BHP Question

ECBMW · 02-05-2010, 04:16 AM

Just wondering about this (Saloon):

318D - 1995cc - BHP 143
320D - 1995cc - BHP 177

So BMW have limited the 1.8D. What would happen if the 1.8D would be remapped, what BHP would it have? Same question for the 2.0D, what BHP would it have?

Theyre both same size engines so surely the 1.8D should be able to meet the maximum BHP for the 2.0D? If not, why not?

Thanks

foxy-367 · 02-05-2010, 04:37 AM

The 318 and 320 although the same block have different injectors I believe so it wouldn't be as simple as chipping to match performance.

Have look here for BHP increases for both as a guide:

http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/

BanziBarn · 02-05-2010, 04:58 AM

Yeah, I think this is a common misconception. That that same engines are actually only different in regards to the software.

It's the same story in the VAG world, they have quite a few different power outputs from their engines, such as the 2.0T in the golf gti, cupra, s3 etc......

xenon · 02-05-2010, 06:47 AM

Also the camshafts are different between the 318 and 320. The only car I know of where the changes between the "1.8t" and the "2.0t" was purely software (both 2.0 turbo engines) is the Saab 9-3.

ECBMW · 02-05-2010, 07:40 AM

Is this the same between all BMW series or just the 3?

xenon · 02-05-2010, 08:07 AM

all.

E92Fan · 02-05-2010, 10:47 AM

This has been covered before - a quick search and you'll find this thread -

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295039

And within that thread, you find specifically this bit -

Quote:

The main engine and mechanical differences between the 320d and 318d are basically as follows:

Larger, uprated turbo charger in 320d
Larger, more efficient intercooler on 320d
ECU mapping
Uprated fuel injectors on 320d
Uprated manual gearbox on 320d, with higher torque capacity and longer ratios
312x24mm front brake discs on 320d (as opposed to 300x24mm on 318d)

MOB · 02-05-2010, 04:30 PM

I have a 118d and my wife has a 120d

The 120d is considerably more muscular, the 118d feels restricted by comparison - still a good engine though.

My 118d has now been remapped to 183bhp - it is a slight fraction quicker than the 120d now, however the 120d still feels more muscular, but the remapped 118d is much more free-revving and "zippy"

HTH

02-05-2010, 04:16 AM	#1
ECBMW Second Lieutenant 34 Rep 223 Posts Drives: Metallic Grey M Sport Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newcastle iTrader: (0)	BHP Question Just wondering about this (Saloon): 318D - 1995cc - BHP 143 320D - 1995cc - BHP 177 So BMW have limited the 1.8D. What would happen if the 1.8D would be remapped, what BHP would it have? Same question for the 2.0D, what BHP would it have? Theyre both same size engines so surely the 1.8D should be able to meet the maximum BHP for the 2.0D? If not, why not? Thanks
	Appreciate 0 Tweet Quote

02-05-2010, 04:37 AM	#2
foxy-367 Lieutenant 6 Rep 448 Posts Drives: 320d M-Sport Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: North West iTrader: (0)	The 318 and 320 although the same block have different injectors I believe so it wouldn't be as simple as chipping to match performance. Have look here for BHP increases for both as a guide: http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/ __________________ Now - E90 320d M Sport, Le Mans Blue, sun protection glass, Auto lights and wipers, 193M, a big grin Previous - Seat Leon FR, Golf Gttdi (x2), Mk3 Fiesta SI, E30 318i Peugeot 205 Roland Garros, Mk2 Fiesta Ghia (it had a rev counter!!!!)
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-05-2010, 04:58 AM	#3
BanziBarn Lieutenant Colonel 110 Rep 1,800 Posts Drives: BMW 330D E90 LCI Msport Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: London iTrader: (0)	Yeah, I think this is a common misconception. That that same engines are actually only different in regards to the software. It's the same story in the VAG world, they have quite a few different power outputs from their engines, such as the 2.0T in the golf gti, cupra, s3 etc...... __________________ Black 330d E90 LCI M Sport Saloon Auto. Privacy Glass, Cream Leather, 6FL, I-Drive/Nav/Bluetooth, Alpine hifi upgrade.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-05-2010, 06:47 AM	#4
xenon Major General 1469 Rep 8,199 Posts Drives: 2021 G21 330i M-Sport Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Coventry iTrader: (0)	Also the camshafts are different between the 318 and 320. The only car I know of where the changes between the "1.8t" and the "2.0t" was purely software (both 2.0 turbo engines) is the Saab 9-3. __________________ Ian Current: 2021 G21 330i M-Sport Previous: 2018 A6 Avant S-Line MMI+, 2014 F31 320d M-Sport, 2013 F10 520d M-Sport, 2011 F10 530d M-Sport, 2008 320i M-Sport Coupe, 2002 325i, 2001 318i valvetronic, 1998 318i, 1996 525i, 1990 Porsche 944S2
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-05-2010, 07:40 AM	#5
ECBMW Second Lieutenant 34 Rep 223 Posts Drives: Metallic Grey M Sport Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newcastle iTrader: (0)	Is this the same between all BMW series or just the 3?
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-05-2010, 08:07 AM	#6
xenon Major General 1469 Rep 8,199 Posts Drives: 2021 G21 330i M-Sport Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Coventry iTrader: (0)	all. __________________ Ian Current: 2021 G21 330i M-Sport Previous: 2018 A6 Avant S-Line MMI+, 2014 F31 320d M-Sport, 2013 F10 520d M-Sport, 2011 F10 530d M-Sport, 2008 320i M-Sport Coupe, 2002 325i, 2001 318i valvetronic, 1998 318i, 1996 525i, 1990 Porsche 944S2
	Appreciate 0 Quote

02-05-2010, 04:30 PM	#8
MOB Major 59 Rep 1,413 Posts Drives: Alpine White M2 LCI Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northants UK iTrader: (4)	I have a 118d and my wife has a 120d The 120d is considerably more muscular, the 118d feels restricted by comparison - still a good engine though. My 118d has now been remapped to 183bhp - it is a slight fraction quicker than the 120d now, however the 120d still feels more muscular, but the remapped 118d is much more free-revving and "zippy" HTH __________________
	Appreciate 0 Quote