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[johnsonz1122]

which one do u guys think is better in terms of look ,concavity and durability? they are both low pressure casting and avant garde 310 has a 1835lb load rating and sf-71 has 1550lb load rating. does this mean the avant garde 310 is stronger than sf-71? and their price is abt the same. but sf-71 seems out of stock every where so i hv to wait for a while to get the sf-71.

[IMG]http://www.**********s.com/images/Products/Avant%20Garde/127-Hyper_silver.jpg[/IMG] m310

sf-71

[xyaaeg234g234]

A bit different on the styling to me, I prefer the 310's.. I just picked up a set of matte black staggered 19's!

Will be putting them on the 09 328 e90 sedan in a couple weeks, I can let you know what I think of them then! For now I'd say go with the 310's though!

[johnsonz1122]

Originally Posted by prodigymix

A bit different on the styling to me, I prefer the 310's.. I just picked up a set of matte black staggered 19's!

Will be putting them on the 09 328 e90 sedan in a couple weeks, I can let you know what I think of them then! For now I'd say go with the 310's though!

good. how concave is the rear? cuz i hvnt saw any pic of a sedan wif 310's. o kno they are v710 style. but i juz wanna kno if they hv the same concavity as the v710.

[xyaaeg234g234]

Oh I'm sorry I don't have them yet. They're going to be at the UPS warehouse waiting for me when I get back from a trip. I'll take some pics of them next week and show ya.

[OEMconcept]

both wheels are very nice. the main difference between the two of them is that the spokes on the 310's petrude a bit before coming into the hub. Whereas the SF71's spokes go directly toward the hub from the lip.

The Miro 111's have a similar spoke design, but are more concaved than both the 310's and SF71's.


Either road you want to take, send us a PM as we carry all 3 brands and are located in Canada as well so you won't have to pay the expensive duties and brokerage fees involved when buying from the u>s

[ModBargains.com]

In terms of concavity, strength, and weight savings the Avant Garde 310 beats the other wheels by far. PM sent!

[Penguino]

Originally Posted by **********s.com

In terms of concavity, strength, and weight savings the Avant Garde 310 beats the other wheels by far. PM sent!

Statements like this give you absolutely zero credibility.

[johnsonz1122]

does load rating mean the durability and strength of the wheel ? i am a bit confused.

[335i_4D]

Originally Posted by johnsonz1122

does load rating mean the durability and strength of the wheel ? i am a bit confused.

Not automatically.
Only means that they've went up to this weight for testing.

Would mainly means that "it's tested to withstand the weight your car and tires would hold anyway".

[johnsonz1122]

Originally Posted by 335i_4D

Not automatically.
Only means that they've went up to this weight for testing.

Would mainly means that "it's tested to withstand the weight your car and tires would hold anyway".

so is load rating a significant indicator of strength?

[Penguino]

Load Rating means that the wheel is capable of withstanding a maximum load of, in this case, 1835lbs.

Having engineered some of the best and lightest wheels for the 3-series in the past 5 years I can tell you that for a cast wheel of dimensions 19x9.5" to be able to have a JWL/VIA certification of 1835lbs the wheel must weight about 30-32lbs. So if **********s is stating that the wheel is certified to 1835lbs per corner you should expect the wheel to weight over 30+ pounds.

A load rating of anything over 1600lbs on a 3-series is overkill. It means the wheel has not been weight-optimized for its application. The wheel must be engineered to withstand the specific load rating each vehicle requires while being as light as possible.

All the tire sizes used on the 3-series including 235/35/19, 245/45/19, 265/30/19, 275/30/19 etc, are all rated at or less than 1600lbs per corner.

[335i_4D]

Originally Posted by carlitosz

for a cast wheel of dimensions 19x9.5" to be able to have a JWL/VIA certification of 1835lbs the wheel must weight about 30-32lbs...
A load rating of anything over 1600lbs on a 3-series is overkill. It means the wheel has not been weight-optimized for its application. The wheel must be engineered to withstand the specific load rating each vehicle requires while being as light as possible.
All the tire sizes used on the 3-series including 235/35/19, 245/45/19, 265/30/19, 275/30/19 etc, are all rated at or less than 1600lbs per corner.

Exactly what I was thinking.
Yes, the wheel will be stronger, but wwwwaayyyy overkill for a 3-series. And to whitstand that much weight, more material is required, hense the probable weight of the wheel.

I did write the line about 1600 lbs tires, but retracted it simply because didn't verify ALL tire makers.

So...

Even if your wheel can hold more weight, what about the car (chassis, suspension, brakes, ...), the tires, ...

I prefer buying a wheel that can cover 2 main aspects:
- Made for the specs of the car that it'll be installed on.
- Be as strong, yet as light as possible.

If the wheels you select can't match those criteria, I would stay with OEM.
For now (until the urge to get SF-71 in 19" is unbareable), my OEM 162 will do the work just fine.

[ModBargains.com]

Originally Posted by carlitosz

Load Rating means that the wheel is capable of withstanding a maximum load of, in this case, 1835lbs.

Having engineered some of the best and lightest wheels for the 3-series in the past 5 years I can tell you that for a cast wheel of dimensions 19x9.5" to be able to have a JWL/VIA certification of 1835lbs the wheel must weight about 30-32lbs. So if **********s is stating that the wheel is certified to 1835lbs per corner you should expect the wheel to weight over 30+ pounds.

A load rating of anything over 1600lbs on a 3-series is overkill. It means the wheel has not been weight-optimized for its application. The wheel must be engineered to withstand the specific load rating each vehicle requires while being as light as possible.

All the tire sizes used on the 3-series including 235/35/19, 245/45/19, 265/30/19, 275/30/19 etc, are all rated at or less than 1600lbs per corner.

