uk, they usually quote about 330 and say its a fairly conservative map.

Matt

Beaky · 05-12-2009, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RagingKileak

Well to be fair, the graph above is a shambles anyway...

It states 314bhp and yet a 47bhp increase would be in the region of 330bhp (333bhp for example)

The graph clearly shows 333bhp so they have obviously put the wrong 'max' figures in where they have put 314bhp.

In the uk, they usually quote about 330 and say its a fairly conservative map.

Matt

If you look at the RPM it tells you why the numbers don't add up so to speak - I checked the same when I had mine mapped. The largest increase across the rev band is 47bhp however the peak power does not increase by the same amount as the differential is lower.

Also, on the graph the step between the lines is 50bhp and the curve is below half way between 300 and 350 therefore less than 320 bhp max, it doesn't show 333 as far as I can tell. :-)

RagingKileak · 05-12-2009, 12:04 PM

The car is 17bhp down on BMW figures to begin with as well!!

Matt

dxb335d · 05-12-2009, 12:17 PM

Some do make less power mate.

All depends on how it was made etc and also how it was run-in!

RagingKileak · 05-12-2009, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dxb335d

Some do make less power mate.

All depends on how it was made etc and also how it was run-in!

And if you were Superchips Carl, would you choose to showpiece the most broke ass 335D that mankind has ever seen as your test car?

Matt

neo871 · 05-12-2009, 01:32 PM

ok, so i guess it would be a a lot better to e-mail superchips uk about this?

is there anyone with this map who did a dyno run? what figures came out?

willhollin · 05-12-2009, 01:33 PM

Why not get the Evolve switchable map jobby box.

neo871 · 05-12-2009, 01:37 PM

i don't really trust boxes...i wish we had evolve here though....

willhollin · 05-12-2009, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neo871

i don't really trust boxes...i wish we had evolve here though....

It's not a box in the sense you are thinking mate, it doesn't fit under the bonnet.

It holds the maps and allows you to upload them to your car, exactly as would happen if you took the car to Evolve.

Imran will explain better.

dxb335d · 05-12-2009, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RagingKileak

And if you were Superchips Carl, would you choose to showpiece the most broke ass 335D that mankind has ever seen as your test car?

Matt

What do you mean mate?

The best one? Yes id assume they would!

neo871 · 05-12-2009, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willhollin

It's not a box in the sense you are thinking mate, it doesn't fit under the bonnet.

It holds the maps and allows you to upload them to your car, exactly as would happen if you took the car to Evolve.

Imran will explain better.

that sounds interesting...i'll PM Imran for this...

neo871 · 05-12-2009, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neo871

that sounds interesting...i'll PM Imran for this...

anyway, is there anyone with a 335d and a superchips map that did a dyno run?

RagingKileak · 05-12-2009, 02:44 PM

Neo, my Evolve Switch box is on the way, I will be writing a full review in the next week or so if you want to wait and see what its like!!

Carl - yeah I mean why would Superchips choose a car that has basically the WORST figures I have ever seen when stock, and consequently performs like shit when its mapped too...

Surely using a benchmark car that makes say 289, or 284 to begin with and then mapping it up to the usual 350bhp?

Is it just some sort of 'statement' about the whole 'RR testing is bollocks' philosophy?

Matt

neo871 · 05-12-2009, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RagingKileak

Neo, my Evolve Switch box is on the way, I will be writing a full review in the next week or so if you want to wait and see what its like!!

Matt

thanks! I really look forward to that, keep us posted!

05-12-2009, 10:14 AM	#1
neo871 Major 144 Rep 1,399 Posts Drives: 340i xDrive MPPSK Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania iTrader: (0)	should i go for superchips? Hello everyone, It has been a while since I've been reading everything about what you guys say about remapping. Unfortunately, here in Romania the only advisable remapper would be Superchips. Is their map a good choice for my 335d? Quoted figures: 333hp and 668Nm Attached Images
	Appreciate 0 Tweet Quote

05-12-2009, 10:21 AM	#2
dxb335d The Tarmac Terrorist 1011 Rep 29,344 Posts Drives: 997.2 GT3 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: ''Fandango Towers'' iTrader: (3) Garage List 2010 Porsche 997.2 GT3 [9.50] 2003 BMW E46 M3 [6.00] 2007 BMW E92 335D [5.50]	the graph is for 314bhp? Not 333bhp. Not sure if superchips are the problem company or chippedUK. I think Superchips is a good company but not used them. __________________ 997.2 GT3
	Appreciate 0 Quote

05-12-2009, 10:22 AM	#3
RagingKileak Brigadier General 202 Rep 4,655 Posts Drives: M3 CS Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Yorkshire iTrader: (2)	Superchips have very good reports. Try Evolve - http://www.evo-s.co.uk/shop/index.ph...2945_3412_2979 As an alternative, they offer a switch unit which they could probably configure for you and ship directly to you - you then plug it in and email your map to them, they make the relevant changes and it email back to you. I dont see any reason why it wouldnt work for you. Its similar to the Superchips bluefin system. Matt
	Appreciate 0 Quote

