petition against RFTs

JoeyBananaz18 · 06-01-2010, 12:25 AM

earlier today i made a thread about how BMW should offer a no cost option to have regular tire on BMWs, instead of us having to upgrade the tires. so i made this petition in hopes that we could get enough signatures and then forward it to BMW and see what can be done.

Together we can lol.

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/wehaterfts/

Alan@PYSpeed.com[retired] · 06-01-2010, 12:31 AM

down with run flats!!

JoeyBananaz18 · 06-01-2010, 12:51 AM

i know it sounds nuts, but forums like this are the perfect place for the real BMW enthusiast to get heard.

e92htx · 06-01-2010, 01:31 AM

I love my RFTs...Why the hate? Besides the noisiness they're great tires. But for the price I rather get something else.

OlivaresAnthony · 06-01-2010, 02:00 AM

signed

sbce90 · 06-01-2010, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e92htx

I love my RFTs...Why the hate? Besides the noisiness they're great tires. But for the price I rather get something else.

Personally i think the idea behind runflats is pretty good. Like.. it is safer, takes away the need for a spare and you can keep driving. The problem is that the tyres are still in early stages so to speak, give it a few more years and after some more R&D im sure RFTs will be better and fingers crossed the price may come down..

instead of having non-rft as an nco, maybe they should have non-rft + some type of spare / puncture kit standard and make the RFTs as a cost option. I wonder how many people would take it up then...

e92htx · 06-01-2010, 10:44 AM

I rather have crappy performance tires that will save my ass than badass performance tires that will probably get me killed if they popped on the freeway.

Just heard a tragic story of a woman I use to talk to driving to Dallas, TX over the weekend and her and 3 family members died in a tire related car accident.

JoeyBananaz18 · 06-01-2010, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e92htx

I love my RFTs...Why the hate? Besides the noisiness they're great tires. But for the price I rather get something else.

its not that i think they are a bad idea to have on a car. they definitely serve a purpose. thats why i made sure i highlighted their uses.
but i know that the average joe BMW driver is driving that car as a status symbol, and not as a BMW enthusiast. and when it comes to numbers BMW is going to do what they can for the masses, not the 1-5% of BMW drivers that bleed alpine white. they'll definitely want to keep RFT as an option for the piece of mind.
but lately BMW has this mentality to make a car for everyone. why not offer a type of tire for everyone? im not totally bashing them, but it would be nice if non-RFTs were an option.

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Originally Posted by SBC

instead of having non-rft as an nco, maybe they should have non-rft + some type of spare / puncture kit standard and make the RFTs as a cost option. I wonder how many people would take it up then...

that could work too.

dcorn · 06-01-2010, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e92htx

I love my RFTs...Why the hate? Besides the noisiness they're great tires. But for the price I rather get something else.

Loved mine too, until I hit a pothole this weekend and got a bubble in the sidewall of one... Happened to my mom twice in her E90.

jaguar36 · 06-01-2010, 01:13 PM

I could go either way on the RFTs. Its nice to never ahve to worry about getting a flat in a bad area, or what not, and they seem to handle fine to me.

I'm very much against a full size spare though. It pissed me off to no end to see a heavy, $600 full size alloy taking up a boat load of space in the trunk of my E46.

MR_X · 06-01-2010, 03:10 PM

I like RFT just because it gives me a sense of security. If my wife has to drive the car at night. Instead of her pulling over in the side of the freeway or the road to change a tire and running the risk of being hit, mugged, etc. she can just drive it some where it is safe.

David1 · 06-01-2010, 03:23 PM

I think we just need a choice of what run flat is on the car. Mine came with the Pilot sport ZP and it's an awsome tire. My other car had the RE050. Also, if you hit a hole that bubbles the sidewall on a runflat, chances are if it was a regular tire, it would be flat so it would need to be replaced anyways.

cb1111 · 06-01-2010, 03:42 PM

For a manufacturer it isn't that easy. They can't just toss on a set of "normal" tires and be done with it.

The car was designed for the use of runflats, so the manufacturer would have to re-evaluate spring rates and suspension tuning. In addition, they'd have to redo many of the crashworthiness testing.

This "petion" is, sadly, a waste of time.

JoeyBananaz18 · 06-01-2010, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cb1111

For a manufacturer it isn't that easy. They can't just toss on a set of "normal" tires and be done with it.

The car was designed for the use of runflats, so the manufacturer would have to re-evaluate spring rates and suspension tuning. In addition, they'd have to redo many of the crashworthiness testing.
This "petion" is, sadly, a waste of time.

ok. BMW, get your asses back on the nurburgring and find a set of traditional tires that work with the 3-series. this petition is only a waste of time if you are content with your run flats. its like saying "im not going to vote for president, because im only one person and can't make a difference." if enough people were to voice their opinion and be loud enough on here, instead of "check out my matte black grills and CF trim", then shit would get done, and there wouldnt be a single negative thread on here about our cars. i wasnt going to bring this up, but what stemmed all this was the fact that this past weekend i went for a ride in my friends new S4- 19s wrapped in pirellis. it felt like a rolls royce compared to my 18s wrapped in brigestones.

SocalMike · 06-01-2010, 11:55 PM

nuf said

TimJ · 06-02-2010, 11:58 AM

Signed... even though I like the RFT's for safety reasons (I have 3 kids after all). I do agree that owners that don't like them should have the option for non-RFT's. BTW, "their car who do not run flat tires" doesn't make sense in the petition.

