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| 04-06-2010, 01:41 PM | #1 |
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Help...engine shaking.
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Quick questions for all of you. I was just doing my first wash of my 335 and while trying to make the car look absolutely gorgeous I decided to clean the exhaust tips, but my cousin thought it would be wise to spray water in both exhaust tips. Now, the engine shutters when it starts, and shakes when at idle throwing a SES light. What should I do? Let it run to purge the water? |
| 04-06-2010, 02:41 PM | #4 |
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I can't imagine that water worked its way up to the sensors.. I would let it run and evaporate and see what happens.
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| 04-06-2010, 02:43 PM | #5 |
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How much water are we talking here? I am no mechanic or engineer, but I am not sure a little spray of water would cause the symptoms you describe. I would think the only thing the water could have really damaged is the catalytic converter.
Most people have had the shaking symptom as a result of bad injectors - do a search. Could just be a coincidence that the injectors went at the same time as this cousin of yours had his bright idea. |
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| 04-06-2010, 02:50 PM | #6 |
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I turned the car on to take it out of the garage, and everything was perfect.
We started to wash the car, then I went inside to get another sponge. Meanwhile he said he sticked the hose in each tailpipe for a few seconds. I then freaked out, turned on the engine, and had the most gut wrenching feeling when the car threw a SES light. The car shakes when the AC is off, but when on it idles semi-normal. Exhaust was throwing out some water, but that has stopped. I'm just hoping that the heat from the exhaust will evaporate the water sooner rather than later and that nothing is damaged. |
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| 04-06-2010, 03:44 PM | #7 |
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It was a really silly move by your cousin. You may want to stick the hose into his tailpipe and let it flow for an hour. Hopefully nothing is damaged and it will clear itself. In worts case a treatment like this may fill cylinders with water and bend the connecting rods. Good luck though and hopefully it turns out well for you.
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| 04-06-2010, 03:54 PM | #9 |
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Just leave the car running.
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| 04-06-2010, 04:00 PM | #10 | |
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Will the SES light disappear on it's own, or do I have to clear it with the BT for it to go away? |
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| 04-06-2010, 04:07 PM | #11 |
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Check with BT cable and clear codes if possible. Perhaps some O2 sensor is damaged. They are heated to 700 Deg C or something like that during cold-start and may not like being water filled.
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| 04-06-2010, 04:53 PM | #13 |
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Is this thread real?
You gotta be shitting me!!!!! Hose in tail pipe for a few seconds! WTH was he thinking!!!???
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| 04-06-2010, 05:11 PM | #14 |
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I dunno dude...moment of stupidity I guess.
I've had it running for a total of 1 hour...should I let it keep going or call it quits and call BMW? I really really don't want to get a huge bill for this. |
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| 04-06-2010, 05:25 PM | #15 |
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for what is worth,
good chance he filled up the mufflers with water .. and so, it might take a little while for it to clear out.. if the 02 sensor is getting a lot or water vapor around it it may be setting a fault for readiness.. if its temporary, the light will go away, if the sensor has been damaged, then the fault will not clear with out replacing the defective part.. that will be a hard one to explain to your local service department .. maybe have your cousin explain the logic behind it ..  |
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| 04-06-2010, 06:21 PM | #17 |
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Have u revd the engine or just let it idle? I would call BMW. Is it possible for the engine to seize? Last idea of mine, water causing weak sparks, blow the water out of the recesses?
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| 04-06-2010, 06:25 PM | #18 |
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I'm about to check the codes now....lets hope for the best.
I don't even want to know what was going through his mind. He feels worse than I do about it so I'm keeping cool. The car is drivable, only really slow because of the limp. |
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| 04-06-2010, 06:39 PM | #19 |
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Heres what the BT tool says:
Short Test MSD80/MSD81 Engine module for N54 Current Fault Codes 2F6C: 2F6C Exhaust fumeflap, input signal Error will not cause a warning light Error is not currently present Test conditions have been completed Timeout Freeze Frame Information Event 1Odometer 176kms 109miles Speed 0.00 km/h time since start end 0.00 s pedal sensor 1 0.00 % voltage Kl. 87 0.00 V Event 2Odometer 176kms 109miles Speed 0.00 km/h time since start end 0.00 s pedal sensor 1 0.00 % voltage Kl. 87 12.09 V Event 3Odometer 240kms 149miles Speed 0.00 km/h time since start end 0.00 s pedal sensor 1 0.00 % voltage Kl. 87 12.19 V 2E9F: 2E9F Oil condition sensor Error will not cause a warning light Error is not currently present Test conditions have been completed Freeze Frame Information Event 1Odometer 536kms 333miles Engine speed 1,536.00 rpm motor status 3.00 0-n status motor control 2.00 0-n voltage Kl. 87 14.02 V 2A82: 2A82 Inlet-Vanos variable cam control test Error will cause a warning light Error is not currently present Test conditions have been completed Freeze Frame Information Event 1Odometer 904kms 561miles Engine speed 0.00 rpm camshaft inlet 60.00 °CRK camshaft inlet nominal value 60.00 °CRK Engine temperature -48.00 °C Event 2Odometer 904kms 561miles Engine speed 928.00 rpm camshaft inlet 71.25 °CRK camshaft inlet nominal value 113.25 °CRK Engine temperature 41.25 °C Event 3Odometer 904kms 561miles Engine speed 832.00 rpm camshaft inlet 70.50 °CRK camshaft inlet nominal value 113.25 °CRK Engine temperature 105.75 °C 3100: 3100 boost-pressure control, deactivation Error will not cause a warning light Error is not currently present Test conditions have been completed 29CD: 29CD Misfirings, cylinder 