[UndergroundEuros]

I have a stett performance intake I like it but want to see if there's anything different and better on the market. I am willing to trade if anyone wants but that's not the point right now.. The point is whats The best thing out there. for Gains..

[jbttum3]

completely debateable but I think the Stett and Ultimate Racing intakes are the best setups

[Sniz]

+1, no reason to change what you have.

but if you insist, I'll trade a BMS dual cone with you (I'll have to buy it first though)

[UndergroundEuros]

Originally Posted by Sniz

+1, no reason to change what you have.

but if you insist, I'll trade a BMS dual cone with you (I'll have to buy it first though)

trade plus cash lol

[Terrance28]

Just keep what you have man, did you read former's thread on the comparison and logs he did on them?

[UndergroundEuros]

Originally Posted by Terrance28

Just keep what you have man, did you read former's thread on the comparison and logs he did on them?

yes but I dont see it! But i might be nuts..

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by sports4players

yes but I dont see it! But i might be nuts..

simple, its better than the DCI. lower IAT's.

[Sneeze]

I don't know if a car with bolts on with a single cone CAI can even break 400+whp. DCI may have higher IAT's but dynos says it all.

[Former_Boosted_IS]

Have you read my review of the STETT CAI versus DCI thread?

[UndergroundEuros]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

Have you read my review of the STETT CAI versus DCI thread?

no link please

[Former_Boosted_IS]

Originally Posted by sports4players

no link please

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...=stett+cai+dci

[ToadHollow]

Not meaning to start a riot ............

But,
I realize you went from the BMS DCI to the Stett and therefore compared those two setups with each other. Apples to oranges........

BMS filters couldn't sit in a worse place under the hood. They have limited air flow available, no protection from heat whatsoever and are a poor comparison to the Stett or any other CAI available for these cars.

A proper comparison would be that of the Stett to the aFe DCI. Sure, the aFe also sits atop the hottest area of the engine HOWEVER, it is basically enclosed (when the hood is closed) within a heatshield AND is fed a constant cold air flow when the car is in motion. The BMS DCI has a very limited air flow and NO protection from the heat.

Even with the aFe having one area allowing for heat to get to the filters; the constant air flow limits that susbstantially.

A CAI and a DCI should be as equal as possible for a clear and fair comparison to be reached. Since the aFe DCI and Stett CAI seem to be great contenders it would be nice to see these two go head to head.

By the way, as I posted recently in another thread, I dyno'd with my aFe DCI last summer under 92 degree heat/78% humidity and a less than adequate 45 mph wind WITH the hood closed AND was able to sustain a 15-17 rwhp gain over the OEM intake. An 8-10 rwhp gain over my former Logic HVI (which is placed as close to the CAI location under the hood WITHOUT being a CAI).
The aFe intake is one of VERY few items I have purchased and not changed out.

Finished.

[Former_Boosted_IS]

Originally Posted by ToadHollow

Not meaning to start a riot ............

But,
I realize you went from the BMS DCI to the Stett and therefore compared those two setups with each other. Apples to oranges........

BMS filters couldn't sit in a worse place under the hood. They have limited air flow available, no protection from heat whatsoever and are a poor comparison to the Stett or any other CAI available for these cars.

A proper comparison would be that of the Stett to the aFe DCI. Sure, the aFe also sits atop the hottest area of the engine HOWEVER, it is basically enclosed (when the hood is closed) within a heatshield AND is fed a constant cold air flow when the car is in motion. The BMS DCI has a very limited air flow and NO protection from the heat.

Even with the aFe having one area allowing for heat to get to the filters; the constant air flow limits that susbstantially.

A CAI and a DCI should be as equal as possible for a clear and fair comparison to be reached. Since the aFe DCI and Stett CAI seem to be great contenders it would be nice to see these two go head to head.

By the way, as I posted recently in another thread, I dyno'd with my aFe DCI last summer under 92 degree heat/78% humidity and a less than adequate 45 mph wind WITH the hood closed AND was able to sustain a 15-17 rwhp gain over the OEM intake. An 8-10 rwhp gain over my former Logic HVI (which is placed as close to the CAI location under the hood WITHOUT being a CAI).
The aFe intake is one of VERY few items I have purchased and not changed out.

Finished.