JoeyBananaz18 · 06-03-2010, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TimJ

Signed... even though I like the RFT's for safety reasons (I have 3 kids after all). I do agree that owners that don't like them should have the option for non-RFT's. BTW, "their car who do not run flat tires" doesn't make sense in the petition.

typo. should read:

.....their car who do not WANT run flat tires......

see what happens when you type with anger? lol

John_01 · 06-03-2010, 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cb1111

The car was designed for the use of runflats, so the manufacturer would have to re-evaluate spring rates and suspension tuning. In addition, they'd have to redo many of the crashworthiness testing.

This "petion" is, sadly, a waste of time.

Ok, so how come the standard tyres in the European market for the F10 5 series are 17" conventional tyres? Run-flats are optional. It dosen't seem so difficult to do when it suits BMW.

06-01-2010, 12:25 AM	#1
JoeyBananaz18 Brigadier General 400 Rep 4,084 Posts Drives: metrocard Join Date: May 2009 Location: Whitestone, NY iTrader: (3)	petition against RFTs earlier today i made a thread about how BMW should offer a no cost option to have regular tire on BMWs, instead of us having to upgrade the tires. so i made this petition in hopes that we could get enough signatures and then forward it to BMW and see what can be done. Together we can lol. http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/wehaterfts/ __________________ 7/18/09- I pick up my baby- 2009 E92 335i Xdrive, Space Gray over Coral Red. Premium Pkg, Cold Weather Pkg, M-Sport Pkg, 193Ms, Gloss Black grills, Custom Gloss Black Mirrors, Performance shift and E-brake boot, M3 spoiler, Euro fog switch, gloss black interior tim, Coco-Mats (red/black), H&R coilovers, 19'' Alufelgen SF-71s......
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Alan@PYSpeed.com[retired] Lieutenant 17 Rep 499 Posts Drives: E90 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tri-State iTrader: (0)	down with run flats!! __________________ *New Customer? Take $10 off on us with Code: C589B63M Web: www.PYSpeed.com (Facebook \| Twitter) Aim: Mai6474 Wheels \| Performance \| Suspension \| Exterior \| Lighting \| Carbon Fiber Wrap
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JoeyBananaz18 Brigadier General 400 Rep 4,084 Posts Drives: metrocard Join Date: May 2009 Location: Whitestone, NY iTrader: (3)	i know it sounds nuts, but forums like this are the perfect place for the real BMW enthusiast to get heard. __________________ 7/18/09- I pick up my baby- 2009 E92 335i Xdrive, Space Gray over Coral Red. Premium Pkg, Cold Weather Pkg, M-Sport Pkg, 193Ms, Gloss Black grills, Custom Gloss Black Mirrors, Performance shift and E-brake boot, M3 spoiler, Euro fog switch, gloss black interior tim, Coco-Mats (red/black), H&R coilovers, 19'' Alufelgen SF-71s......
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e92htx Enlisted Member 0 Rep 38 Posts Drives: 07 BMW 335i Coupe Space Gray Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (0)	I love my RFTs...Why the hate? Besides the noisiness they're great tires. But for the price I rather get something else.
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e92htx Enlisted Member 0 Rep 38 Posts Drives: 07 BMW 335i Coupe Space Gray Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Houston, TX iTrader: (0)	I rather have crappy performance tires that will save my ass than badass performance tires that will probably get me killed if they popped on the freeway. Just heard a tragic story of a woman I use to talk to driving to Dallas, TX over the weekend and her and 3 family members died in a tire related car accident.
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jaguar36 Second Lieutenant 8 Rep 265 Posts Drives: 2010 E92 335i Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ iTrader: (0)	I could go either way on the RFTs. Its nice to never ahve to worry about getting a flat in a bad area, or what not, and they seem to handle fine to me. I'm very much against a full size spare though. It pissed me off to no end to see a heavy, $600 full size alloy taking up a boat load of space in the trunk of my E46.
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MR_X Old guy 308 Rep 265 Posts Drives: tricycle Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Austin, Tx iTrader: (0)	I like RFT just because it gives me a sense of security. If my wife has to drive the car at night. Instead of her pulling over in the side of the freeway or the road to change a tire and running the risk of being hit, mugged, etc. she can just drive it some where it is safe.
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David1 Brigadier General 945 Rep 4,035 Posts Drives: 09 E92 09 X5 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Columbus, OH iTrader: (1)	I think we just need a choice of what run flat is on the car. Mine came with the Pilot sport ZP and it's an awsome tire. My other car had the RE050. Also, if you hit a hole that bubbles the sidewall on a runflat, chances are if it was a regular tire, it would be flat so it would need to be replaced anyways. __________________ 2021 M2 Comp Sunset Orange \|Black with orange Stitching Dakota Leather\|Executive Pkg\|DCT
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cb1111 I ask the questions you're afraid to ask. 44 Rep 2,489 Posts Drives: 335xi Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: DC iTrader: (2)	For a manufacturer it isn't that easy. They can't just toss on a set of "normal" tires and be done with it. The car was designed for the use of runflats, so the manufacturer would have to re-evaluate spring rates and suspension tuning. In addition, they'd have to redo many of the crashworthiness testing. This "petion" is, sadly, a waste of time.
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SocalMike Private 1 Rep 83 Posts Drives: 330 6spd/spts pbx/af scooped Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: San Juan Capistrano CA iTrader: (1)	down with dumb flats nuf said
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