1 Error will cause a warning light Error is not currently present Test conditions have been completed Timeout Freeze Frame Information Event 1Odometer 904kms 561miles Engine temperature -48.00 °C load value for misfire detection 40.63 % Engine speed 640.00 rpm Lambda integrator group 1 16.41 % Event 2Odometer 904kms 561miles Engine temperature 108.75 °C load value for misfire detection 21.88 % Engine speed 800.00 rpm Lambda integrator group 1 33.59 % 29CF: 29CF Misfirings, cylinder 3 Error will cause a warning light Error is not currently present Test conditions have been completed Signal or value below threshold Freeze Frame Information Event 1Odometer 904kms 561miles Engine temperature -48.00 °C load value for misfire detection 0.00 % Engine speed 0.00 rpm Lambda integrator group 1 -100.00 % Event 2Odometer 904kms 561miles Engine temperature 108.75 °C load value for misfire detection 21.88 % Engine speed 800.00 rpm Lambda integrator group 1 33.59 % Event 3Odometer 904kms 561miles Engine temperature 91.50 °C load value for misfire detection 30.86 % Engine speed 864.00 rpm Lambda integrator group 1 0.00 % 29CC: 29CC Misfirings, several cylinders Error will cause a warning light Error is not currently present Test conditions have been completed Signal or value below threshold Freeze Frame Information Event 1Odometer 904kms 561miles ambient temperature -48.00 °C rail pressure 0.00 hPa voltage Kl. 87 0.00 V counter recognition bad road 0.00 - Event 2Odometer 904kms 561miles ambient temperature 23.25 °C rail pressure 47,548.12 hPa voltage Kl. 87 13.61 V counter recognition bad road 0.00 - Event 3Odometer 904kms 561miles ambient temperature 23.25 °C rail pressure 51,623.67 hPa voltage Kl. 87 14.42 V counter recognition bad road 0.00 - 29D2: 29D2 Misfirings, cylinder 6 Error will cause a warning light Error is not currently present Test conditions have been completed Signal or value below threshold Freeze Frame Information Event 1Odometer 904kms 561miles Engine temperature -48.00 °C load value for misfire detection 21.88 % Engine speed 800.00 rpm Lambda integrator group 2 33.59 % Event 2Odometer 904kms 561miles Engine temperature 94.50 °C load value for misfire detection 27.34 % Engine speed 800.00 rpm Lambda integrator group 2 22.66 % 29CE: 29CE Misfirings, cylinder 2 Error will cause a warning light Error is not currently present Test conditions have been completed Signal or value below threshold Freeze Frame Information Event 1Odometer 904kms 561miles Engine temperature -48.00 °C load value for misfire detection 21.88 % Engine speed 800.00 rpm Lambda integrator group 1 33.59 % Event 2Odometer 904kms 561miles Engine temperature 91.50 °C load value for misfire detection 30.86 % Engine speed 864.00 rpm Lambda integrator group 1 0.00 % 29D0: 29D0 Misfirings, cylinder 4 Error will cause a warning light Error is not currently present Test conditions have been completed Signal or value below threshold Freeze Frame Information Event 1Odometer 904kms 561miles Engine temperature -48.00 °C load value for misfire detection 21.88 % Engine speed 800.00 rpm Lambda integrator group 2 33.59 % Event 2Odometer 904kms 561miles Engine temperature 91.50 °C load value for misfire detection 30.86 % Engine speed 864.00 rpm Lambda integrator group 2 0.00 % 29D1: 29D1 Misfirings, cylinder 5 Error will cause a warning light Error is not currently present Test conditions have been completed Signal or value below threshold Freeze Frame Information Event 1Odometer 904kms 561miles Engine temperature -48.00 °C load value for misfire detection 13.67 % Engine speed 800.00 rpm Lambda integrator group 2 33.59 % Event 2Odometer 904kms 561miles Engine temperature 91.50 °C load value for misfire detection 30.86 % Engine speed 864.00 rpm Lambda integrator group 2 0.00 % Electronic fuel pump (EKP) Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Gearbox control unit Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Gear lever (GWS) Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Car Access System 3 Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Electronic power steering Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Active cruise control for E65 Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Active front steering for E90 Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Dynamic stability control DXC8 Plus - E90 Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Tire pressure control module Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Central information display Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Central control unit (CON) Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Head-up-display (HUD) Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Instrument cluster PL2 E8x and E9x Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Business Radio / User interface (CIC / CCC-BO / M-ASK-BO / RAD2-BO / RAD) Current Fault Codes E1CD: Error will not cause a warning light Error is not currently present Test conditions have been completed Professional Radio / User interface (CIC / CCC-BO / M-ASK-BO / RAD2-BO / RAD) Current Fault Codes E1CD: Error will not cause a warning light Error is not currently present Test conditions have been completed MOST / CAN gateway CD73/MD73 Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Telematic control module Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Trailer module Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Footwell module (FRM)for vehicles up to 09/2006 Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Footwell module (FRM)for vehicles after 09/2006 Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Rain and light sensor Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Heating and Air conditioner (IHR/IHKA) control unit Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Junction box Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Roof function control center Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Airbags Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Park distance control Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Seat module - driver (SMFA) Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Longitudinal dynamic management Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Transmission distribution module Current Fault Codes No Faults Found Convertible top module E93 Current Fault Codes No Faults Found |
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| 04-06-2010, 06:46 PM | #20 |
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He's family try to make it out to be no big deal for his sake. My pop curbed my rim on the 2nd day I had my car. I yelled at him and I felt worse for embarasing him.
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| 04-06-2010, 07:05 PM | #22 |
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wow...all six cylinders Mis-firing.....I think the water may have caused some issues with your O2's causing all the mis-fires, not sure what to make of the VANOS error though.
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