[badass335]

So most of you have probably read my posts with all the issues i had with misfires etc on my car. Couldn't reproduce issues stock, only with Procede. On stage 1, i was able to run but could not raise UT values or lower timing. Since my car has stage 2/3 mods, i wanted faster. The background done!

Now for the personal comparison. I have the latest REV2 procede and the then latest map, 10-9 Auto and have the Gen3 JB3 Rev 8.4. The newer procede map was very smooth and the power and throttle response was fantastic. I did like the safety and other features (Oil Temp protection, CPS timing control, boost control on 1st and 2nd gear, dash map confirmation etc). I can't really compare performance since i was unable to get it running right. (Please refer to my other thread regarding issues and what i tried to resolve it, and yes I did talk with Shiv as well). I've been in the Procede camp since I got my car almost 3 years ago.

Now to JB3. First, Mike and Terry were both really great to deal with. Fast service, and great followup. The install was simple similar to the procede. Car started up with no codes. Took her for a boot. The car ran fine. I would say the JB3 1.4 does take a while to adapt. I ran map 7 but had detonation. (within 3 runs just after install) Lowered to map 6 and reset adaptation. Tried again and car ran fine. SO let her run for a week and checked for codes, none found. I tried a full WOT run and had a misfire once. I figure the car is still adapting.

So basically, after a week, I decided to give the car a few hard runs. Map 6, i found to be laggy, flat spots between 3000 - 4000rpm and up top seems to be not enough. BUT, the plus was, no more misfires. My car would hit 16psi tapering off to 11psi at gear shifts and no more limps at shift. So after quite a few runs, came back happy that i could actually run my car.

Let it run for another few days and decided to try map 7 again. Checked for codes and logged runs and all was running great. no issues with car. The car just woke up! Boost was a running 16 - 16.5psi but the power was everywhere . No more laggy feel, no more flat spot in the lower rpm and up top the car just screamed! I've been running it hard for the last week and no issues, no codes, no misfires.

For now, i'm just going to enjoy my car again!

[R1000K3]

What do you mean by st 2/3, what is the missing link for st 3?

[badass335]

Originally Posted by R1000K3

What do you mean by st 2/3, what is the missing link for st 3?

I was running a fully catless system initally, but i couldn't deal with the noise so i got CP-E catted downpipes. Some say, i can run stage 3 but some say run stage 2. I couldn't run either.

My mods are
Stett FMIC,
Stett Chargepipe with Forge DV
Mckinney Catch Can
DCI
Oil Cooler
CP-E high flow catted dp's ( I had the VK catless ones before)
CP-E resonnated mid-pipe
Bastuck axle back
94octane

[R1000K3]

I see, I was curious if there were any bottleneck that caused the misfires, but it isn't. Strange you couldn't run the Procede without misfiring as others do. Perhaps there was a fail in some circuit in the actual Procede unit? I'm running the same boost with the Procede as you do, about 16 PSI, and have no codes or misfiring.

[dzenno]

What did u try doing on the car with shiv while you had procedecin? Were your misfires always on a particular cylinder? In what conditions would you get them?

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by badass335

So most of you have probably read my posts with all the issues i had with misfires etc on my car. Couldn't reproduce issues stock, only with Procede. On stage 1, i was able to run but could not raise UT values or lower timing. Since my car has stage 2/3 mods, i wanted faster. The background done!

Now for the personal comparison. I have the latest REV2 procede and the then latest map, 10-9 Auto and have the Gen3 JB3 Rev 8.4. The newer procede map was very smooth and the power and throttle response was fantastic. I did like the safety and other features (Oil Temp protection, CPS timing control, boost control on 1st and 2nd gear, dash map confirmation etc). I can't really compare performance since i was unable to get it running right. (Please refer to my other thread regarding issues and what i tried to resolve it, and yes I did talk with Shiv as well). I've been in the Procede camp since I got my car almost 3 years ago.

Now to JB3. First, Mike and Terry were both really great to deal with. Fast service, and great followup. The install was simple similar to the procede. Car started up with no codes. Took her for a boot. The car ran fine. I would say the JB3 1.4 does take a while to adapt. I ran map 7 but had detonation. (within 3 runs just after install) Lowered to map 6 and reset adaptation. Tried again and car ran fine. SO let her run for a week and checked for codes, none found. I tried a full WOT run and had a misfire once. I figure the car is still adapting.

