[Dackz]

So my car is my DD. Will it be as smooth as stock in terms just puttering around town? Like, 20% throttle isnt throwing me back in the seats? 40% feels like a good quick little punch. I know WOT this thing hauls (rode in one Sunday, everywhich way but traction, hahaha) but for DD use how do you guys like it? The ramping up of boost, can we keep that a bit more stock like but with the throttle response of the V4? I guess somethings I am asking might not be out yet due to being user adjustable.

Like I have figured, I know each tune out there will be fast when its WOT, but daily drivin and such I want to know how this stuff will be do. I dont want a tune that I have to drive like I have an egg under my pedal because it has too much tq or power. Hopes this makes sense, I want to keep my DD driveability with a little quicker throttle response and when I want to get on it good, it goes well. Hope this question makes sense to everyone.

Tax return is coming in a couple weeks and Im still not sure what tune I want to run. I may end up having to buy both with their trials, we'll see on that.

[jpsimon]

V4 is mind-blowingly smooth and controllable. One thing Shiv has been working on is overall drivability, and it shows. Just give it a whirl and you'll see (every major tuner has has a money-back guarantee, although you won't be giving back the v4).

[rooster3.0]

Get a V4.

[huyner328]

I would say buy both and see which one YOU personally like better. Both tunes are extremely suitable for daily driving.

[mwahlert]

v4 in a word.... amazing.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by Dackz

So my car is my DD. Will it be as smooth as stock in terms just puttering around town? Like, 20% throttle isnt throwing me back in the seats? 40% feels like a good quick little punch. I know WOT this thing hauls (rode in one Sunday, everywhich way but traction, hahaha) but for DD use how do you guys like it? The ramping up of boost, can we keep that a bit more stock like but with the throttle response of the V4? I guess somethings I am asking might not be out yet due to being user adjustable.

Like I have figured, I know each tune out there will be fast when its WOT, but daily drivin and such I want to know how this stuff will be do. I dont want a tune that I have to drive like I have an egg under my pedal because it has too much tq or power. Hopes this makes sense, I want to keep my DD driveability with a little quicker throttle response and when I want to get on it good, it goes well. Hope this question makes sense to everyone.

Tax return is coming in a couple weeks and Im still not sure what tune I want to run. I may end up having to buy both with their trials, we'll see on that.

As far as the JB3 is concerned, just adjust the throttle gain under global settings from 0-100% to your liking. Default is 60%.

Mike

[OpenFlash]

Boost and throttle response adjustables are fine. But only as good as the underlying torque targeting logic. And without ignition timing control, forget about getting partial throttle drivability anything close to what it could be.

A 2 minute test drive in both systems will demonstrate this. The v4 user adjustable throttle and boost response settings aren't even active yet. Turns out when your tune does exactly what your right foot asks it to do, you don't need any of those band aids.

Just my 2c,
Shiv

[mwahlert]

seriously, it needs to be felt to be understood just how good v4 is.

i find myself smiling when driving this car, like i did when i first got it.

and this is coming from a 26 year old who gets bored VERY quickly.... the 335 is my 13th vehicle.

[enrita]

Check out Giac stage 1 flash as well. Doesnt get smoother and trouble free than that.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by enrita

Check out Giac stage 1 flash as well. Doesnt get smoother and trouble free than that.

Easy to offer smooth performance, when you limit power, castrate boost response and compromise dynamic throttle control. The tough part is to offer both smoothness and slam when the foot goes down. The latter is what has/is missing in all the flashes we have tested/benchmarked.

Shiv

[supracg]

^ hahah "castrate" boost response

[enrita]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Easy to offer smooth performance, when you limit power, castrate boost response and compromise dynamic throttle control. The tough part is to offer both smoothness and slam when the foot goes down. The latter is what has/is missing in all the flashes we have tested/benchmarked.

Shiv

keep on bashing any other tunes beside the one you sell Shiv.
Really mature marketing strategy...

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by enrita

keep on bashing any other tunes beside the one you sell Shiv.
Really mature marketing strategy...

Don't mistake being factual for bashing. I know it's hard to distinguish the two at times when you don't have the knowledge or experience.

[inthemiddle]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Don't mistake being factual for bashing. I know it's hard to distinguish the two at times when you don't have the knowledge or experience.

First... I will admit to never having driven a JB car...

I have had a procede from the start... and from what I understand in HOW THEY WORK, both the JB and the pre-V4 procedes had many similarities (we'll ignore that whole ignition correction thing, not getting into that, been discussed/proved elsewhere)...

Now... What i can say, is with V4, it's night and day over V3.... the new methods used to control the car are amazing....

I can only assume that the JB, based on methods similar to wha pre-v4 used would not feel the same....

As others have said.. buy both, return the one you don't like.... but i'd put my money on 90% of the people liking V4 better.... response is incredible...

as far as shiv's comments... well... it's a silly debate over and over and over... Mike touts the latest JB, and Shiv points out why he thinks V4 is better with technical facts... ...

is he biased, of course he is.... he wouldn't be in business if he wasn't...
is that immature.. i don't think so...... he makes a great product.....

instead of bashing him for pointing out why the V4 is better... why don't people give the V4 a try, it's not like the JB costs so much it would kill them to switch if they liked it better... .. where's all the fear come from ?

[yandy]

Agreed, and we all get something out of his technical expertise. There's no need to come and say, well of course it does this, because it doesn't do that...

Why not, try mine, it does this (this way), gives you what you're looking for and so on and so on... with out ever touching someone else's product... But I guess that's the way to do business now a days. My product is good and your sucks for this and this... or at least that's what it looks like.

