[AltecBX]

Can both be run a fully stock car?

What are the advantages of one over the other?

To run nitrous, methanol seems to be mandatory running on pump gas (91 or 93 octane) but what about when you use 100 unleaded octane?

[coolingmist]

They are 2 different things. Comparing the two is like comparing drag radials to an intercooler.

Nitrous will wear on the engine, it will be sure to give you more power as well. Methanol is more of a safety mod that gets you more power either via the tune (supporting the tune to where it could not boost without the meth) or via advancing timing and cooling through efficiency. Methanol injection is one of the only mods that can extend the life of your engine and will certainly not add wear to it.


You can run methanol on a stock engine no problem, I will leave the Nitrous answer to the experts.

CM

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by AltecBX

Can both be run a fully stock car?

What are the advantages of one over the other?

To run nitrous, methanol seems to be mandatory running on pump gas (91 or 93 octane) but what about when you use 100 unleaded octane?

Nitrous is what you get when you have everything else, enjoy drag racing, but are too cheap to buy larger turbos. Remember with nitrous it costs $40 to fill the bottle and that's only going to last a few 1/4 mile runs. Maybe 5-6 depending on your jetting. Here's a good rule of thumb to know if nitrous is for you. If you don't have a set of K1 rims with Hoosier slicks sitting in your garage then nitrous isn't for you.

Mike

[Donald-335i]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Nitrous is what you get when you have everything else, enjoy drag racing, but are too cheap to buy larger turbos. Remember with nitrous it costs $40 to fill the bottle and that's only going to last a few 1/4 mile runs. Maybe 5-6 depending on your jetting. Here's a good rule of thumb to know if nitrous is for you. If you don't have a set of K1 rims with Hoosier slicks sitting in your garage then nitrous isn't for you.

Mike

thank god i do!

[Kevin@AKMotorwerk]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Nitrous is what you get when you have everything else, enjoy drag racing, but are too cheap to buy larger turbos. Remember with nitrous it costs $40 to fill the bottle and that's only going to last a few 1/4 mile runs. Maybe 5-6 depending on your jetting. Here's a good rule of thumb to know if nitrous is for you. If you don't have a set of K1 rims with Hoosier slicks sitting in your garage then nitrous isn't for you.

Mike

AND a spare set of cv axles

[ar design]

Originally Posted by coolingmist

Nitrous will wear on the engine

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by ar design

lol!!

Andrew I am going to have to hit you up soon for the NOS elbow...You have those in stock? Dont want to wait too long!

[AltecBX]

I'll leave the slicks for you guys in the warmer weather. I'm up in NY but wanted to have that extra kick when someone pulls up next to me from time to time. I don't want to want to stage my car to stage 3 and then add meth and nitro. I wanted to leave my car as is, and just add methanol & nitrous.

[Mr. 5]

Nitrous acts as a fuel for the engine.
Meth acts as a cooling agent for the intake.

Meth is good for our engines.
It cleans the valves and it cools the IATs.
Nitrous is like a bomb waiting to go off.
If the bomb goes off at the right time then you're happy.
Sometimes, the bomb goes off at the wrong time and you will be sad.

[BlueLion]

i have a lot to learn

[Donald-335i]

aaa naws goes boom boom wallet goes slim slim...

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

Nitrous acts as a fuel for the engine.
Meth acts as a cooling agent for the intake.

Meth is good for our engines.
It cleans the valves and it cools the IATs.
Nitrous is like a bomb waiting to go off.
If the bomb goes off at the right time then you're happy.
Sometimes, the bomb goes off at the wrong time and you will be sad.

while I agree with some of the statements, if NOS is used with safety features and specific targets of when to spray the bomb will always go off when its suppose to! Procede has access to all the data to determine when its safe to spray for the engine, and I am confident Shiv will make it as safe as possible for NOS

[Former_Boosted_IS]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

Nitrous acts as a fuel for the engine.
Meth acts as a cooling agent for the intake.

Meth is good for our engines.
It cleans the valves and it cools the IATs.
Nitrous is like a bomb waiting to go off.
If the bomb goes off at the right time then you're happy.
Sometimes, the bomb goes off at the wrong time and you will be sad.

Nothing personal, but that is the worst statement you have ever made Mr. 5 and I consider you are very educated guy. Nitrous is not fuel. NO2 breaks down in the combustion chamber to nitrogen and oxygen. It allows you to add more oxygen for the combustion process plain and simple. In the case of the dry shot, the DME detects the added oxygen and raises the necessary fuel accordingly. Nitrous also cools the charge just like methanol by absorbing heat during the phase change.

Methanol is fuel and also does cool charge temps as well.