So basically, after a week, I decided to give the car a few hard runs. Map 6, i found to be laggy, flat spots between 3000 - 4000rpm and up top seems to be not enough. BUT, the plus was, no more misfires. My car would hit 16psi tapering off to 11psi at gear shifts and no more limps at shift. So after quite a few runs, came back happy that i could actually run my car.

Let it run for another few days and decided to try map 7 again. Checked for codes and logged runs and all was running great. no issues with car. The car just woke up! Boost was a running 16 - 16.5psi but the power was everywhere . No more laggy feel, no more flat spot in the lower rpm and up top the car just screamed! I've been running it hard for the last week and no issues, no codes, no misfires.

For now, i'm just going to enjoy my car again!

Thanks for the review and I am glad you are up and running at the full potential of your car. I can tell you're excited Drive safe.

Mike

[luca335i]

I think you should change your plugs or coils if your having misfires. Or try to stay away from your usual gas station if having misfires. Try map 7 and see if your still misfiring.

[Proper Motion LLC]

Originally Posted by coldasicex5

DAMN! good review! As craig would say..

JB3 FTMFW!!

Craig wouldn't say that, he'd say Alpine White FTMFW!

[bmwzimmer]

Weather getting colder definitely helps as well. I think if you have any cats on, stage 1 is the way to go.

[Hit_Apex]

Originally Posted by 09AlpineTTSedan

Craig wouldn't say that, he'd say Alpine White FTMFW!

All other products are inferior...

[LostMarine]

Although I am biased.. I think since you have had misfires with both tunes, regardless of how often, then there is a deeper issue that has yet to be resolved.. but good choice with the JB3..

[5soko]

Glad everything has worked out and the JB3 isnt giving you problem man. Enjoy your car!

[badass335]

Originally Posted by dzenno

What did u try doing on the car with shiv while you had procedecin? Were your misfires always on a particular cylinder? In what conditions would you get them?

For me it was misfire in cyl 6 and usually above 6000rpm. We did the spark plug swap 3 times, coil pack shuffle, replaced injector 6 and paid for it myself, tried different gas (94 octane is my everyday fuel) replaced charge pipe and new dv's just in case and still had them.

[badass335]

Originally Posted by luca335i

I think you should change your plugs or coils if your having misfires. Or try to stay away from your usual gas station if having misfires. Try map 7 and see if your still misfiring.

Thanks. Been there done that. I've spent a lot of cash trying to troubleshoot. 3sets of plugs, bought 1 coilpack and did shuffle as well, bought and injector and had it installed and calibrated at my cost, bought 2 sets of forge dv's and the stett chargepipe, in case there was a boost leak causing the turbos to overspin and have misfires.. Even had BMW look at my car ( with all mods). With procede out, no issues. With jb3 map7 now, no issues. Car needed to adapt actually.

[badass335]

Originally Posted by bmwzimmer

Weather getting colder definitely helps as well. I think if you have any cats on, stage 1 is the way to go.

Maybe the case but when I was completely catless, I still couldn't raise the stages. Why pay all this money for mods if you can't maximize performance!

[badass335]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Thanks for the review and I am glad you are up and running at the full potential of your car. I can tell you're excited Drive safe.

Mike

Thanks again Mike!

[badass335]

Originally Posted by LostMarine

Although I am biased.. I think since you have had misfires with both tunes, regardless of how often, then there is a deeper issue that has yet to be resolved.. but good choice with the JB3..

That's what I thought as well. The only thing is, I've pretty much done everything to this car that can be done! My actual engine block was replaced 6 months ago due to a recall, my plugs 3 times replaced in the last 6 months, injector, coilpacks swap, but always cyl 6.

Still trying to convince BMW to upgrade my dme software. I still think it may be related to that and procede canbus.

[jpsimon]

did you ever send the procede to shiv to inspect?

[luca335i]

Block recall? What's your production date?

[badass335]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

did you ever send the procede to shiv to inspect?

Actually no as it was always in my car but I think I'll pm him and see what he thinks as the unit is out of the car now!

[badass335]

Originally Posted by luca335i

Block recall? What's your production date?

It's a pulley issue actually. The lower idler pulley hit the subframe and shredded my drive belt. When BMW inspected, they found bits of belt in the engine, on the valves etc. They just replaced the entire block. Feb 07 production.

[dr.roro]

Originally Posted by badass335

I was running a fully catless system initally, but i couldn't deal with the noise so i got CP-E catted downpipes.

This is unrelated to your OP, but did adding the catted DP's tone down the noise to a level you were happy with?