Plus I get a kick out of all these threads.. it never stops. I think this is and another thread something about speed delimit is the first time that I get involved.. lol

Originally Posted by inthemiddle

First... I will admit to never having driven a JB car...

I have had a procede from the start... and from what I understand in HOW THEY WORK, both the JB and the pre-V4 procedes had many similarities (we'll ignore that whole ignition correction thing, not getting into that, been discussed/proved elsewhere)...

Now... What i can say, is with V4, it's night and day over V3.... the new methods used to control the car are amazing....

I can only assume that the JB, based on methods similar to wha pre-v4 used would not feel the same....

As others have said.. buy both, return the one you don't like.... but i'd put my money on 90% of the people liking V4 better.... response is incredible...

as far as shiv's comments... well... it's a silly debate over and over and over... Mike touts the latest JB, and Shiv points out why he thinks V4 is better with technical facts... ...

is he biased, of course he is.... he wouldn't be in business if he wasn't...
is that immature.. i don't think so...... he makes a great product.....

instead of bashing him for pointing out why the V4 is better... why don't people give the V4 a try, it's not like the JB costs so much it would kill them to switch if they liked it better... .. where's all the fear come from ?

[Dackz]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Boost and throttle response adjustables are fine. But only as good as the underlying torque targeting logic. And without ignition timing control, forget about getting partial throttle drivability anything close to what it could be.

A 2 minute test drive in both systems will demonstrate this. The v4 user adjustable throttle and boost response settings aren't even active yet. Turns out when your tune does exactly what your right foot asks it to do, you don't need any of those band aids.

Just my 2c,
Shiv

When you do you expect these active Shiv?

Thanks for all the replies. I appreciate the feedback, keep it on coming and maybe post up a few videos of DD style use with 20% throttle in 3rd gear, 40%ish in 5th gear, going from 20-100% in 3rd gear at say 3k rpms, things of the like. That would help too.

Mike, when will JB3 2.0 be out of beta or sold with beta and when will the adjustables be rolled out?

[Dackz]

Originally Posted by yandyr

Agreed, and we all get something out of his technical expertise. There's no need to come and say, well of course it does this, because it doesn't do that...

Why not, try mine, it does this (this way), gives you what you're looking for and so on and so on... with out ever touching someone else's product... But I guess that's the way to do business now a days. My product is good and your sucks for this and this... or at least that's what it looks like.

Plus I get a kick out of all these threads.. it never stops. I think this is and another thread something about speed delimit is the first time that I get involved.. lol

It is hard to get an unbiased opinion on this subject, yes. But I do enjoy the details of each that brought to the table.

What would be great is if we could get some people who drive high tq v8's, like Vettes or GT500's and put them in the seats of 2 cars with same mods and tell them to have a go with it not telling them which tune is in either. Blind mod tasting Then they tell us what one is better in their opinion of DD feel, overall feel, raw power, upper RPM power, etc. I think everyone wants to see that, at least those of us camped on the fence, not camped in one camp or the either.

[huyner328]

C'mon man... hahahahah, let's be real, you can be factual and bash at the same time. You don't need to CONSTANTLY STATE that your tune is better because of XYZ, if it truly is far superior... it will show over time. Do you have any idea how annoying it would be if every vendor in the history of the tuning world was like Shiv?

I've driven both and I honestly can't say that there was enough evidence of either tune being superior to each other so for my time's sake, I didn't change tunes.

If and when I decide to change tunes, it'll be a GIAC flash.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Boost and throttle response adjustables are fine. But only as good as the underlying torque targeting logic. And without ignition timing control, forget about getting partial throttle drivability anything close to what it could be.

A 2 minute test drive in both systems will demonstrate this. The v4 user adjustable throttle and boost response settings aren't even active yet. Turns out when your tune does exactly what your right foot asks it to do, you don't need any of those band aids.

Just my 2c,
Shiv

At some point hopefully there will be a technical discussion between you and BMS on the differences in boost control, between the JB3's fully integrated approach, and the V4/CPE stand alone approach.

Regardless I would strongly suggest the OP try both systems and pick the one he feels offers the best performance, drivability, value, etc. It is as simple as that.

Mike

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by Dackz

When you do you expect these active Shiv?

Thanks for all the replies. I appreciate the feedback, keep it on coming and maybe post up a few videos of DD style use with 20% throttle in 3rd gear, 40%ish in 5th gear, going from 20-100% in 3rd gear at say 3k rpms, things of the like. That would help too.

Mike, when will JB3 2.0 be out of beta or sold with beta and when will the adjustables be rolled out?

You can order today with 2.0 beta preloaded if you'd like. Send me a PM and we can get you sorted.

Mike

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

At some point hopefully there will be a technical discussion between you and BMS on the differences in boost control, between the JB3's fully integrated approach, and the V4/CPE stand alone approach.
Regardless I would strongly suggest the OP try both systems and pick the one he feels offers the best performance, drivability, value, etc. It is as simple as that.

Mike

wasnt that already attempted last week? CP-e wasnt involved though, nor will they be it seems.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Boost and throttle response adjustables are fine. But only as good as the underlying torque targeting logic. And without ignition timing control, forget about getting partial throttle drivability anything close to what it could be.

A 2 minute test drive in both systems will demonstrate this. The v4 user adjustable throttle and boost response settings aren't even active yet. Turns out when your tune does exactly what your right foot asks it to do, you don't need any of those band aids.

Just my 2c,
Shiv

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Easy to offer smooth performance, when you limit power, castrate boost response and compromise dynamic throttle control. The tough part is to offer both smoothness and slam when the foot goes down. The latter is what has/is missing in all the flashes we have tested/benchmarked.

Shiv

Wow your're on a roll today

Is this part of your marketing plan? cause its not working.