EPA may allow 15% ethanol in 2010. Say goodbye to your HPFPs

vase330 · 12-03-2009, 07:40 PM

If this happens our cars will all become permanent residents at the dealerships. Does BMW have that much parking available in their lots? IMO if this happens BMW is in trouble. And probably other manufacturers cars may start to understand what we have been going through for a couple of years.

Here you go ---> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/epa...010-2009-12-01

NRG · 12-03-2009, 07:47 PM

Doesn't look good as our canadian fuel is already very ethanol friendly.

pander5 · 12-03-2009, 07:48 PM

Let's hope those remaining tests fail!

ar design · 12-03-2009, 08:14 PM

Ohhh boy.

klipseracer · 12-03-2009, 08:31 PM

This link has more information, not a re-summarization.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=327477

migue90 · 12-03-2009, 09:02 PM

bastages

Qmax03 · 12-03-2009, 09:48 PM

I hope AMS comes out with a upgraded HPFP FAST !

Willizm · 12-03-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by migue90

bastages

I love that movie

Them Fargin Bastages!!!!

JakeN5 · 12-03-2009, 11:04 PM

Don't sweat yet. the EPA decided to defer that decision another year due to inputs and concerns from automakers, according to the news I've read somewhere. They want more studies done. I think it's on autoblog.

Dackz · 12-03-2009, 11:14 PM

Or BMW just needs to make a pump that works.

detrick · 12-04-2009, 08:17 AM

Just say no to E15!

That is, until we're forced to use it.

AltecBX · 12-04-2009, 08:25 AM

Why would more ethanol in our gas be bad?

BavarianBullet · 12-04-2009, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AltecBX

Why would more ethanol in our gas be bad?

quattr0 · 12-04-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BavarianBullet

Is there an official statement from NHSA or BMW, besides what your local dealers and SA told you, that it is due to the level of ethanol in US gas that causes HPFP failure? If yes, I apologize that I've missed that. If no, explain why folks with 1,500 miles and some even lesser than 1000 miles had their HPFP failed while mine failed @22k and others failed at >30k miles?

ragingclue · 12-04-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by quattr0

explain why folks with 1,500 miles and some even lesser than 1000 miles had their HPFP failed while mine failed @22k and others failed at >30k miles?

Phase separation.

F32Fleet · 12-04-2009, 04:02 PM

Tell Agribusiness, Corn Growers, and their Congressmen to fuk off and then go buy a diesel. That's what I did.

Mia335 · 12-04-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AltecBX

Why would more ethanol in our gas be bad?

That is very simple. You see the car that you are driving, well you can kiss your HPFP good bye and get ready to change your address to the dealership location. You'll be spending quite a time there.

Not all cars where designed fro this type of fuel. High performance engines, like your Bimmer, 2 stroke engines and specially watercraft engines don't work well with E85.

I am against the force raise in Ethanol. If you want to use E85 be my guess and get it but stop mixing that crap to Premium gasoline. BTW, running on E85 mix has approximately 27mpg lower average than E0 mix. You be the judge.

ragingclue · 12-04-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mia335

BTW, running on E85 mix has approximately 27mpg lower average than E0 mix. You be the judge.

Wow that's quite a difference. So if my car was running on E85, I'd be getting -2mpg on average?

Zeph · 12-07-2009, 11:57 AM

haha, pretty sure he meant 27% mpg lower :P

ragingclue · 12-07-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeph

haha, pretty sure he meant 27% mpg lower :P

Good. I was worried I was going to have to start commuting in reverse.

SlicktopTTZ · 12-07-2009, 12:17 PM

Yes running on ethanol will show a decrease of milage because it contains less energy content per gallon than gasoline, but the octane benefits (especially when used with direct injection) are just amazing when taken advantage of, which is relatively easy on turbo cars. I have seen some retrofits of turbo cars going from gas to e85 with larger injectors, fuel pump and tuning make really awesome numbers on this new "pump" gas. It is almost like racing fuel! We just need more parts that will not break down when used with ethanol.

boom · 12-07-2009, 02:20 PM

I personally don't believe the ethanol explanation from BMW regarding the HPFP failures. I heard it was one of the sensors failing and the car blowing the pump b/c the sensor wasn't telling it the right pressure. That is why you're supposed to get new pressure sensors with the HPFP replacement. IIRC it was the low pressure sensor. I also remember when cp-e was posting about experimenting with e85 in the 1addicts section. The car ran fine with up to 50% e85/50% 93 octane. They never had one hpfp problem. E15 gas would be much better for knock. I'm for it.

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SlicktopTTZ Captain 13 Rep 685 Posts Drives: 91 300ZX Twin-Turbo, 2010 135i Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Corpus Christi, Texas iTrader: (0)	Yes running on ethanol will show a decrease of milage because it contains less energy content per gallon than gasoline, but the octane benefits (especially when used with direct injection) are just amazing when taken advantage of, which is relatively easy on turbo cars. I have seen some retrofits of turbo cars going from gas to e85 with larger injectors, fuel pump and tuning make really awesome numbers on this new "pump" gas. It is almost like racing fuel! We just need more parts that will not break down when used with ethanol.
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boom My X5d tows my spec miata to the track. 77 Rep 1,254 Posts Drives: 2010 X5 35d Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	I personally don't believe the ethanol explanation from BMW regarding the HPFP failures. I heard it was one of the sensors failing and the car blowing the pump b/c the sensor wasn't telling it the right pressure. That is why you're supposed to get new pressure sensors with the HPFP replacement. IIRC it was the low pressure sensor. I also remember when cp-e was posting about experimenting with e85 in the 1addicts section. The car ran fine with up to 50% e85/50% 93 octane. They never had one hpfp problem. E15 gas would be much better for knock. I'm for it.
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