The Avant Garde does have a load rating of 1835lbs per corner and is a great low pressure cast wheel. Before you start misinforming with your claims on the weight of a 19x9.5 wheel being 30+ lbs for that specific load rating I'd say do your homework first.

Here's a video I just made of the weigh in of the 19x9.5 wheel for your reference.

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[mike-y]

Originally Posted by **********s.com

In terms of concavity, strength, and weight savings the Avant Garde 310 beats the other wheels by far. PM sent!

does anyone have the weights of these three wheels in 18" sizes?

[Penguino]

Originally Posted by **********s.com

The Avant Garde does have a load rating of 1835lbs per corner and is a great low pressure cast wheel. Before you start misinforming with your claims on the weight of a 19x9.5 wheel being 30+ lbs for that specific load rating I'd say do your homework first.

Here's a video I just made of the weigh in of the 19x9.5 wheel for your reference.

Never said your wheel weighted in at 30lbs+. I stated a wheel with a 1835lbs loading will weight over 30lbs for the size and manufacturing method described above.

Thank you very much for the video showing the actual weight of the wheel. Props on that. The wheel weight shows 27.35lbs for a 19x9.5ET40, which means a 19x9.5ET30-33 will be slightly heavier but not my much. For a wheel of that design and a weight on 27.35lbs, you are looking at a max load of around 1525lbs - 1625lbs per corner. Maybe slightly more. Most of the tire sizes required for the 3-series range from a load rating of 91-96 which translates to around 1350-1550lbs per corner. So why design a wheel with a "load rating" of 1835lbs?

As I said earlier, for a load of 1835lbs the wheel will have to weight a bit more than that. Since you posted evidence of the weight then this proves the load rating is too high for that weight. Here is a picture of a 19x9.5ET35 SF-71 rated at 1600lbs on a scale:



Please feel free to send a M310 wheel sample to me, I`ll send it to STL Labs for VIA/JWL testing for a rating of 1835lbs per corner. I`ll do this all at my expense.

I designed and engineered the VS7, VS8, CS7 and the SF-71. I`m the engineer behind the designs so I know what I`m talking about.

[335i_4D]

Originally Posted by carlitosz

I designed and engineered the VS7, VS8, CS7 and the SF-71. I`m the engineer behind the designs so I know what I`m talking about.

Seems I have a new friend ...

Seriously, I for one really the SF-71.
If they would make them in Hypersilver...

Oups ... my wife's approaching !

[uncle ben]

My vote is for the SF-71, but i dont think the 310 is abad looking wheel, both good choices. Just put on my sf-71's a few weeks ago and absolutely love them. I had trouble deciding between the SF-71 and VMR VB3, so I ordered both. One from **********s, and the other from OEM concept. Both people very good to deal with.

[335i_4D]

Originally Posted by uncle ben

... Just put on my sf-71's a few weeks ago and absolutely love them ...

Nice selection, but ...

Originally Posted by uncle ben

I had trouble deciding between the SF-71 and VMR VB3, so I ordered both.

WOW, what a hefty way to settle things !
So ... guess we'll see a post for FS: New VMR VB3 ?

Originally Posted by uncle ben

...One from **********s ...

Have you got those shipped via UPS ?
If so, did they get you with custom fees, handling fees, invented fees ???
Should order my brakes this week, and they ship via UPS

Sorry, just a little .

[uncle ben]

...

Originally Posted by 335i_4D

Nice selection, but ...






WOW, what a hefty way to settle things !
So ... guess we'll see a post for FS: New VMR VB3 ?





Have you got those shipped via UPS ?
If so, did they get you with custom fees, handling fees, invented fees ???
Should order my brakes this week, and they ship via UPS


Sorry, just a little .

they were in the FS section, but i sold them locally

DB scherecker, so low duty/fees $45 for wheels

[CJ_LO]

anyone got pics of gunmetal sf-71 on AW?

[335i_4D]

Originally Posted by uncle ben

So ... that's how my car's going to look like.
I this forum, it's like I can see in the future ...

Very nice ride ... JB, SGM, SB ?

BTW ... what's

Originally Posted by uncle ben

DB scherecker, so low duty/fees $45 for wheels

?

[M II]

Originally Posted by johnsonz1122

does load rating mean the durability and strength of the wheel ? i am a bit confused.

While there are DOT standards for wheels that apply to the original automobile manufacturers, and each manufacturer has its own standards in addition, there are none for the aftermarket. There are some industry norms, and the better aftermarket wheel manufacturers follow them, or have some variation they prefer. Kinesis, for example, puts its wheels through fatigue cycle tests twice, rather than just once.

Originally Posted by carlitosz

Load Rating means that the wheel is capable of withstanding a maximum load of, in this case, 1835lbs.

Having engineered some of the best and lightest wheels for the 3-series in the past 5 years I can tell you that for a cast wheel of dimensions 19x9.5" to be able to have a JWL/VIA certification of 1835lbs the wheel must weight about 30-32lbs. So if **********s is stating that the wheel is certified to 1835lbs per corner you should expect the wheel to weight over 30+ pounds.

A load rating of anything over 1600lbs on a 3-series is overkill. It means the wheel has not been weight-optimized for its application. The wheel must be engineered to withstand the specific load rating each vehicle requires while being as light as possible.

All the tire sizes used on the 3-series including 235/35/19, 245/45/19, 265/30/19, 275/30/19 etc, are all rated at or less than 1600lbs per corner.

The estimations on the weight were a bit off. I don't think it'll be that easy to look at a wheel, look at its load rating, and determine the weight of the wheel.

Some of our flow formed wheel offerings have very high load ratings, but weigh less than these and they're still cast wheels.