RR vs AR DP's

iwanna335 · 06-15-2010, 08:16 AM

Which down pipe is best....install, fitment, most gains? RR web site doesn't work worth a damn and the AR site shows a dyno graph of after install so no baseline to compare to. Would either be ok to buy second hand or should I only consider them new?
Thanks

Former_Boosted_IS · 06-15-2010, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by iwanna335

Which down pipe is best....install, fitment, most gains? RR web site doesn't work worth a damn and the AR site shows a dyno graph of after install so no baseline to compare to. Would either be ok to buy second hand or should I only consider them new?
Thanks

Is Riss still in business?

Kevin@AKMotorwerk · 06-15-2010, 08:20 AM

ar design hands down, used, new, its doesnt matter, they are bullet proof and always a perfect fitment!

cn555ic · 06-15-2010, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

Is Riss still in business?

Chapter 11....lol

iwanna335 · 06-15-2010, 09:06 AM

The reason I asked about Riss is there are some floating around the used market and they are cheaper than the AR.

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 06-15-2010, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by iwanna335

The reason I asked about Riss is there are some floating around the used market and they are cheaper than the AR.

Fit, quality aside which ar design has in the bag the ar design pipes are 3" while the RR pipes are only 2.5". That alone is why the ar pipes are the way to go.

Mike

iwanna335 · 06-15-2010, 09:57 AM

Thanks for the input Mike....

Kevin@AKMotorwerk · 06-15-2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Fit, quality aside which ar design has in the bag the ar design pipes are 3" while the RR pipes are only 2.5". That alone is why the ar pipes are the way to go.

Mike

riss had a 3" design dp, but fitment wasnt spot on, and they dont hold up nearly as well as AR.

plus AR has a higher resale value!!

Craig@SupremePower · 06-15-2010, 10:01 AM

AR Design FTMFW!

AlpineG05 · 06-15-2010, 12:17 PM

AR no doubt...

Texox · 06-15-2010, 12:20 PM

Agreed. Everything I have read seems to suggest AR are the best downpipes... although, I have no first hand knowledge as I have not bought or installed DP's yet. But, I plan on getting AR's when I am ready to buy!

tom @ eas · 06-15-2010, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

Is Riss still in business?

No, their building is empty.

david @ eas · 06-15-2010, 01:09 PM

Might as well add Macht Schnell to the list. We've installed these downpipes with ease and they also come at a great price... Here's a picture of them:

ar design · 06-15-2010, 01:44 PM

Thanks guys

M II · 06-15-2010, 01:51 PM

AR DESIGN FTW! Great quality pieces with spot-on fitment.

caliguy562 · 06-15-2010, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jurrian @ eas

Might as well add Macht Schnell to the list. We've installed these downpipes with ease and they also come at a great price... Here's a picture of them:

+1 Had these installed on my car at their shop on the 7th and couldn't be any happier.

SV Concepts III · 06-15-2010, 04:08 PM

AR is known for fit, finish and quality- we carry them and they come highly recommended.

Jonny550 · 06-15-2010, 05:43 PM

I donno about those brands but i know my 2.5" raceland downpipes fit like a charm %100 fitment with 25 rwhp gains @15 psi and their only $210 shipped.

M II · 06-15-2010, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon335iFL

I donno about those brands but i know my 2.5" raceland downpipes fit like a charm %100 fitment with 25 rwhp gains @15 psi and their only $210 shipped.

How are the welds?

I had a Raceland header on my Miata and it didn't fare too well after a few months.

Sneeze · 06-15-2010, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon335iFL

I donno about those brands but i know my 2.5" raceland downpipes fit like a charm %100 fitment with 25 rwhp gains @15 psi and their only $210 shipped.

terry dynoed a customer car with these downpipe over 500whp.

StartupJunkie · 06-15-2010, 06:50 PM

I'm pretty happy with the AR design downpipes i've got ... they seem to perform well for me.

My installer, SonicMotorsports (mountain view, CA), is vendor agnostic and will install what you want. They commented on how nice the fitment was when comparing to other vendors, which always had to be "massaged" into place.

Junk

Jonny550 · 06-15-2010, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by **********s II

How are the welds?

I had a Raceland header on my Miata and it didn't fare too well after a few months.

I could care less about the welds to be honest the car is a lease anyways And the downpipes have held up 4 months worth of fluxuating weather, 2 months in 90 degree florida weather 1 month of 20 degree chicago weather and 1 month of 80 degree chicago weather.

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