People that say nitrous blows up engines should also say turbos will blow up your engine too. The car could care less where the cylinder pressure or O2 comes from. Nitrous isn't even flamable. The whole analogy is almost Fast and Furious funny.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

Nothing personal, but that is the worst statement you have ever made Mr. 5 and I consider you are very educated guy. Nitrous is not fuel. NO2 breaks down in the combustion chamber to nitrogen and oxygen. It allows you to add more oxygen for the combustion process plain and simple. In the case of the dry shot, the DME detects the added oxygen and raises the necessary fuel accordingly. Nitrous also cools the charge just like methanol by absorbing heat during the phase change.

Methanol is fuel and also does cool charge temps as well.

People that say nitrous blows up engines should also say turbos will blow up your engine too. The car could care less where the cylinder pressure or O2 comes from. Nitrous isn't even flamable. The whole analogy is almost Fast and Furious funny.

Notice the verb "acts". I did not say "is".
You might not like my statement, but I do.

The reason why nitrous gets such a cringed feeling around here is because there are many that throw on a tank of nitrous without knowing what they are doing, and they have just made a time bomb for their engine, especially when people get a 25 shot for their N54 thinking that it is a 25 shot when it actually is a 100 shot or more.

[Former_Boosted_IS]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

Notice the verb "acts". I did not say "is".
You might not like my statement, but I do.

The reason why nitrous gets such a cringed feeling around here is because there are many that throw on a tank of nitrous without knowing what they are doing, and they have just made a time bomb for their engine, especially when people get a 25 shot for their N54 thinking that it is a 25 shot when it actually is a 100 shot or more.

That information is simply inaccurate. So are you saying that if you have a 0.028 jet on two different cars that somehow twice the nitrous is going in the engine on our car than any other car because our car makes more power?

Clearly you have a bias which is ok, but your information is simply not even remotely accurate. How is this different then throwing a tune on your car? Some run a map that is not appropriate for their mods. How is this different than throwing a flamable fluid in your trunk or in your windshield washer tank? What makes something safe is the safety mechanisms... period. Any mod done wrong is dangerous.

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

That information is simply inaccurate. So are you saying that if you have a 0.028 jet that somehow more nitrous is going in the engine on our car than any other car because our car makes more power?

Clearly you have a bias which is ok, but your information is simply not even remotely accurate. How is this different then throwing a tune on your car? Some run a map that is not appropriate for their mods. How is this different than throwing a flamable fluid in your trunk or in your windshield washer tank? What makes things safe is the safety mechanisms period. Any mod done wrong is dangerous.

+1 Any mod is dangerous if its installed wrong, or the user error!

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by AltecBX

I'll leave the slicks for you guys in the warmer weather. I'm up in NY but wanted to have that extra kick when someone pulls up next to me from time to time. I don't want to want to stage my car to stage 3 and then add meth and nitro. I wanted to leave my car as is, and just add methanol & nitrous.

It doesn't sound like nitrous is for you. Unless you have a remote bottle opener (another $150-200) you'll have to manually pop the trunk and open the bottle before using and close the bottle shortly after. Plus I'd strongly suggest downpipes as a bare minimum for nitrous use.

Mike

[AltecBX]

Thanks Mike. I was looking forward to have this setup before the summertime. It's my last year with the car. I think I'll pass on nitrous then this time around for the duration of this car. I'll try to educate myself as time passes by as you guys from both party's are working wonders and posting progress on the forums.

Thanks again.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

That information is simply inaccurate. So are you saying that if you have a 0.028 jet on two different cars that somehow twice the nitrous is going in the engine on our car than any other car because our car makes more power?

No, what I am saying is that a 25 shot on a naturally aspirated car is aprox 25 hp. A 25 shot on the N54 is NOT 25 hp. I'm not talking about how much nitrous is going in the engine. I'm talking about nitrous going into an NA engine compared to nitrous going into an engine that is also compressing at 14-15 psi.


Going back to my "acting as a fuel" statement.
I agree with your statment below:
It allows you to add more oxygen for the combustion process

But, I'd like to tell you where I'm coming from.
If a fire is started in a room then the fire will burn until all of the oxygen is consumed in the room and then it will try to suck as much oxygen through the cracks as possible. In this case, the oxygen is acting as a fuel for the fire. No oxygen means no fire.
If a door is opened then all of the oxygen from the outside is consumed and boom!
Nitrous acts as the same in the engine but it lets even more oxygen feed the fire.

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

Clearly you have a bias which is ok, but your information is simply not even remotely accurate. How is this different then throwing a tune on your car? Some run a map that is not appropriate for their mods. How is this different than throwing a flamable fluid in your trunk or in your windshield washer tank? What makes something safe is the safety mechanisms... period. Any mod done wrong is dangerous.

I think there's a huge difference!
I have a mixture of 50/50 meth/water in my windshield washer tank which is not flamable. Compare that to your nitrous tank in the trunk which is under pressure.
And, common man...you cannot compare throwing on a tune to putting nitrous on your car. How many people here have put on a piggyback and have wired it incorectly where they threw CELs? Or, how many people have had their boost too high which triggered limp modes?
Correct the wires, reset the codes and then you're fine.