05-12-2009, 10:39 AM	#5
Imran@Evolve 5492 Rep 3,822 Posts Drives: All of them Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bedfordshire UK iTrader: (0)	Those figures are flywheel figures.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

05-12-2009, 10:40 AM	#6
dxb335d The Tarmac Terrorist 1011 Rep 29,344 Posts Drives: 997.2 GT3 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: ''Fandango Towers'' iTrader: (3) Garage List 2010 Porsche 997.2 GT3 [9.50] 2003 BMW E46 M3 [6.00] 2007 BMW E92 335D [5.50]	Andrei, a 335d wont make anywhere near 314bhp at the wheels. More like 270-290bhp at the wheels. That 314 is a flywheel figure. Ive seen graphs for 335ds (tuned) from low 300's to 350's at the flywheel. __________________ 997.2 GT3
	Appreciate 0 Quote

05-12-2009, 11:13 AM	#7
neo871 Major 144 Rep 1,399 Posts Drives: 340i xDrive MPPSK Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania iTrader: (0)	but then why do they state 333hp on their website?
	Appreciate 0 Quote

05-12-2009, 11:36 AM	#8
dxb335d The Tarmac Terrorist 1011 Rep 29,344 Posts Drives: 997.2 GT3 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: ''Fandango Towers'' iTrader: (3) Garage List 2010 Porsche 997.2 GT3 [9.50] 2003 BMW E46 M3 [6.00] 2007 BMW E92 335D [5.50]	Not sure mate? Maybe that was a low powered example. ive been on dyno days where a 335d with the same map as me made 10bhp less and also 20 odd ibs less. __________________ 997.2 GT3
	Appreciate 0 Quote

05-12-2009, 11:39 AM	#9
RagingKileak Brigadier General 202 Rep 4,655 Posts Drives: M3 CS Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Yorkshire iTrader: (2)	Well to be fair, the graph above is a shambles anyway... It states 314bhp and yet a 47bhp increase would be in the region of 330bhp (333bhp for example) The graph clearly shows 333bhp so they have obviously put the wrong 'max' figures in where they have put 314bhp. In the uk, they usually quote about 330 and say its a fairly conservative map. Matt
	Appreciate 0 Quote

05-12-2009, 12:04 PM	#11
RagingKileak Brigadier General 202 Rep 4,655 Posts Drives: M3 CS Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Yorkshire iTrader: (2)	The car is 17bhp down on BMW figures to begin with as well!! Matt
	Appreciate 0 Quote

05-12-2009, 12:17 PM	#12
dxb335d The Tarmac Terrorist 1011 Rep 29,344 Posts Drives: 997.2 GT3 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: ''Fandango Towers'' iTrader: (3) Garage List 2010 Porsche 997.2 GT3 [9.50] 2003 BMW E46 M3 [6.00] 2007 BMW E92 335D [5.50]	Some do make less power mate. All depends on how it was made etc and also how it was run-in! __________________ 997.2 GT3
	Appreciate 0 Quote

05-12-2009, 01:32 PM	#14
neo871 Major 144 Rep 1,399 Posts Drives: 340i xDrive MPPSK Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania iTrader: (0)	ok, so i guess it would be a a lot better to e-mail superchips uk about this? is there anyone with this map who did a dyno run? what figures came out?
	Appreciate 0 Quote

05-12-2009, 01:33 PM	#15
willhollin Major General 272 Rep 9,914 Posts Drives: VW T5 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Worcestershire iTrader: (1) Garage List 2007 BMW E92 330d SE [10.00] 2010 Transporter T5 ... [0.00]	Why not get the Evolve switchable map jobby box.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

05-12-2009, 01:37 PM	#16
neo871 Major 144 Rep 1,399 Posts Drives: 340i xDrive MPPSK Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania iTrader: (0)	i don't really trust boxes...i wish we had evolve here though....
	Appreciate 0 Quote

05-12-2009, 02:44 PM	#21
RagingKileak Brigadier General 202 Rep 4,655 Posts Drives: M3 CS Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Yorkshire iTrader: (2)	Neo, my Evolve Switch box is on the way, I will be writing a full review in the next week or so if you want to wait and see what its like!! Carl - yeah I mean why would Superchips choose a car that has basically the WORST figures I have ever seen when stock, and consequently performs like shit when its mapped too... Surely using a benchmark car that makes say 289, or 284 to begin with and then mapping it up to the usual 350bhp? Is it just some sort of 'statement' about the whole 'RR testing is bollocks' philosophy? Matt
	Appreciate 0 Quote