Toad, I totally respect your opinion, but I would have to disagree with what you are saying. The DCI's have out performed extremely well. They have a ton of surface area on the filters and hence can support a lot of air flow. The AFE is sitting in the worst possible location in the engine. Also a ton of surface filter space is pressed against the hood, each other, and the hot engine. Really the flow has to be very compromised. From a heat standpoint, they are on top of the engine. They will be heated by convection (worse than any other setup) and conduction. Actually there couldn't be a place worse. The fact that there is a scoop can help at speed, but it helps equally on the DCIs because the snorkel runs to the same area.

Next, you may have seen power increases but I think you are the only one I have ever seen on the forum. It has been widely accepted that they cause you to lose HP. I haven't personally tested the AFE, but from there are a lot of reasons to believe it would be one of the worst performers out there.

I would be interested to see any direct testing, but having tested this myself I would be quite surprised if the AFE wasn't one of the worst performers. Compromised surface area on the filters to reduce flow and heat issues by conduction and convection just lead me to believe it is not even in contention.

[paullo]

Basically confirmed by European Car article mentioned in another thread.

Dyno results from the AFE intake system demonstrated that regardless of all the advanced engineering a company puts into an aftermarket air intake system, it generally cannot outperform the already well-designed stock airbox. This is not to say that AFE doesn't make a great product, just that it's hard to improve on perfection. Though there was a minimal loss of torque and a small gain of horsepower at the top end, you still cannot truly gauge real world effects of air velocity and flow conditions at speed on a dynamometer. The AFE intake could be a worthwhile mod even if the biggest things gained are increased throttle response and a delicious growl from underneath the hood.

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

Toad, I totally respect your opinion, but I would have to disagree with what you are saying. The DCI's have out performed extremely well. They have a ton of surface area on the filters and hence can support a lot of air flow. The AFE is sitting in the worst possible location in the engine. Also a ton of surface filter space is pressed against the hood, each other, and the hot engine. Really the flow has to be very compromised. From a heat standpoint, they are on top of the engine. They will be heated by convection (worse than any other setup) and conduction. Actually there couldn't be a place worse. The fact that there is a scoop can help at speed, but it helps equally on the DCIs because the snorkel runs to the same area.

Next, you may have seen power increases but I think you are the only one I have ever seen on the forum. It has been widely accepted that they cause you to lose HP. I haven't personally tested the AFE, but from there are a lot of reasons to believe it would be one of the worst performers out there.

I would be interested to see any direct testing, but having tested this myself I would be quite surprised if the AFE wasn't one of the worst performers. Compromised surface area on the filters to reduce flow and heat issues by conduction and convection just lead me to believe it is not even in contention.

[Terrance28]

I think the stett/dci review was on point. Mainly cause some of the guys that are pushing over 400whp are running dci, or the guys that are dynoing great and running fast times at the track.

[Drakos]

I am going to wait for the Dinan CAI to be released. It looks quite promising.

[ToadHollow]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

Toad, I totally respect your opinion, but I would have to disagree with what you are saying. The DCI's have out performed extremely well. They have a ton of surface area on the filters and hence can support a lot of air flow. The AFE is sitting in the worst possible location in the engine. Also a ton of surface filter space is pressed against the hood, each other, and the hot engine. Really the flow has to be very compromised. From a heat standpoint, they are on top of the engine. They will be heated by convection (worse than any other setup) and conduction. Actually there couldn't be a place worse. The fact that there is a scoop can help at speed, but it helps equally on the DCIs because the snorkel runs to the same area.

Next, you may have seen power increases but I think you are the only one I have ever seen on the forum. It has been widely accepted that they cause you to lose HP. I haven't personally tested the AFE, but from there are a lot of reasons to believe it would be one of the worst performers out there.

I would be interested to see any direct testing, but having tested this myself I would be quite surprised if the AFE wasn't one of the worst performers. Compromised surface area on the filters to reduce flow and heat issues by conduction and convection just lead me to believe it is not even in contention.

I've always been a fan of the CAI on other cars I've owned and have had great results along the way. I had owned a 1987 GNX TT that became a guinea pig of sorts for Garrett Turbo Industries' products & testing.

I'm sure I am one of the few who actually dyno'd with this intake installed. Also, the strut brace I have installed prevents the filters from touching the underside of the hood creating more "breathing" surface. Without the brace installed I would imagine the filters would then lose atleast 30% surface space to breathe.

I've contributed to far too many of these threads over the past year! That said .......... as much & often as I change things on this car I would suspect that I will eventually try out a CAI ........... BUT, the gains I've experienced w/ the aFe ARE real, documented and pleasing.

You know I can't be satisfied w/ your asessment of the aFe until I see an actual comparison though ......