It's so easy to find a used kit off of ebay, and throw it on your car.
I can see it...Someone sees a 75 shot kit so they get it thinking that they're adding 75 hp to their N54.

I think what you have on your car is more promissing and makes me feel a little more comfortable but time will tell. No matter what, it looks like you've done your homework.

[ar design]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

lol!!

Andrew I am going to have to hit you up soon for the NOS elbow...You have those in stock? Dont want to wait too long!

Sure do!

[Former_Boosted_IS]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

No, what I am saying is that a 25 shot on a naturally aspirated car is aprox 25 hp. A 25 shot on the N54 is NOT 25 hp. I'm not talking about how much nitrous is going in the engine. I'm talking about nitrous going into an NA engine compared to nitrous going into an engine that is also compressing at 14-15 psi.


Going back to my "acting as a fuel" statement.
I agree with your statment below:
It allows you to add more oxygen for the combustion process

But, I'd like to tell you where I'm coming from.
If a fire is started in a room then the fire will burn until all of the oxygen is consumed in the room and then it will try to suck as much oxygen through the cracks as possible. In this case, the oxygen is acting as a fuel for the fire. No oxygen means no fire.
If a door is opened then all of the oxygen from the outside is consumed and boom!
Nitrous acts as the same in the engine but it lets even more oxygen feed the fire.



I think there's a huge difference!
I have a mixture of 50/50 meth/water in my windshield washer tank which is not flamable. Compare that to your nitrous tank in the trunk which is under pressure.
And, common man...you cannot compare throwing on a tune to putting nitrous on your car. How many people here have put on a piggyback and have wired it incorectly where they threw CELs? Or, how many people have had their boost too high which triggered limp modes?
Correct the wires, reset the codes and then you're fine.

It's so easy to find a used kit off of ebay, and throw it on your car.
I can see it...Someone sees a 75 shot kit so they get it thinking that they're adding 75 hp to their N54.

I think what you have on your car is more promissing and makes me feel a little more comfortable but time will tell. No matter what, it looks like you've done your homework.

Mr. 5, I do appreciate that. I have emphacized from day 1 that there is only one way to do this and that is with a high degree of safety. When I ventured down this path, I did so apprehensively. I only moved forward as I felt the testing showed favorable results. When it comes to safet, I don't think this is an option but a must. What I feel is needed is a window switch, TPS switch, time delay assuring methanol is present in the chamber before the nitrous sprays, progressive jetting to eliminate torque spiking, and A/F safety cutoff. Nitrous Express specifically developed their NX Lightning series solenoids with progressive spraying in mind. The old days of failing solenoids or open solenoids have been greatly reduced by their forward thinking engineering. Mike Abney of Nitrous Express stated it this way:

NX specifically designed their Lightning solenoids to handle the demands of a progressive controller. NX Solenoids use an industrial grade Teflon which does not cut, like the rubber used in the previously mentioned competitors solenoids. Additionally, the Teflon sealing material in the NX Lightning solenoids is spring loaded so the inertia of the closing piston does not slam the sealing material into the seat. Lastly, NX Lightning solenoids have a high amp magnet that makes the solenoid open very quickly. This allows the Lightning solenoid to accurately control the nitrous at lower percentages on the progressive controller. The previous features along with a few more trade secrets, make NX Lightning solenoids the best choice for use with a progressive.

I may post this is another thread, but Nitrous Express has gone far above and beyond the Fast and The Furious days of nitrous and made it into a safety filled option that many can consider.

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

Mr. 5, I do appreciate that. I have emphacized from day 1 that there is only one way to do this and that is with a high degree of safety. When I ventured down this path, I did so apprehensively. I only moved forward as I felt the testing showed favorable results. When it comes to safet, I don't think this is an option but a must. What I feel is needed is a window switch, TPS switch, time delay assuring methanol is present in the chamber before the nitrous sprays, progressive jetting to eliminate torque spiking, and A/F safety cutoff. Nitrous Express specifically developed their NX Lightning series solenoids with progressive spraying in mind. The old days of failing solenoids or open solenoids have been greatly reduced by their forward thinking engineering. Mike Abney of Nitrous Express stated it this way:.

All those safety features that you have implemented on your car seems to be covered by the Procede tune being that its able to read all those Canbus data and convert it to a safe trigger to turn the solenoid for the NOS! Thats one reason why I am so looking forward to getting it, and I would not need to spend for all those extra precautions that you have on your NOS system...It would have been too much money for me! If I can get away spending just 500-600 on a fully functionable and SAFE nos system, I am happy Thanks to Shiv and the Procede, it looks as though it can happen possibly!